Star Conflict OBT v0.7.10

Mercenary Center Patch Discussion
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*fixed*

I try to be constructive. I am part of the team that is completely rewriting the wiki to help new players understand the game. I answer to questions of players directly by /w in the chat. I always give advice to players in the game i play. I took some other initiative to help improve things around. An di’m doing other time consuming things to help around, unpaid.

 

So i don’t think i have to prove to you i’m not concerned by my little self.

 

I don’t care about the new grind system, yeah, because it’s past me. So why should i care about new players ? Because i want this game to be good. And i take some time to think, and i don’t react on a first impression.

 

On the other hand, we saw today a vast majority of consumers used to have everything served freely, not giving a chance to an evolution of a game that is still in beta. And the very same people that accuse the dev of a game they didn’t pay for the most part of not taking their interest in view don’t even bother to read this forum.

 

Just an example of a few posts that were created today :

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18512-star-conflict-obt-v0710/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18518-contracts-and-rep/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18530-star-conflict-just-went-pay-2-win/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18536-the-loyalty-change-is-not-good-for-the-game/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18535-protest-fix-loyalty-gain/

 

 

 

You can keep your comment my dear sir.

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We will collect the feedback and do our best to improve this patch.

 

Thank you, hoping this will lead to the loyalty change to be reverted until you can properly implement a better contract solution.

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I try to be constructive. I am part of the team that is completely rewriting the wiki to help new players understand the game. I answer to questions of players directly by /w in the chat. I always give advice to players in the game i play. I took some other initiative to help improve things around. An di’m doing other time consuming things to help around, unpaid.

 

So i don’t think i have to prove to you i’m not concerned by my little self.

 

I don’t care about the new grind system, yeah, because it’s past me. So why should i care about new players ? Because i want this game to be good. And i take some time to think, and i don’t react on a first impression.

 

On the other hand, we saw today a vast majority of consumers used to have everything served freely, not giving a chance to an evolution of a game that is still in beta. And the very same people that accuse the dev of a game they didn’t pay for the most part of not taking their interest in view don’t even bother to read this forum.

 

Just an example of a few posts that were created today :

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18512-star-conflict-obt-v0710/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18518-contracts-and-rep/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18530-star-conflict-just-went-pay-2-win/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18536-the-loyalty-change-is-not-good-for-the-game/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18535-protest-fix-loyalty-gain/

 

 

 

You can keep your comment my dear sir.

you dont care about new players ? you are just selfish btw the game needs more new players !

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I try to be constructive. I am part of the team that is completely rewriting the wiki to help new players understand the game. I answer to questions of players directly by /w in the chat. I always give advice to players in the game i play. I took some other initiative to help improve things around. An di’m doing other time consuming things to help around, unpaid.

 

So i don’t think i have to prove to you i’m not concerned by my little self.

 

I don’t care about the new grind system, yeah, because it’s past me. So why should i care about new players ? Because i want this game to be good. And i take some time to think, and i don’t react on a first impression.

 

On the other hand, we saw today a vast majority of consumers used to have everything served freely, not giving a chance to an evolution of a game that is still in beta. And the very same people that accuse the dev of a game they didn’t pay for the most part of not taking their interest in view don’t even bother to read this forum.

 

Just an example of a few posts that were created today :

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18512-star-conflict-obt-v0710/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18518-contracts-and-rep/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18530-star-conflict-just-went-pay-2-win/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18536-the-loyalty-change-is-not-good-for-the-game/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18535-protest-fix-loyalty-gain/

 

 

 

You can keep your comment my dear sir.

 

Of course you dont care about the change if you already maxed your loyalty factions. I wouldnt care either if I had. You dont need to add the “I’m holier then you”-part. Have no impact about what most of the people feel about this and doesnt make your opinion mean anymore then a normal non-paying person. Or shall I add that I payed for all three DLC’s? Does that make my opinion carry more weight? I still have 15 000 galactic standards so I could deck out a T4 ship if I wanted. But thats not the point and neither is you doing work on the wiki.

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Seroiusly you destroyed the game.

 

I hate when developers change gameplay things just because the majority of players whine about how something suck but the truth is that they don’t know how to play the damn game!

I will uninstall this game and recommend other NOT to play this game anymore!

 

I liked this game before you made this patchs and I thought this game would have alot of potential to become an E-Sports game. Gaijin or the people who made this game you guys shot yourself in the damn foot.

