Star Conflict OBT v.0.9.9 Discussion

Mercenary Center Patch Discussion
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I can’t believe what I am reading from you here time and time again…You say the system is good?

How can T1 put up a challenge against T2, let alone T3?

How can T2 put up a challenge against T3, let alone T4?

The ship slots, modules availability and implants make a HUGE difference.

 

Maybe we should do an event…Dev T1 team vs NASA T2 team…I’m sure the dev team can totally win!

While i am not agreeing or disagree on whole matchmaking debate here, i kindly ignore it, this particular post is one of the core problems with the community, you take stuff up from thin air and then go around shouting it at everyone.

 This is NOT how matchmaking work nor suppose to work, it doesn’t match you with best of the best of higher tiers - they are already pushed up by tier so you are matched with low of the lowest in higher tier. And thank you for comparing NASA as low of the lowest, i personally think better of myself.

 I absolutely agree that new players should not fight new players in higher tiers just because they are in squad, average team work of such a squad is equal or below of random pug.

 But skilled players can compete in higher tiers, as an example we were doing 4x man T1 NASA squad, leveling ships, we were put against r6s most of the time, result? 90% win rate, we even won Capture the beacon vs T3 3x man squad back then.

 Last night I was solo leveling my r3 ships, obviously i had mk3 gear on them, i was put in the queue 24 and was matched against r4-6s, all games were 12v12 and i did not see a single T3 ship during those games. Result? about 10 Pms with claims that i am cheater, Aim-bot user and some other rage messages.

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Matchmaking actually mixes tiers with higher ships having lower performance rates/equipment than your opponent.

And there should be no two-tiers higher opponents when the online is high.

 

Well, if i fly R3 T1 ships in a 2 man squad and get stomped by R6 experimentals and 1500 DSR that will prove you wrong right? Cause that’s whats happening.

 

This photo doesnt ilustrate the experimental 1500dsr adversaries, but basically sums up what’s wrong with the MM:

http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/849219947845357090/EE45F8FF7D736DF89A72CEFB45F04D9EFB90C35B/

If you look carefully, me and my brother are flying R7-R9 ships, and we are facing a LOT of T4’s, and we have single T2 pilots. Well, looking at that i couldnt call the current MM of anything other than excrement.

 

But don’t worry, if i ever get to play the game again for real im sure i can get lots of SS with me and my brother being smashed by 3 ranks higher or 6 ranks higher ships equiped with experimentals.

 

The fun thing is, they have the logs, but they doesnt seem to be able to use it in any good way whatsoever.

 

 

Last week: Before 0.9.9?

Did you take highest-ranking ship in tier? What tier were you matched with? Were you the only 2 pilots in the group?

 

It is funny Antibus trying to show interest in some player’s problem even thou they should know this problem before it even gets posted here, i wonder, how in the hell do they use their game’s logs?  OHHHH A new list of numbers, lets throw in the trash.

 

And that kind of questioning is basically done with the goal to call someone a liar, since we are players not photo freaks who spends half the match taking pictures.

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This photo doesnt ilustrate the experimental 1500dsr adversaries, but basically sums up what’s wrong with the MM:

http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/849219947845357090/EE45F8FF7D736DF89A72CEFB45F04D9EFB90C35B/

If you look carefully, me and my brother are flying R7-R9 ships, and we are facing a LOT of T4’s, and we have single T2 pilots. Well, looking at that i couldnt call the current MM of anything other than excrement.

 

Here is another post full of bs, i want you personally open up a screen shot and COUNT EVERY T4 on enemy team.

the only 1500 player there is Cowboy, tough luck, and he is flying T3

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Yeah im fine with T3/4 mixing with 3 or 4 ranks above or below me.

 

a suggestion? How bout we do this…

 

T1 Locked - Training

 

T2 Locked - Advanced Training 

 

T2/T3 Open - You face opponents only 3-4 Ranks above or below you depending on skill Rating - Squads shall always face +2 Ranks based on the overall SR of the group. But no more then 4 ranks total

 

T3/T4 Open - You face opponents only 3-4 Ranks above or below you depending on skill Rating - Squads shall always face +2 Ranks based on the overall SR of the group. But no more then 4 ranks total

 

T4/T5 Open - You face opponents only 3-4 Ranks above or below you depending on skill Rating - Squads shall always face +2 Ranks based on the overall SR of the group. But no more then 4 ranks total

 

T5 Locked - Master Level MM 

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Every time I see people complaining about MM I feel like playing a totally different game. 

In MM with 3 friend in T3 (R7-R9) we most of the time fight T3 when squaded together. Sometimes we have a single guy who has T4 (on one side or another). I don’t call this a problem, this would be if every match we would fight AT LEAST 4-5 T4 in the opposing team without a single T4 in our. I agree that Tier 1 shouldn’t meet Tier 2 though. 

 

I played for the first time BF4 yesterday and all the guy complaining should try to begin on bf4… it’s 1000 worse than what we have here. I fought guys who had 1000+ games with latest weapons and all accessories on them. I didn’t even hit them once.

and all games I played yesterday were like that (6 games). And still, look how much people plays this game (millions). I don’t think MM is the biggest problem is this game. Advertising + playerbase is.

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T1 should be soft locked, players that enjoy having no challenge like Cry to the Max still should be pushed out of t1.

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I agree. When tier were fixed I met a lot of full purple full synergized guys who liked to stomp players

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Every time I see people complaining about MM I feel like playing a totally different game. 

