Hence the rollback would actually be preferable. I didnt expect an actual rollback, but I did expect *something*. Not even a patch, just a hotfix to lobotimize the new MM and get it out of the picture. The MM was fine.
Rollbacks aren’t an option so much as a last resort for pretty much any human-designed progressive system. Like a game in beta. Or even the government of a nation. You (and others) have spent good time putting effort into changes, and what, you are asked to just throw it all away? Not gonna happen except in extreme circumstances when things are really so bad that its the only way to avoid very obvious and/or imminent catastrophe.
The way things get dealt with by creators and modifiers of systems is to only treat a rollback as a last resort at best, and a complete taboo otherwise. The way things get done is that they don’t roll back. Instead, they work on a new set of changes. These changes may set some things back to values closer to a previous state, sure, but it won’t be a pure rollback. Doesn’t even matter if its a game or some other system like utility software, or the Playstation online store, or a political body (goodness knows the American government is chock full of effective “patches,” they only actually “rollback” something on extremely rare occasions, much prefering to simply modify stuff instead).
So really. Don’t ask for them to roll stuff back. Ever. Ask for them to change it.
if you know how software develop ,a professional and quality one you wont be saying any word of above.
in my company,we have version control systems which track any changes with branches.we have backups of whole repos regularly.when we prototype a new beta and things go unsatisfactory- we roll back .
do you know how easy to rollback?
eg.
hg revert --all -r 0.7.10
thats it puff bacck to 0.7.10!thst all it takes, one line of command.
and you never lost latest change it kept tracked in repo.if we want useful feature from that changeset all we need to do is:
hg merge -r 0.7.12 -all
then discard unwanted and add back good ones.a few mins of work using mercurial or git scms
AS i know how behind the scenes goes i wont hestitate but sincerely ask devs to just do a rolollback
come on devs i believe u guys have some kind of version control repo
do a rollback.
The reward you get for your actions is winning, even if the loot now s*cks. Doesn’t sound too flawed to me. Getting put up against teams with tier 3’s when our team has none just because the people on our team have good stats- That’s some flawed sh*t right there.
I mentioned this on one of my earlier posts in a diff topic, but didn’t we all do a poll about mixing the tiers and it was a landslide for not mixing the tiers? Are the devs illiterate or are the polls phony?
In communist USSR Polls Votes You!
I’m starting to notice that there are less people playing this game, less in higher tiers.
if you know how software develop ,a professional and quality one you wont be saying any word of above. in my company,we have version control systems which track any changes with branches.we have backups of whole repos regularly.when we prototype a new beta and things go unsatisfactory- we roll back . do you know how easy to rollback? eg. hg revert --all -r 0.7.10 thats it puff bacck to 0.7.10!thst all it takes, one line of command. and you never lost latest change it kept tracked in repo.if we want useful feature from that changeset all we need to do is: hg merge -r 0.7.12 -all then discard unwanted and add back good ones.a few mins of work using mercurial or git scms
Sorry if I didn’t make myself clear enough. I am not saying its difficult. I am saying that HUMAN NATURE itself forbids it.
It really is quite easy to do in theory. But human nature gets in the way of things and THAT is the reason why its nigh impossible to get a rollback outside of extreme circumstances. And hence why you shouldn’t bother asking for one, and instead should ask for specific things to be made more like they used to be. People who create things of any sort absolutely HATE it when it is suggested that their hard work is crap and should be undone completely.
This is a topic about consumer/creator relations. I made my post to highlight the fact that you can’t just expect people who took lots of time and effort into making and maintaining things to throw away even a little of that work without a good deal of resistance.
And that’s BEFORE getting into the whole mess of the working hierarchy of who gets the final say of what goes on in a company made of more then just a handful of people.
I too was saying in one of my many recent “I frakking hate 7.12” posts that whatever team put the MM together might be too attatched to it to get rid of it. I suggested they stop killing the game, man up, and kill the damn MM.
Sidenote though. If anyone hasnt ‘suggested’ it yet I suggest putting a “No more mixed tiers/crap loot/crazy expensive ships” in the suggestions section. (And by ‘anyone’ I mean if you yourself have not specifically made one, do it)
Sorry if I didn’t make myself clear enough. I am not saying its difficult. I am saying that HUMAN NATURE itself forbids it.
It really is quite easy to do in theory. But human nature gets in the way of things and THAT is the reason why its nigh impossible to get a rollback outside of extreme circumstances. And hence why you shouldn’t bother asking for one, and instead should ask for specific things to be made more like they used to be. People who create things of any sort absolutely HATE it when it is suggested that their hard work is crap and should be undone completely.
This is a topic about consumer/creator relations. I made my post to highlight the fact that you can’t just expect people who took lots of time and effort into making and maintaining things to throw away even a little of that work without a good deal of resistance.
And that’s BEFORE getting into the whole mess of the working hierarchy of who gets the final say of what goes on in a company made of more then just a handful of people.
its developer duty to accept change. if they cant they are out of job.
and version control system make sure you can do rollbacks without losing latest works.
if an update is catastrophic like this its best and lesser work to rollback and start from best version . i am a CTO and i know what i saying.