 

Change things back and I might consider playing it again but right now you destroyed it. I was about to spend money on this game but that is out of the question. 

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I hate when developers change gameplay things just because the majority of players whine about how something suck but the truth is that they don’t know how to play the damn game!

I will uninstall this game and recommend other NOT to play this game anymore!

 

I don’t think anyone asked for this?

Did anyone seriously ask for this?

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I try to be constructive. I am part of the team that is completely rewriting the wiki to help new players understand the game. I answer to questions of players directly by /w in the chat. I always give advice to players in the game i play. I took some other initiative to help improve things around. An di’m doing other time consuming things to help around, unpaid.

 

So i don’t think i have to prove to you i’m not concerned by my little self.

 

I don’t care about the new grind system, yeah, because it’s past me. So why should i care about new players ? Because i want this game to be good. And i take some time to think, and i don’t react on a first impression.

 

On the other hand, we saw today a vast majority of consumers used to have everything served freely, not giving a chance to an evolution of a game that is still in beta. And the very same people that accuse the dev of a game they didn’t pay for the most part of not taking their interest in view don’t even bother to read this forum.

 

Just an example of a few posts that were created today :

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18512-star-conflict-obt-v0710/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18518-contracts-and-rep/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18530-star-conflict-just-went-pay-2-win/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18536-the-loyalty-change-is-not-good-for-the-game/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18535-protest-fix-loyalty-gain/

 

 

 

You can keep your comment my dear sir.

 

 

I couldn’t think of a more irrelevant and worthless retort to people pointing out the obvious. This isn’t the nationalist republic of star conflict, of which only you dictate right from wrong-- this is a forum. It is by definition a free marketplace of ideas. So this thread squashing nonsense of yours is exactly that: nonsense. Now go be French somewhere else.

 

The reputation gain system that’s been recently implemented is stifling at best. It indeed gives outrageous advantages to those who’ve already done their grinding, and truly deters me from pursuing this campaign I’ve been on to get my friends to try this game out. I could bring people from WoT over because I told them it was essentially the same game structure minus the grind, but in space, but this isn’t true anymore now is it? I can understand pursuing a business model that produces greater yield so you can work more diligently on your game, but alienating your playerbase is a very xxxx wrong way about doing it.

 

I don’t play interceptors. I have a Ricasso I’ve had great fun with in T2 and had grinded all day / night yesterday to afford the ships leading into the Kite-M until I eventually got it. It was so much fun! Where my Wolf-M was capping at 512kph, my Interceptor was doing roughly 600 right out of the shop. It was so much fun! 

 

Then I played one game of detonation in my interceptor and watched Wolf’s speed past me. I’m not sure if the devs are familiar with what role the Interceptor plays (sarcasm), but it’s pretty much a useless vanity ship if an inherently slower ship outdoes it in speed.

 

Guess I’ll be playing Hawken until next week, because aside from all the aforementioned, the chat text is god-xxxx-awful. Gave me a headache immediately.

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Don’t know if it was said already in this thread and I honestly don’t care if it was.

 

  1. Font is awful. Terribad for the eyes, unreadable and should be rolled back. More so - it got implemented in most of the texts which in the process made some of layouts off-centre. Roll it back please.

 

  1. Big xxxx icons of the ship type are not what I would consider “improved readability”. They obscure other important things now, add to the visual chaos. I don’t want to know if that’s frigate or interceptor ahead of me - I can see that by looking on the map [M]. I see what I fight from the shape of it and weapons it uses. On the other hand - I want to see where my Captain and where my squad mates are - that haven’t improved at all. Quite contrary.

 

  1. Loyalty gain change leads to huge shift in people priorities during a match - instead of pursuing match objectives they now pursue contracts. One thing which *could* change that would be to add “and win the match” to every contract. Overall it seems too grindy to me, but I can understand where they come from with that change.

 

  1. Speed change… A bit heavy-handed approach to the issue imho. I hope it’s temporary until they find new solution.

 

  1. Have I already said the font is AWFUL?
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Pretty much the only thing upsetting me about this patch is the loyalty gain stomp.

 

I’m a pretty new player that started out about 3 days ago. So what i’m now facing is tons of ppl that easily got their loyalty up before this patch will not have to grind for months like I do.

