This is my opinion on it.
@phatbandit, ye things change no problem.
Multiple patches with bad effects which all aggravated the community dont mean good changes.
@ThePhatBandit, you really think you’re speacial do you?
Why do we take things so seriously? Why do YOU take US so seriously!?
Try to get the Message of a text, not only the feelings.
This is my opinion on it.
1st of all, I agree that there is to much flaming… BUT:
*I like how you say you havent spend any money on it, that makes it kinda cheesy for you to argue that people spend money on their own risk… If you buy a dlc which gives you an extra loot chance and then the loot is nerfed into the ground… that kinda sucks for ppl that do support the game m8. And mind you its those people that make the game development possible in the first place.
Also I note that you do not mention anything about implants and how that effects the gameplay, where the tier 3/4 ppl get a lot more implant buffs. Also it is not about that you still have an equal chance to win, that is not the point at all. And if that is your conclusion then you really should read more of other people’s opinions ([http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/18860-mismatched-matchmaking/page-4](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/18860-mismatched-matchmaking/page-4)) for example.
Another point id like to make, is… and pls dont get this the wrong way, but your quite the avarage skiled player. For an avarage skilled player there might be less of a change. But for someone with a lot of skill there is a huge noticable difference. Please read my posts in the link provided above.
Also you say nothing about the reduced reputation as you are not affected, let me explain: When someone who could potentially fly a tier 3/4 ship now plays tier 2, he gets about 100 reputation. You dont mention this is your video as you are obviously not at that point in the game yet. You video is completly valid, dont get me wrong, because your conclusion is based on an avarage player that just got to tier 2 or atleast isnt far in yet. But your really wrong as to then make a conclusion based on your experience for the rest of the playerbase. It seems to me you should inform yourself a bit better before judging other people’s reaction, and just blindly comparing it to your own experience.
This is my opinion on it.
i understand why they made this change to matchmaking. but there is a huge problem in its core that is related to nerf of the loot. currently there is ablosutely no point in trying to win. ur game reward does not depend on win or lose.
to help ur team u have to take risks, do something. and if it actually helped and ur team won - u get reward for ur risks. but now, why should i go in, tryhard if in the end my reward for winning (not a base reward for participatiing in game) wont even cover repair costs from a single death? and by merging tiers they actually increased chances of a regular player to lose their ships in battle against higher tier ships. if u win a game and die 1-2 times while doing it u will have less overall income then if u dont die but lose a game. i think this is a core problem.
by nerfing the loot they removed last bits of motivation to win a game instead of just play a game and dont die.
1st of all, I agree that there is to much flaming… BUT:
*I like how you say you havent spend any money on it, that makes it kinda cheesy for you to argue that people spend money on their own risk… If you buy a dlc which gives you an extra loot chance and then the loot is nerfed into the ground… that kinda sucks for ppl that do support the game m8. And mind you its those people that make the game development possible in the first place.
Also I note that you do not mention anything about implants and how that effects the gameplay, where the tier 3/4 ppl get a lot more implant buffs. Also it is not about that you still have an equal chance to win, that is not the point at all. And if that is your conclusion then you really should read more of other people’s opinions ([http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/18860-mismatched-matchmaking/page-4](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/18860-mismatched-matchmaking/page-4)) for example.
Another point id like to make, is… and pls dont get this the wrong way, but your quite the avarage skiled player. For an avarage skilled player there might be less of a change. But for someone with a lot of skill there is a huge noticable difference. Please read my posts in the link provided above.
Also you say nothing about the reduced reputation as you are not affected, let me explain: When someone who could potentially fly a tier 3/4 ship now plays tier 2, he gets about 100 reputation. You dont mention this is your video as you are obviously not at that point in the game yet. You video is completly valid, dont get me wrong, because your conclusion is based on an avarage player that just got to tier 2 or atleast isnt far in yet. But your really wrong as to then make a conclusion based on your experience for the rest of the playerbase. It seems to me you should inform yourself a bit better before judging other people’s reaction, and just blindly comparing it to your own experience.
I completely agree that I am an average skilled player, and I am not ‘speaking for everyone’. I am simply stating that people are taking this a bit too harshly. I can see the frustrations and the fact that people want to make the game better is awesome for the game, but my point is… no reason for people to stop playing the game or say the game is “broken”. It’s not… it’s still being updating. It’s still a work in progress. It’s not a fully polished finished product. On the subject of people paying for the game… I completely agree that they have the right to be more upset than anyone, but again… YOU paid for it on your own. No one forced you to buy anything. Not saying that you are dumb for buying anything just saying you are paying for stuff in a unfinished game. Understand that you will be disappointed when something like this happens. It DID happen and now everyone’s attitude is… xxxx this game and the devs they need to fix it now because I bought something completely on my own accord. It is NOT their fault. Like I said, they are trying to improve the game. I play this game everyday and I really like it. I support the idea of this game, but I also understand that it is not finished and so I will not be paying anything until it is. They released it to the public to be their testing ground basically, and that’s totally cool… lots of games do that. But I made the decision to not pay for anything until it is completely polished for the sake of not going through what people are calling ‘being burned’ and what not. That’s all I’m saying. You have a right to be upset about the patch when something changes that affects the game drastically. What I don’t think people have the right to do is completely bash the game and say it ruined because they put their money into it and now it’s not working the way they want it to. That to me is like choosing to eat somewhere free, donating money to their cause, then being upset that they didn’t cook it exactly to your specifications. I don’t know… maybe if I spent money on it I would understand what everyone is feeling, I guess thats the difference, and why I am still having a blast with this game.