I concur. Havent played in days, no interest in the way it is now. Only on here every day hoping it will be back to unmixed tiers. If we get a definitive “No” then I’m 100% out.
if you know how software develop ,a professional and quality one you wont be saying any word of above. in my company,we have version control systems which track any changes with branches.we have backups of whole repos regularly.when we prototype a new beta and things go unsatisfactory- we roll back . do you know how easy to rollback? eg. hg revert --all -r 0.7.10 thats it puff bacck to 0.7.10!thst all it takes, one line of command. and you never lost latest change it kept tracked in repo.if we want useful feature from that changeset all we need to do is: hg merge -r 0.7.12 -all then discard unwanted and add back good ones.a few mins of work using mercurial or git scms
Except he’s not talking about software development. Software and game development are two entirely different fields. When you develop changes for a game, you tend to be more emotionally invested in it and your vision of what it should be, far more so than software developers usually are. Yes, rolling back is simple to do mechanically, but the problem is that they don’t WANT to. They want to believe that they made the right choice, that their vision of the game is the best, and that the players complaining simply “don’t get it” or “don’t know any better” when they reject it. No, they’re going to stick with this system for as long as they can. That is, unless we can persist in our complaints for long enough to change their minds.
Fix loyalty gain. Stop mixing the tiers. If I play T2 - it’s because I want to play T2.
If you’re so worried about newbies getting farmed by vets, whynot make the matchmaker attempt to match people based on character age - so true newbies would get paired with true newbies first. I don’t care -who- I am fighting, I just happen to enjoy the balance that exists in T2. The fact is with blue mods on my ship I’ll always be fighting in T3 matches.
I would PAY to have loyalty gain under the old system, the game was actually enjoyable to play and therefore worth my money (You’ll note I’m a Premium user atm - though my ambition to play has dropped to being practically non-existant.) but only if you go back to the unmixed tiers. If you want to mix tiers in Regular - or create some sort of ‘hardcode’ game mode, I don’t care. But we should at least have the option to play fixed tiers against each other (ideally this would be arcade).
I really can’t continue to justify giving any money to this company at this point. There’s no enjoyment anymore, just grind. I thought that was the whole point of becoming a Premium user - to reduce the grind? Apparently not.
Every single time you make a new patch and fail to listen to the public, or the public are all screaming out for the same thing, like we have been doing for a month now, i am going to post just this:
!!!ALERT!!!
0.7.10
!!!REVERT!!!
Companies, especially game companies, don’t talk to their fanbase. In fact, I recall seeing posts by Bioware people that amounted to “Why should we talk to you people when you don’t have anything worth saying?”
Alas, this is a very, very stupid concept. One of the things I admire about Runescape is that the Developers post a LOT of information. Every month they give an overview of what they plan to do that month. When changes to combat mechanics, equipment, loot, monster behaviour, etc. come in they do their best to explain why. Even if the explanation is “we feel people aren’t playing this part of the game enough, so we’re tripling the xp reward to see if that brings people back.” or “we feel this content is giving people too much xp compared to similar training methods, so we’ve halved the xp income.” Just one sentence giving an idea of what they are thinking is so very, very welcome in these matters.
When mechanics are changed negatively, players get angry. If you at least tell people why you think that change was necessary, at best you will convince them it was needed. At worst they still hate it, but at least they know why you did it.
In this new patch it now costs more for re-implantation.
Re-implantation = 950k
Single re-implanting = 100k
:facepalm:
They could have done much more evil things than increasing re-implanting cost. This is a trivial matter
They could have done much more evil things than increasing re-implanting cost. This is a trivial matter
No. This is unforgivable, and should never be seen as anything less.
If you accept it because “It could have been worse,” then it will get worse! It will get worse because you are telling the company you are happy being ripped off like that.
Send the right message, and no other message; we are not happy about this change, and want it reverted.
The mods form of mitigating outcry was blocking me from chat for an hour after saying “the devs should fall off a nearby cliff” (and if you haven’t experienced the new mail system they should fall off a nearby cliff ;)wt )
I don’t like having my personal liberties infringed on so that will be all Star Conflict. On to bigger and better games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again “I’m trapped in a good game that is trying to be bad”
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No. This is unforgivable, and should never be seen as anything less.
Unforgivable? This wasn’t a mass murder. It was a tweak to a video game.
Hyperbolic much?
The re-implanting costs were a needed adjustment. In a game where you can farm several million credits through PvE in a single day, too many things were too cheap.
Unforgivable? This wasn’t a mass murder. It was a tweak to a video game.
Hyperbolic much?
The re-implanting costs were a needed adjustment. In a game where you can farm several million credits through PvE in a single day, too many things were too cheap.
because PvE is SO MUCH FUN! right? right?! yeah, didnt think so either…
farming is also boring as hell, i just want to have fun!
"because PvE is SO MUCH FUN! right? right?! yeah, didnt think so either…
farming is also boring as hell, i just want to have fun!"
I quite enjoy PvE.
There are many different players in this game with many different preferences. Recognizing that would be a good step toward a constructive discussion.