 

Bringing up Legion from zero to 6 took me about 2 days, playing several hours on both… now i switched to Armada today and when the day finishes i’ll be at rank 2. It’s highly unlikely that i can reach 3 tomorrow, or the day after, cause there is only one contract that gets worthwhile loyalty on a daily basis. Reaching 6 like Legion? Will probably take a month, or 2… for just one sub-faction and only 6, not 12 or such.

 

Another thing this change does is get players to move to PVE even more in the future. As they will not be able to get blue mods anymore they will want greens at least which are more likely to be obtained by shooting npcs. I don’t think that’s where the game should head…

 

Many have already voiced that winning is getting more and more useless, and it’s kind of true. So my suggestion is: Implement players getting loyalty for wins, and none for losses. That should give the players enough incentive to try their best to win.

 

As to the concern of mr. frog about ppl just coming here to voice their concerns with this change: It’s great that they are here! They are here because they already finished their contracts and got nothing better to do while waiting. Like me right now^^

 

So to the devs: Please don’t make players want to PVE more than necessary. Please don’t increase the entry barrier for newer players to get on par with older players by such a damn huge margin. I mean we are talking months, if not years for a single sub-faction if it stays as it is now.

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We will collect the feedback and do our best to improve this patch.

 

Thank you. I really appreciate developers who listen, and from what I’ve read here, you guys do a really good job at that. I hope that my above statements will lead to an even better game. Keep up the good work! :smiley:

 

That all said…I’ll probably be taking a relatively short break from the game until this is fixed, or I have friends on.

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If the developers are worried about the end-game being reached too early, there are other ways of going about giving more end-content than making it take years to max out ship load-outs. I am really giving this the benefit of the doubt as to that being the final goal and not forcing players to buy gold modules to stay competitive. Maybe a mode that has a higher chance for green/purple mod looting at the risk of losing parts yourself if your ship dies(such as an RNG for each module that determines if parts are destroyed, dropped for other players to pickup or kept by the person that died).

 

This is going by hear-say from ingame players so correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the final goal for Star Conflict to be open world? If so it doesn’t make sense to be focusing on progression speed now since matchmaking and open-world systems allow for vastly different progression boosting/hindering systems(See: EVE vs World of Tanks)

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Do I get to play 12v12s again? Getting burnt out on mobas …

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Thank you. I really appreciate developers who listen, and from what I’ve read here, you guys do a really good job at that. I hope that my above statements will lead to an even better game. Keep up the good work! :smiley:

 

That all said…I’ll probably be taking a relatively short break from the game until this is fixed, or I have friends on.

 

This.

 

I am playing EVE until it is fixed.

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I try to be constructive. I am part of the team that is completely rewriting the wiki to help new players understand the game. I answer to questions of players directly by /w in the chat. I always give advice to players in the game i play. I took some other initiative to help improve things around. An di’m doing other time consuming things to help around, unpaid.

 

So i don’t think i have to prove to you i’m not concerned by my little self.

 

I don’t care about the new grind system, yeah, because it’s past me. So why should i care about new players ? Because i want this game to be good. And i take some time to think, and i don’t react on a first impression.

 

On the other hand, we saw today a vast majority of consumers used to have everything served freely, not giving a chance to an evolution of a game that is still in beta. And the very same people that accuse the dev of a game they didn’t pay for the most part of not taking their interest in view don’t even bother to read this forum.

 

Just an example of a few posts that were created today :

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18512-star-conflict-obt-v0710/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18518-contracts-and-rep/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18530-star-conflict-just-went-pay-2-win/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18536-the-loyalty-change-is-not-good-for-the-game/

http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.php?/topic/18535-protest-fix-loyalty-gain/

 

 

 

You can keep your comment my dear sir.

 

I will keep my original comment, as I am certain it was pretty spot on. Telling people to not voice their opinion, or to close threads, is in no way constructive. Also, most of your forum posts have been knee jerk, defensive reactions to people just voicing their opinion, and you are very clearly reacting on first impression of posters. And accusing people of wanting things “handed freely to them” is a low blow. I was happy to grind sub faction standing before, in my opinion it was already quite the grind, and I was happy to grind it up while not being on an even footing with others who have played longer. Now it will take literally years to be able to compete with others on equal footing, and clearly I am not the only person who feels this is not good, and that the game will lose newer players because of it.

