Nerf Gravi Hole (round 2)

31 minutes ago, ORCA1911 said:

I still do guides and tutorials for those who are interested and like a challenge, even an unfair one. If you know something, leave it as a form of legacy for the next bunch of people that will discuss the development of this game. It’s completely natural to not have fun or to find something boring or simply bad and moving on to something else, something better i presume. I left WoW, CoD, LoL, EVE when they ceased to be fun to play anymore, there’s not much reason to be angry about it unless u spent a LOT of money, i cant help you in that sense.

Tbf in 3 years I’ve spent more than 200€ but I’m not salty about that, I’ve spent that amount being happy about what I’ve got, and when I was able to give and hand I was always there (still are). I’m salty about the fact this game went trough a bunch of utterly bad decisions that screwed up it’s soul multiple times (and in the process we lost valuable guys, which in the end is the real reason I’m mad :expressionless: ).
But more than that, I’m against people that are here to say: adapt or dye,and become famous just 'cause they said such a bs and no one banned them, and then after a while they left.
Meanwhile who was really the core of this game, just left… 

35 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:

Don’t give yourself so much importance, Papi. You are one of those coming and going.
And no, I’m not your padawan. My masters where way betters and more nice/friendly/naive/less attention wh*res and skillfull than you (Yeahalex, Zee, Kiryl, JP where are you? :/).

Woah woah woah woah woah did you just used less attention wh0r3s and JP in the same sentence? His like a queen of them around here.

6 minutes ago, xKostyan said:

Woah woah woah woah woah did you just used less attention wh0r3s and JP in the same sentence? His like a queen of them around here.

JP was one hell of a good guy and a good pilot. I don’t give a f*ck if you are not as skillfull as Taka but you are a cutie pie and an attention “something” like JP. 
It’s Jp damn’it, not Arctic.

This is just star conflict, a game, no need to argue about it like this. We are derailing millans thread btw.

3 minutes ago, ORCA1911 said:

This is just star conflict, a game, no need to argue about it like this. We are derailing millans thread btw.

Friendships were made trough this game, friendships were gone 'cause of it. But you’re right, we are OT.
Still, Mill will not be mad about the fact we gave him some attention to this thread ![:p](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/004.png “:p”)

40 minutes ago, RennieAshII said:

Did I accidentally leave a black hole somewhere? It seems everyone is congregated together and they are #not pleased# :-h

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14 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:

JP was one hell of a good guy and a good pilot. I don’t give a f*ck if you are not as skillfull as Taka but you are a cutie pie and an attention “something” like JP. 
It’s Jp damn’it, not Arctic.

JP is a cheerful guy, that is it, even n0ob like ArcTic was better than JP, and on attention demand scale Uhmari probably the only one contesting the 1st place with JP.

Regardless off that, feel free to mention how plenty of those “core” players left due to absolutely unrelated to the game reason, like Zee, Kyril, Tealc and many many others, in fact most of NASA old school left specificaly dure to the time and personal reason, quite a few of them were exactly that - core of the english player base.

As well you are free to mention plenthora of core players that left after their favorite op imbas were toned down to acceptable levels, and they now just leave they made a huge deal out of it like end of the world and stuff, some of them even still try hard to discredit the project influencing people that would possibly join and stay, yet developing a negative veiw even befor downloading the client.

Of and feel free to mention all the players that were perfectly fine with the game yet they got to hang out to much with those negative-poisoneus haters that would hate on everything 24/7 for reason and no reasons at all.

Ofcourse plenty of pwleople left because game has changed but plenty of people came and staied.

There is a saying: People hate and leave the game for what it is not, people come and stay for what it is.

1 hour ago, xKostyan said:

JP is a cheerful guy, that is it, even n0ob like ArcTic was better than JP, and on attention demand scale Uhmari probably the only one contesting the 1st place with JP.

Regardless off that, feel free to mention how plenty of those “core” players left due to absolutely unrelated to the game reason, like Zee, Kyril, Tealc and many many others, in fact most of NASA old school left specificaly dure to the time and personal reason, quite a few of them were exactly that - core of the english player base.

As well you are free to mention plenthora of core players that left after their favorite op imbas were toned down to acceptable levels, and they now just leave they made a huge deal out of it like end of the world and stuff, some of them even still try hard to discredit the project influencing people that would possibly join and stay, yet developing a negative veiw even befor downloading the client.

Of and feel free to mention all the players that were perfectly fine with the game yet they got to hang out to much with those negative-poisoneus haters that would hate on everything 24/7 for reason and no reasons at all.

Ofcourse plenty of pwleople left because game has changed but plenty of people came and staied.

There is a saying: People hate and leave the game for what it is not, people come and stay for what it is.

