The game simply got dumbed down! Cookie-cutter setups everywhere. Before this god aweful patch everything had a counter, it was a rock-paper-scissors balance, but I think some people mistaken balance with “if I can beat it its balanced, if I cant its OP”…
Yes agreed that some frigs were too strong in some mod combinations, but Im still looking for the general reasoning to take away so much gameplay elements!
Now you build a tank for PvE and its an almost exclusive for FRIGs thing now, since you can get 1-shot by enemy missile in anything smaller, and now you dont even have the means to protect your self or do sometricks.
Absolutely hate it… I never thought the development of a game can go backwards until I met patch 0.8!
The reasoning for the changes is balance, yet it created so many OP setups, gimped whole classes and races, dumbed down the game to a few valid gameplay styles and setups, created cookie-setups, removed racial flavors, totally messed up ‘Detonation’ games, broke the rock-paper-scissors balance.
I would say k now ppl will buy more GOLD to compensate, but thats not even the case here, some crucial gameplay functionality is simply gone or dumbed down. I dont see any logical arguement here either, I only see some mad men trolling us for “the LULZ”…
I kinda like the role changes over all, with restrictive module fittings and all.
I think Adaptive Camo needs to drop the bomb, or be disrupted from taking damage like regular cloak at least.
Certain ships still have kinda wierd role bonuses & slots, for example Strong with 18 missile slots is pretty crazy…
My major grief with this patch is how modules were handled, and especially premium modules. I get that “upgrading” modules along with the ship if it changed tier was an attempt to do good. But with the role changes it means money invested in the game that’s locked up, that no longer benefits my play.
Imagine if before 0.8.0 you bought gold standards and then spent it all on interceptor modules but all you ever fly is frigates. That would be a similar situation to what 0.8.0 has kinda forced me into.
Premium, and I’m tempted to say even regular modules since some of those now have different reputation requirements, should have been refunded at purchase price. Respect your customers investments more.
mistaken balance with “if I can beat it its balanced, if I cant its OP”…
You think unbeatable things aren’t overpowered? You have a weird definition.
I think you have a rose tinted memory of pre-0.8 star conflict. All I ever saw were pulsar/repair frigates, stasis/cloak interceptors and command link empire fighters roflstomping anything less optimal. What part of that wasn’t “cookie cutter”?
I’m also an Eve player and I think patch 0.8 is fine and that (gasp! heresy!), Eve doesn’t have perfect game mechanics. There’s a reason we all jokingly call it a “terrible internet spaceship game”.
And you’re simply dead wrong about pve. I do it in a gunship or covops if someone else has brought an engy frig and I don’t get “one shot by missiles”.
I’m also an Eve player and I think patch 0.8 is fine and that (gasp! heresy!), Eve doesn’t have perfect game mechanics. There’s a reason we all jokingly call it a “terrible internet spaceship game”.
that’s bittervet lingo
and eve counts its playerbase in tens of thousands.
You think unbeatable things aren’t overpowered? You have a weird definition.
I think you have a rose tinted memory of pre-0.8 star conflict. All I ever saw were pulsar/repair frigates, stasis/cloak interceptors and command link empire fighters roflstomping anything less optimal. What part of that wasn’t “cookie cutter”?
I’m also an Eve player and I think patch 0.8 is fine and that (gasp! heresy!), Eve doesn’t have perfect game mechanics. There’s a reason we all jokingly call it a “terrible internet spaceship game”.
And you’re simply dead wrong about pve. I do it in a gunship or covops if someone else has brought an engy frig and I don’t get “one shot by missiles”.
Frigs were suspectible to interceptors and interceptors to fighters which were again food for frigates. Hence the rock-papar-scissors balance. Im not long enough here to comment on all those OP setups you mentioned, but this feels like a collective punishment for a few unbalanced things out there. TBH I see for the first time OP setups like adaptive camo in detonation matches, invincible engi frigs, etc etc…
EVE is a completely different game with different gameplay elements although I have been with EVE since early Beta (12+ years sofar) I have never mentioned it here once, why quote me for things I havent said? Besides EVE is apples, SC is oranges, yeah they are tasty fruits but thats about it what they have in common!
Anyway Im flying Jericho, I DONT have gunships anymore since the patch, actually I chose Jericho just because of their gunships now they are gone Im left with a command ship that has a wierd ability to live for another 3-4 secs YAY(!), or a cloaker with low speed so I couldnt find a purpose for that yet in PvE neither… Right now Im trying to get a guard ship so I can do PvE again without dying in the first wave of any mission.
Jericho is now the worst race they aint jack of all trades, and definetly not a master of anything! What was so overpowered about jericho that it had to be nerfed to oblivion? As a matter of fact since I just started, Im gonna create another char with Federation in mind, they seem to have all the goodies Jericho lost.
Why on earth (in space) should a single interceptor be able to take out a frigate ??