@ThePhatBandit, you really think you’re speacial do you?
Why do we take things so seriously? Why do YOU take US so seriously!?
Try to get the Message of a text, not only the feelings.
I don’t understand what you are trying to say. Sarcasm doesn’t come across well in text.
My god some of the people in this game sound like spoiled 10 year olds. This is a beta and you are a tester. Whether you payed for DLC or not you’re still testing a BETA game. The Devs are going to put in changes that need to be tested, and that’s your job as a tester. There are a few people in this thread, like Jaridan above me, who seem to understand that; however, there are also the prepubescent kids “threatening” the Devs with loss of players if things aren’t “fixed”. I really think some of you need to sort out the priorities of beta testing a game, stop whining, report problems you see without all of the attitude, and continue to TEST the game…
Looks to me you don’t know what beta test is, more even open Beta.
In Beta you already have all core game mechanics, UI and content set up in strict place. All you do is catch bugs and polish balance of items/specs/setups.
You do not drasticaly change gameplay mechanics, you do not develop new stuff and add it to current release as it goes. All that new xxxx should go to 1.1 or 1.0.1 at least and tested after 1.0 release
What you desrcibe and what we have is Alfa, when you just made engine and try different stuff. What we got in this project? Ready to go UI? Don’t think so. Solid mechanics design? No. Finished content? Nada
“I am not a kid, I don’t want to waste my time on project so raw when it was presented as almost finished.” That’s how a lot of people think right now. When this people quit you’ll have your playerbase go down 2 times again. They plan to return, but when things are less messy.
Last patch is awful to say the least. With current system even in same tier(2nd for example) rank 4 ship has lesser modules than 6r, lower stats, basic class module, and only 4 implants against 6. This alone makes such ships significantly less viable. Compare two adjacent tiers - and low tier is worthless. You can beat t2 ship with t1, okay. But if t2 pilot is not a full idiot you’ll have to catch him with pants down. Balance? forget about it. looks more like a hotfix to reduce wait times by piling all tiers together.
All ships have mk1 installed with added price? Bad idea. You devs made contract system and spread items through factions so if player wants to be effective in said tier he has to open all factions to certain level. Many people advance like 3/3/3/3/3/3 then 6/6/6/6/6/6 etc. so, why should they waste a lot of money for modules they don’t need? More so, you have 3 ships in each tier for each class and for each faction. How much modules/guns you need from that pile? 30% at best, more like 15%. Tons of wasted money. If player bought ship he will put modules in anyway. If you want to help - create packages of mk I and mk II gear for role/class and sell them separately.
Looks to me you don’t know what beta test is, more even open Beta.
In Beta you already have all core game mechanics, UI and content set up in strict place. All you do is catch bugs and polish balance of items/specs/setups.
This is another issue that needs to be addressed. I looked up the definition for beta test:
beta test
noun
1.Psychology . a set of mental tests designed to measure the general intelligence of individuals unableto read and write adequately or at all, used by the U.S. Army in World War I.
2.Computers. a quality-control technique in which hardware or software is subjected to trial in the environment for which it was designed, usually after debugging by the manufacturer and immediately prior to marketing. Compare alpha test.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beta+test
I think you can translate that a lot of ways… but I see it as a testing ground period. It is not specifying anything other than AFTER debugging (which is the opposite of what you state above)… but before what? UI setup? Solid mechanics designs? It does not specify so to me that means… yes they will test out ALL of those things you mentioned.
This is another issue that people seem to have. No one really knows what it means for a game to be in beta. We are in fact beta testing this game and I believe they can change anything drastically while we are doing so. The point is… THIS GAME IS NOT FINISHED. Accept that and understand that patches like this will continue to happen while they decide on what they decide on. In the meantime, play the game and let them know what you think is a problem… minus the bashing and hate. It’s that easy!
This is another issue that needs to be addressed. I looked up the definition for beta test:
beta test
noun
1.Psychology . a set of mental tests designed to measure the general intelligence of individuals unableto read and write adequately or at all, used by the U.S. Army in World War I.
2.Computers. a quality-control technique in which hardware or software is subjected to trial in the environment for which it was designed, usually after debugging by the manufacturer and immediately prior to marketing. Compare alpha test.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beta+test
I think you can translate that a lot of ways… but I see it as a testing ground period. It is not specifying anything other than AFTER debugging (which is the opposite of what you state above)… but before what? UI setup? Solid mechanics designs? It does not specify so to me that means… yes they will test out ALL of those things you mentioned.