I’ve just marked some names, not of all the old “core” players. Tells me that Yeahalex left 'cause he was only a 'ceptor player and I will show you are wrong since he multiple times stated 'ceptors were op and they need to be nerfed. Or tell me about Zee or Kyril… Actually one of the reason I’ve joined Owl corporation back in time was I thought I wasn’t good enough to join NASA where all those guys where playing (included Tillo, then I met him in open space… he didn’t liked it, ok this one is made only to make him mad).
 
I’m not saying they were perfect (hell no, also I’m a total mess. I’m not idealizing old times). But they where for me what this game was worth of. Those guys didn’t left for personal reasons… don’t be so harsh about it.

While instead I saw really bad unskilled players defending all the bad decision, granting a good reputation for a while and then leave in disgrace or just in shame… should I need to make some names? Kat…? Mhh no ok ok let’s move on…

The truth is: every times we have lost a Terrorblade, we “gained” two Arctic that after a while left too (well tbh I believe he is still playing now with the nick: fapfap…). But until they left, they trowed to people who were pillars of eng community a bunch of s****. We didn’t defended them enough.
And we are still here doing the same. To be honest, there are and there were people way better than Mill or me, but instead of discussing with them a lot of crappy guys sayd: git good, adapt… We are leaving this game which was an unrefined jewel in the hand of “radix” players 'cause: every time “we” do that, we loose a good player in exchange of a bad one.

I’m starting to feel like the old indian guy from the simpsons…  PZ2yieh9DvoQZZlMGkeqs2Oj49NNBc5KrZEAOaUX

“do yourself a favor, don’t turn around (and look at all those destroyer players whining about unkillable ceptors…)”

Arctic was insufferable as a person, but actually a good player. And he improved constantly, despite your constant bickering. Actually one player that really embodied “Git gud”.

Also, many Corps in the old days were arrogant, overly selective and did not accept new guys easily, therefore fully deserving their fate.  So Spongejohn, now you are crying about spilled coffee when you yourself dropped the cup. My compassino is limited.

 

22 minutes ago, theNoob said:

Arctic was insufferable as a person, but actually a good player. And he improved constantly, despite your constant bickering. Actually one player that really embodied “Git gud”.

Also, many Corps in the old days were arrogant, overly selective and did not accept new guys easily, therefore fully deserving their fate.  So Spongejohn, now you are crying about spilled coffee when you yourself dropped the cup. My compassino is limited.

 

I even told to Arctic that despite the fact he was a little church freak he wasn’t that bad as player, even if he was a guy who constantly tried to stole players from other corps, well that’s another story. 

I have devoted my free times to this game and to my old corps until I’ve could, I’ve helped many guys getting better and showed them how to improve as long I could, I’ve fought against farmers and did the right thing until I’ve could. I’ve done enough, and for sure I don’t need compassion from whoever. 
Now for me it’s only time to pew pew and collect as much as I can. Whoever contradicts me, can go find himself his little spot in this game 'cause he is not entitled to do something else. I don’t care about such bs, as long I don’t look back in anger… and tonight I did it.

My opinion counts. And I don’t need to prove to you or anyone else why.

Corps were arrogant 'cause back then being called “skilled” meant something. Even WPK pr*ks were right to be arrogant. 

I miss WPK pr*cks  ![:(](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/003j.png “:(”)  I also miss the old NASA where when I would PM one of them they would actually reply ![:(](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/003j.png “:(”) And I miss my corpmates in OWL that are all playing other games ![:(](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/003j.png “:(”) 

Spongey you made me sad now.

This is a game, and it is a business, not your personal club of interests, business that has to be run and maintained, as much as you hate certain decisions that may or may not make people leave, if you look at the game now as a whole and what it was 3 years ago, there is a huge difference and one has to be completely ignorant idiot to say that as a business or as an entertainment game doing worse than back then. People leave, games change, things change welcome to life.

59 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:

While instead I saw really bad unskilled players defending all the bad decision, granting a good reputation for a while and then leave in disgrace or just in shame… should I need to make some names? Kat…? Mhh no ok ok let’s move on…

Katovskiy, don’t have to dot-out anything, you can call me the last Ace in the game it is not going to change the fact that plenty of people left due to not game change related reasons, Zee and Kyril were actually those that did leave for personal reasons, I could pull their posts from our archives about that, but I see no reason in doing that. If you trying to analyse why population is leaving, you must take into account all the factors, not just what suits your side of the story.

Game is changing it started as a hard core tactical shooter, it evolved in enormous arcade chaotic shooter, and now it is slowly evolving into something in between. Dessies are here to stay, there is still work to be done about them and there are still missing links in the game that would compensate for their existence. Star Conflict is not the project that is driven by players, that much should be obvious to anyone with average IQ, it is driven by Developers and their Management, players can influence certain decisions one way or another, but not the direction of the game.

 

Ehy dude, Kat wasn’t you. Try “nuc” instead, be a little less egocentric once in a while eh?