In MM with 3 friend in T3 (R7-R9) we most of the time fight T3 when squaded together. Sometimes we have a single guy who has T4 (on one side or another). I don’t call this a problem, this would be if every match we would fight AT LEAST 4-5 T4 in the opposing team without a single T4 in our. I agree that Tier 1 shouldn’t meet Tier 2 though. 

 

I played for the first time BF4 yesterday and all the guy complaining should try to begin on bf4… it’s 1000 worse than what we have here. I fought guys who had 1000+ games with latest weapons and all accessories on them. I didn’t even hit them once.

and all games I played yesterday were like that (6 games). And still, look how much people plays this game (millions). I don’t think MM is the biggest problem is this game. Advertising + playerbase is.

 

Well, when i played after the patch last week i fought about 4 combat recons straight. In all 4 i had a dude with T2 ship (not guard, not inties, not styx) and the enemy team had T4’s Guards or Inties. And also, the SR, my team with a incredible SR of 1000-1100 and one time it was under 1000. The enemy was always 1200+. Wanna ask me how many times our cap died and how many times their cap died? Well, 4x0 respectivelly. So please, enlighten us and explain how well is the MM working.

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And there 2 players with T4’s in case u missed felixzsomething.

“…and we are facing a LOT of T4’s,…”

And he is flying T3

I will go as far as saying you have NO T4s in your game, judging by your screenshots, and some common sense (it is potentially possible that some of these silhouettes are T4s but i highly doubt it)

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BTW any idea what are they going to include tomorrow?

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As a solo player i have no complaints with MM.   

 

 

Lets say you lineup has nothing but T2 ships (all Blue/Purple) Going SOLO… I can say yes… Current MM does for the most part a pretty good job of keep you within the 5-8 rankings.  Though I have on occasion seen rank 9 ships. 

 

Not changing your lineup and all your team mates match your ship rankings  also our DSR\Skill are 1200-1300s  (average)

 

joining a buddy in forming up a squad  MM matches you with T2s with a few T3s here and there.  (rank 8-10)     

 

joining a already formed squad as the third person ensures your team will be facing nothing but T3s (9-11)

 

Joining a squad and expanding to a 4 you might as well say… FACE the Music cause you will go against T4s (rank 10-12) and NO MATTER your skill level…you are at an disadvantage. 

 

 

 

As said many times…   squad playing with ships lower than T3 introduces challenges.   I think alot of folks are saying T1 and T2 should stand on its own and not be mixed.  

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As a solo player i have no complaints with MM.   

 

As said many times…   squad playing with ships lower than T3 introduces challenges.   I think alot of folks are saying T1 and T2 should stand on its own and not be mixed.  

 

Yup, a solo player stays within his own Tier and gets balanced well. But thats about it. ITs no fun after you go 10 games with nobody to talk to, communicate with or work with. So whats the point of playing with friends? 

 

We are never even trying to put a skill factor into this discussion ( Well thats what Im trying to say) We are pointing out that T2 Vs T3 is okay depending on Versing rank but its a problem when you are T1 vs. T3. 

 

Squads are so non-existent now that if you want to play all the same tier you have to countdown to attempt to launch at the same time! 

 

A group of new players (T1) that squads up with 4 players will go into T3 matches, QQ and quit the game instantly. My little brother did. and hes a heavy gamer. 

 

So I dont understand, if you take OUT the skill factor its still UNFAIR! 

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since 0.9.9 there is no more than 2 tier difference, only one tier max (according to devs)

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since 0.9.9 there is no more than 2 tier difference, only one tier max (according to devs)

Well, theory in paper is ALWAYS different than what actually happen in reality…

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Well, theory in paper is ALWAYS different than what actually happen in reality…

To be fair, I’ve yet to see screen shots of post 0.9.9 with 2 tier differences caused by matchmaking (i have seen players with full T1s in T4 games, but i know for 100% they were in a squad with T4 players, so it is an issue of different caliber)

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To be fair, I’ve yet to see screen shots of post 0.9.9 with 2 tier differences caused by matchmaking (i have seen players with full T1s in T4 games, but i know for 100% they were in a squad with T4 players, so it is an issue of different caliber)

True, and I get what you mean (I’ll make sure to take an screenshot nextime, because I hate being called a liar).

Anyway, I weren’t talking specifically about the game, but about how things really work in real life. Nothing works the same in paper as in reality, and this game is no exception to it.

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T1 should be soft locked, players that enjoy having no challenge like Cry to the Max still should be pushed out of t1.

 

Are there players sad enough to sit down on T1 to farm kills and that stuff??

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Are there players sad enough to sit down on T1 to farm kills and that stuff??

I am not sure about this part, but they are obviously sad enough when they get matched vs T2s  :00666:

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It’s beautiful how you distort the fact that NEW players (people that have JUST created their accounts), enter the game, make a squad (a damn logical choice based in how every MMO is) only to find themselves against higher rank, higher tier and better equipped ships with players that have more experience than them and have better understanding of the game, regardless of an idiotic stat called “Skill Rating” that doesn’t show ACTUAL skill in anything.

Nah, they must be DSR farmers, right Kostyan? Yeah, screw new players, they deserve to be prey just because they choose to squad up in their first game and farm a stat that they don’t even know that exists, they’re abusing the game, PUNISH THEM!.

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I am not sure about this part, but they are obviously sad enough when they get matched vs T2s  :00666:

 

I saw once, a long time ago, when I was starting the ceptor part of the Empire, a guy with 4 t1 ships and everyone premium, he was obviously not a n00b, you could see it in his gameplay (compared to every new guy you can find on t1 I mean, he wasn’t even good against me) farming kills and ignoring objetives… and he had a corp, but I’ll not name it xD