 

Saying peoples opinions don’t matter unless they payed for it is silly. Quite a few players have supported the game, I did, I bought Steam DLC because I enjoy supporting smaller developers, especially when they make a game I enjoy. Does that make my opinion more important than somebody else who plays the game for free? No, it does not. Without free players, the server would be a wasteland and I would never get in a match. That’s the decision when you do a F2P model, and one of the things you will get with that model will be people who play but don’t want to contribute money. 

 

So tell me to “STFU” all you like, tell others to stop posting, and keep asking to close the thread all you like. In the end you are doing the developers and the game itself a huge disservice by doing so. Most real life companies *pay money* to hear feedback. And you are correct, most people will not post on a forum, just like in real life most consumers will never complain, and will just stop shopping with a company. For every post on here there are 10 players confused or upset over the change in the games local chat. Telling people to stop voicing their opinions for, in my opinion, childish reasons is just silly. Why is there even a forum here if you don’t want to hear feedback?

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you dont care about new players ? you are just selfish btw the game needs more new players !

Obviously you didn’t read what i wrote because i just explained the opposite. I used a double negative, which may be a bit tricky.

 

Of course you dont care about the change if you already maxed your loyalty factions. I wouldnt care either if I had.

Same. 

 

 

Now go be French somewhere else.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Telling people to not voice their opinion, or to close threads, is in no way constructive.

 

Saying peoples opinions don’t matter unless they payed for it is silly. 

 

So tell me to “STFU” all you like, tell others to stop posting, and keep asking to close the thread all you like.

So you read me (thanks) but didn’t understand. 

 

 

 

I am mereley saying that you should READ FIRST and then post if it’s new.

 

Otherwise you can just say +1, or use the little button on the left of the post box.

 

And a basic rule of forums is reading and searching before posting. My point only.

 

 

I agree with you, we should all be able to say what we think on that matter. I don’t refrain from doing so. But in the adequate place. Spreading ideas on the whole forum is not a good way of having a reasonable discussion. Not reading what previous posters just work either.

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We will collect the feedback and do our best to improve this patch.

 

Can you explain the reasons why developers think/thought the faction reputation change is needed/favorable?

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Torpedo’s range is 10k metres even with the implant now…

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Btw another very annoying idea was to remove the implants missile bonus from jericho frig’s i greatly enjoyed my agile little rockets.

 

You could had at least told you broke this together with loyalty, not just silently ruin customization even more

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I’m not going to make a long post on the obvious, but I do not like this patch overall like many others 1) loyalty nerf 2) int speed nerf 3) font nerf (lol).

Look, the fundamental issue with the loyalty nerf is a game needs to provide its players with a carrot on a stick, something they can work towards (the blues in this case). The problem here is you’ve placed the carrot on top of a mountain…way farther than someone wants to walk for a carrot.

No one likes artificially imposed gating mechanisms. Here’s a better artifical gate: make 3 loyalties per faction instead of 2 if you want people to have to grind more. As it stands, I wouldn’t be surprised if in a week from now the server pop goes down to 1-1.5k at peak.

And don’t get me started on the speed cap, my T3 Jericho Int had 678 speed. How many more times are we gonna get nerfed? :frowning:

I would say this is pretty important to get right. Hell, there are over 50 people viewing this topic right now.

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I am mereley saying that you should READ FIRST and then post if it’s new.

 

Otherwise you can just say +1, or use the little button on the left of the post box.

 

And a basic rule of forums is reading and searching before posting. My point only.

 

I agree with you, we should all be able to say what we think on that matter. I don’t refrain from doing so. But in the adequate place. Spreading ideas on the whole forum is not a good way of having a reasonable discussion. Not reading what previous posters just work either.

 

True, one could make a +1 instead of an actual post. However, it’s far more productive to a developer to have information as to WHY people are upset, rather than +1. That’s why, although it’s already been said, I rewrote what I felt needed to be said. There’s also no forum post that specific states “All patch feedback here please”. If there was, chances are moderators would have merged those threads here by now. Being someone who’s more in-tune with game development as a profession, this thread is a good example of why forums are needed for video games, and getting this kind of (mostly) quality feedback is useful to them. The more replies there are, the more information they can collect and tabulate.

 

 

So i don’t think i have to prove to you i’m not concerned by my little self.

 

You can keep your comment my dear sir.

 

On a side note, being a wiki contributor and having an avatar/signature doesn’t give you the right to be on a high-horse. Get off of it, please. You’re no better than anyone here.