I will just reply to the first part of your message since you misunderstood and I’m too kind to not forgive that.

Games revolve around community, you kill the community, you kill the game. That’s it, no personal kindergarden involved. I know that it’s not that easy to understand how free world works, but it’s time to adapt. The only other game revolving around soviet russia mentallity (war thunder) is still alive just 'cause war will never become old fashion. But that’s it, you kill the community, you kill the game. My only interest is this, not my own personal little circle of friends. And it’s not easy to say, for me since you helped a lot with guides and such, but you activelly partecipated in the destroying process.

I know gizmo was an annoying whiner,  but you know how many people was around the hungarian corp runned by him? Well that community after he left (and you know well how and why he left, you could have been more friendly, ask your hounds to chill a bit against him, do some politician stuffs but no eh… Personal fame come first) just disapperead, the whole entirely hungarian community disapperead… Money your devs will never see again. And  you keep saying I’m the one forgetting this is a business.

Another exemple? Grande18,  behind him there is the entire italian community, he is skilled and for the second time he is in the final league tournament, and guess what, his topics are still marked as bs materials… Another community dropping, hurra! Who cares! It’s just sponge’s mental mast… Meanwhile money are going.

Another exemple? The  laughing stocks frogs, they do believe open space is something that matter, guess what, who care about those Aces! Let them leave.

See, I’m bad at politics since i drag my feelings way too much in. You are just bad in business, since you don’t realize that if you destroy a community by acting as an arrogant pr… You destroy the playerbase. 

Mmuricans are dumb, but they learnt this lesson long ago. 

Oh yeah, they can still grab money with the old “put something new and op in game behind a paywall”, profit until it last… But the shame that they are basically killing the only decent multyplayer 3d space shooter game in the whole world for the sake of easy money, will mark them forever. Ask around, internet is full of people thinking f2play is the cancer of gaming on line. Here they embraced the worst side of it, instead of trying somethin more honest and future proof… Once again, who is looking at the market and who is just blinded by personal fame in one of the smallest community mp ever (despite the fact the core game play is awesome)?

Yeah the game is changin, getting more arcade, like if dota or counterstrike can be called arcade (sarcasm). A game to be recognized as an esport needs a strong gameplay and a strong community, sc have “just” the gameplay, the monetizing strategy and the constant killing of the community is keeping it in a small circle of people.

btw the whole point is, mill is right. Despite newbies thinking the opposite, despite also mill is a nuuuub ( <3 ) stop jumping at guys troath when they are vets with ideas… Except wolfkhan, against him everything is legit ( jockin… Maybe :p)

 

And here i was thinking hard who is Kat is, the only Kat i knew was Katovskiy, cause you know Nuc is actually Ketrivaa or something of that sort, but definitely Ket.

You are giving me too much credit on ruining the community, thank you though. Groups of people come and go, that is a natural process but groups of people can not be formed if there is no flow of new players, and in like any other game forum is not a representation of the game, even when apparently we had a “community” forum people weren’t that much bigger, even if you assume it was double in size - we have like 20 peoples now, it was like 40 back then, so yeah. 

Frogs - for past years devs keep saying there is work done towards open space, you have to realise how ambitious star conflict as a project is, how it was literally started 2-3 people, how much of the content there is, and still to come while done by a such small team. 

“The game is dying, devs are killing the game and just milking last drops of cash they could” - this is the dumbest argument that comes around every other week for past 3 years, here/steam/reddit/facebook/w.e., siriusly. 

49 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:

But that’s it, you kill the community, you kill the game.

Sponged1ck, if you really look at it most of the other games have some of the most toxic communities out there. My example is League of Legends. Bunch of degenerates if you ask me - I would never touch them even with a ten foot spear. And yet they have a pretty prolific (yet shxtty) Esports community.

I think it’s because instead of having community it’s competitiveness. Which I don’t see a lot in the average pugmatch anymore in this game - it’s mostly just Ace engis crowding around and thinking they can run at the enemy team going BANZAI.

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And you wonder why people ragequit.

PS Are you drunk? And chill with Papi man, it’s getting a little too personal here.

As for this thread as a whole. Millan, I <3 u and shxt but this is ridiculous bro. I get that you’re unhappy with Black Holes but spamming threads like this is literally the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. Aren’t we all grownups here, save for a few?

You gotta chill out or else no one will take your complaints siriusly. I accidentally sold my Spatial Scanner and Extended Hull yesterday (and believe me I’m PISSED) but I’m not throwing a fit on these forums, am I?

14 minutes ago, Mecronmancer said:

Sponged1ck, if you really look at it most of the other games have some of the most toxic communities out there. My example is League of Legends. Bunch of degenerates if you ask me - I would never touch them even with a ten foot spear. And yet they have a pretty prolific (yet shxtty) Esports community.