This is another issue that people seem to have. No one really knows what it means for a game to be in beta. We are in fact beta testing this game and I believe they can change anything drastically while we are doing so. The point is… THIS GAME IS NOT FINISHED. Accept that and understand that patches like this will continue to happen while they decide on what they decide on. In the meantime, play the game and let them know what you think is a problem… minus the bashing and hate. It’s that easy!
Are you trolling me?
If not then you should learn not to simply read , but to understand, or at least don’t reap words out of context.
“2.Computers. a quality-control technique in which hardware or software is subjected to trial in the environment for which it was designed, usually after debugging by the manufacturer and immediately prior to marketing. Compare alpha test.”
So, It’s just as I said. It means game must be already pass alpha where it was debugged by developers and should be an almost finished product ready to sell. Of course, manufacturer can call beta anything he wants and sell unfinished product too. but definitions that you quoted are what they are - definitions and by them this is not beta. And yeah, this game is not finished, i know . Thing is PR yelled “Open Beta!” to lure players in, or what, you think many people will spend money/time for late alpha/pre beta?
Addition:
Look at ARMA III they are more honest at that. I know that this game needs a lot of tweaks and patches, in general it’s still a mess in many aspects( with interesting ideas though). So let us be honest and call things for what they are.
Of course we are reading the feedback, but again this topic is not for flames and bug reports.
We will do our best to find a solution.
Error, thank you for the response. As you can tell many of us are very upset. Approximately 50% of the players voted against this last week.
My solution to the problem is to change match making back to the way it was. Then put this new Mixed Matching as a new game mode, then go from there. It fixes this mess that has happened and those who WANT to play mixed tiers will give you feedback on how to fix it. Those who could care less to have mixed tiers will just play regular arcade.
This is my opinion on it.
Stopped watching after you said full squads are free. They only were for a couple of hours. Try and keep up.
Of course we are reading the feedback, but again this topic is not for flames and bug reports.
We will do our best to find a solution.
error you should be proud of your players here. from my 10 years of online gamin experience,this community is most constructive and least flammable.
just 1 day of flames in wot forum due to a good patch has more flame than whole development time of SC.
anyways glad to know that you guys reading. i have a poll of what users wants: please use it wisely.
[http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/18924-this-patch-is-catastrophic-failure-can-lead-to-death-of-this-game-lets-save-star-conflict/](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/18924-this-patch-is-catastrophic-failure-can-lead-to-death-of-this-game-lets-save-star-conflict/)
HUD is messy
Ceptors are still broken
Rep is still a grind
Congratulations on making a once great game that is now clearly dictated by bankroll.
You have lost a great deal of loyal players, including me now since the licence i bought just before you broke my toy has only a couple of days left on it, so that was money wasted thanks, including the vast majority of my Corp (EVO) which has knocked us off the top spot in PVP since we no longer give a crap about it and made us highly inactive.
Guys, nearly EVERYONE was happy with the PERFECT game you made before the game breaking patch came in. Stop trying to fix it, go back to where you were before for the love of all your fans!
Or don’t.
But if you don’t i can almost guarantee this game will die very quickly. It certainly won’t have many players that stay loyal, that is for sure.
Look at the stats. You were hiding your game away and it got several hundred people playing it giving you money, you placed it on Steam without advertising it and you attracted THOUSANDS of people, those people were buying things in micro transactions all the time and were loving the game, you bring in the patch, game population dies again and people are unwiling to invest money into a game that is xxxx with potential.
I don’t care if i come accross as a knobhead here.
I am:
A) Really pissed off i bought a licence that has been completely wasted for it’s entire duration since you broke the game
B) Really pissed off that this game was almost perfect then you fucked it all up
C) Really pissed off you are STILL trying to do other things, ignoring the elephant in the room
D) Really pissed my Corp has died because of your changes
E) Quitting the game
F) Bored of the excuse that it is in BETA. If there are micro transactions, it isn’t BETA
G) Boycotting the game entirely, in addition to telling everyone i know how xxxx it is, indefinately unless things change before the end of the month
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Error, thank you for the response. As you can tell many of us are very upset. Approximately 50% of the players voted against this last week.
My solution to the problem is to change match making back to the way it was. Then put this new Mixed Matching as a new game mode, then go from there. It fixes this mess that has happened and those who WANT to play mixed tiers will give you feedback on how to fix it. Those who could care less to have mixed tiers will just play regular arcade.
melikes, make it a option, not a must.
Would be neat if the option was like:
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Stock build = Hull price
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Standard build = Hull price + Mk1 items price
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Upgraded build = Hull price + Mk 2 items price
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Prem build = Hull price + Galactic standard item price
Wow brain, thanks for this idea! 
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You were flying on a T2 ship while your rank is 12. You need to fly T4 in order to get max reputation
Did he just waited 23 min to get into a tech 2 game?
Did he just waited 23 min to get into a tech 2 game?
Nope, first is T4/T3 as you can see with ships in slots.
Did he just waited 23 min to get into a tech 2 game?
I didnt succeed to get in a T3/T4 match all the morning (Longest timer was like 30mn)…