Why not? Frigate is just a class like the two other, they dont cost more or something… what is your justification to that comment other than that you like to fly FRIGs and in your book they should be the be-all-end-all ship, taking on multiple ships of whatever class and win.
If the only way to beat FRIGs is to bring more FRIGs of your own, this falls into the category of OVERPOWERED (IF, the only way to beat something is to outnumber it with it self = OVERPOWERED)
FRIGs were beaten by CEPTORs which were beaten by FIGHTERs which were beaten easily by FRIGs in return, this is called balance not the crap we have now with “ROLES”.
BTW, from my rather long MMO experience (over 15 years), 75% of the playerbase never visits forums, half of those that visit forums are die hard arse kissing fan boys and the other half bittervet whiners who are never content.
So POLLs like these will never give you an accurate estimation, the ingame voting is much better IMO.
BTW, from my rather long MMO experience (over 15 years), 75% of the playerbase never visits forums, half of those that visit forums are die hard arse kissing fan boys and the other half bittervet whiners who are never content.
So POLLs like these will never give you an accurate estimation, the ingame voting is much better IMO.
Apologies. I mixed up replies to you and fatshoki by ninja editing myself. You indeed never mentioned Eve.
that’s bittervet lingo
and eve counts its playerbase in tens of thousands.
Actually since it commonly has tens of thousands online at a time it counts its playerbase in the hundreds of thousands at least
Were you actually refuting my point there or not? Eve isn’t a good game because it has particularly amazing space combat, it’s a good game for many other reasons. Besides, as Kunming says, Eve is eve and star conflict is star conflict, saying that eve is a good basis for SC is like saying beef is a good base for your trifle because it makes good steaks.
Or maybe it was supposed to be the other way around, but from my first hand experience it was as I said. Maybe thats why alot of you old timers embrace this change while I experienced distaste.
in my blackmarket it says 7500 gold costs 99 euro, and a tier 4 ships costs 8225 gold . hwhat the xxxx, paying 100 euro for a ship? really? how about no! and making grizzley - m lvl 12 ship so weak as it is now. how about, xxxx, and it came a new ship between so if lvl 13 comes upp i need to buy that before i can continue my tech tree. means wasting 6,6 millions on a ship im never gonna use, like all the rest ships earlier too
The roles are not broken. Recon and ECM interceptors are NOT for killing. That is not their role. You dont take a recon ship and attack a guard frigate, it defies all laws of science fiction. The covert ops interceptor is good for killing though. I had no problem taking out guard frigates with my covert ops inty. Sneak up behind the frig, drop a mine, fire missiles, hit him with rapid fire for as long as you can. Plasma arc and purple suicide module does a TON of damage. Oh and dont forget the plasma web. The other day I went in with two of my friends, we all few interceptor, I went covert, they did ecm. We worked as a team and believe me no frig stood a chance. Fighter roles are also nice. Gunships are for killing. Command are for buffs. Frigates roles are also nice. Guard frigs are for guarding. Engineer are for repairing and buffing. Long range are for long range. You just need to realize that the combat in this game is now role based. You need to deal with it. Learn to play as a team and I promise the game will be so much funner. And believe me nothing is more lethal than a squad of 4 different roles, each supporting the other, and playing as a team.
Sigh its like you guys are going to rage about everything.
I take it back, i’ve ajusted to drones, and [Milfeulle](< base_url >/index.php?/user/236752-milfeulle/) merci beaucoup pour ton aide, the Desert Eagle is now rocking hard. :kamikadze:
Customisation was a real revelation that made me drop World of Tanks like a hot potato.
If a new player picks up a role they don’t do well with they will take ages to buy another right now.
When I started I could switch out modules.
I quite like Roles now I’ve tried out a few (Machete missile spam wooohooo! Not that effective but fun) but that flexibility is a great selling point and if the modules are named after the Roles then new players can test which ones they like before committing to T2 ships.
The roles are not broken. Recon and ECM interceptors are NOT for killing. That is not their role. You dont take a recon ship and attack a guard frigate, it defies all laws of science fiction. The covert ops interceptor is good for killing though. I had no problem taking out guard frigates with my covert ops inty. Sneak up behind the frig, drop a mine, fire missiles, hit him with rapid fire for as long as you can. Plasma arc and purple suicide module does a TON of damage. Oh and dont forget the plasma web. The other day I went in with two of my friends, we all few interceptor, I went covert, they did ecm. We worked as a team and believe me no frig stood a chance. Fighter roles are also nice. Gunships are for killing. Command are for buffs. Frigates roles are also nice. Guard frigs are for guarding. Engineer are for repairing and buffing. Long range are for long range. You just need to realize that the combat in this game is now role based. You need to deal with it. Learn to play as a team and I promise the game will be so much funner. And believe me nothing is more lethal than a squad of 4 different roles, each supporting the other, and playing as a team.
Sigh its like you guys are going to rage about everything.
Instead of -1, I say -5.
That might be nice if you could actually choose your role cause the tree permits that!