I think it’s because instead of having community it’s competitiveness. Which I don’t see a lot in the average pugmatch anymore in this game - it’s mostly just Ace engis crowding around and thinking they can run at the enemy team going BANZAI.

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And you wonder why people ragequit.

PS Are you drunk? And chill with Papi man, it’s getting a little too personal here.

Stop assuming I’m drunk or high or w\e guys. This is becoming annoying, it started as a joke but it’s time to end this. I’m just reckless.

I have problems with what papi represents, and I’ve said the exact same stuffs to people that acted like him long before he even installed the game.

I know other community with esports involved are deeply toxic, but they also have tons of devoted players who made translations, managed little sub community and wikies. What we have here instead? Tbh mecron also you have actively  partecipated in such behave. If something is going in the wrong direction: it should be discussed. Many times I’ve exposed myself on many topics (some were stupid, some were legit, no one is perfect), still I see a way too much toxic envoirment where nabs are entitled to speaks and to gain too much credit. This is not normal, and they should be treathed with something different than the old: git gud.

This game, gameplay wise have nothing to envy to the others esports out there. Still this is such a small community. Can we once and for all ask ourselve why?

34 minutes ago, xKostyan said:

And here i was thinking hard who is Kat is, the only Kat i knew was Katovskiy, cause you know Nuc is actually Ketrivaa or something of that sort, but definitely Ket.

You are giving me too much credit on ruining the community, thank you though. Groups of people come and go, that is a natural process but groups of people can not be formed if there is no flow of new players, and in like any other game forum is not a representation of the game, even when apparently we had a “community” forum people weren’t that much bigger, even if you assume it was double in size - we have like 20 peoples now, it was like 40 back then, so yeah. 

Frogs - for past years devs keep saying there is work done towards open space, you have to realise how ambitious star conflict as a project is, how it was literally started 2-3 people, how much of the content there is, and still to come while done by a such small team. 

“The game is dying, devs are killing the game and just milking last drops of cash they could” - this is the dumbest argument that comes around every other week for past 3 years, here/steam/reddit/facebook/w.e., siriusly. 

Apart the fact that I do misspelled kat ket ok, all the rest is jusf your opinion. Tons of stuffs could have been done to grab way more people than it have right now. And no, revolving it to an ultra arcade or the bad monetization strategy they have adopted are not the righ answer. One of the most played game out there is cs:go try to define that arcade or moneygrabber or “casual” and you will be treated as a fool. Sc is a lost opportunity, it have a strong gameplay but it lacks in everything else, it’s a shame. The market is still waiting for something like this, a strong 3d space shoother, and we are still here circleje**n’ about new destroyers that needs always new paying materials (yeah yeah i know, the missions…)

45 minutes ago, Mecronmancer said:

As for this thread as a whole. Millan, I <3 u and shxt but this is ridiculous bro. I get that you’re unhappy with Black Holes but spamming threads like this is literally the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. Aren’t we all grownups here, save for a few?

You gotta chill out or else no one will take your complaints siriusly. I accidentally sold my Spatial Scanner and Extended Hull yesterday (and believe me I’m PISSED) but I’m not throwing a fit on these forums, am I?

Throwing a fit? My last suggestion got no official answer, when other suggestion threads got answers. I think I’m in my right here.

I’ve tried the chill option, hoping things would get fixed. It’s been months now and I’m still unable to enjoy playing for more than an hour because of dessies.

 

Damn you, you made me reply when I said I wouldn’t XD

2 hours ago, Spongejohn said:

Apart the fact that I do misspelled kat ket ok, all the rest is jusf your opinion. Tons of stuffs could have been done to grab way more people than it have right now. And no, revolving it to an ultra arcade or the bad monetization strategy they have adopted are not the righ answer. One of the most played game out there is cs:go try to define that arcade or moneygrabber or “casual” and you will be treated as a fool. Sc is a lost opportunity, it have a strong gameplay but it lacks in everything else, it’s a shame. The market is still waiting for something like this, a strong 3d space shoother, and we are still here circleje**n’ about new destroyers that needs always new paying materials (yeah yeah i know, the missions…)

Market is waiting for games like Star Citizen or in Elite Dangerous, majority or Sci-fi lovers needs space, simulation, not the hard core 3d FPS that we have, games like Wingman something something angel? Elite Dangerous Arena, Another one that came out like a year ago that was arena based hard core shooter with nice graphics, Dreadnought all failed to gain any interest in english speaking player base, yet here is Star Conflict pumping out stuff out of development and been around for 4-5 years (with close alfa times), with no signs to go down in near future. 

You do realise that you ranting here about “bad decisions”, “wrong moves”, “failed content” are all your personal opinion too right? Yeah some things failed, others were cool but people are to conservative to change, so they just whined for a while, that is a normal process, and so far, again game doing much better than 3 years ago, so devs probably doing something right for their project