Sadly, stopping with the game.

On the subject of the so-called “crybabies”, I put more value to their opinion than a thousand official reviews on official review sites and/or in official publications. Why? Because we live in an age where game companies actively lie to us.

 

We are lied to about quality of product. We are lied to about DRM. We are lied to when we are told they didn’t remove a chunk of the game just to sell it back to us at £10 a pop. Pirates get a better version of some games than legal customers, and legal customers get treated like pirates.

 

There is no reason to believe anything a company says, because odds are everything they say goes through a marketing filter to try and paint themselves in the best possible light. Notice now no games company can ever admit they were wrong? Notice how they never acknowledge their naysayers, or accept responsibility for financial failures or god-awful design choices?

 

Why, then, should I believe anything they tell me about their game. Why, for that matter, should I believe the ‘opinion’ of someone who could lose their job if they piss off such a company? Who can we turn to then if not review sites or the game creators themselves?

 

The people who are pissed off. Even now, years later, there is uproar over Mass Effect 3 or Dragon Age 2. Hell, I still get bile rising when I think of that piece of crap. But why? Why do I still get so angry at how Dragon Age 2 tanked the franchise to hell? I didn’t make the game, I don’t profit from its popularity, positive or negative. Why should I care so much?

 

The answer is simple; I loved Dragon Age: Origins. I sunk far too many hours into that game and I wanted to see it do well so we would get sequels. When we got Dragon Age 2 it wasn’t what I, or many other fans, wanted. Now we don’t want the franchise to do well because we don’t want more games like Dragon Age 2!

 

The same thing happens here. A lot of can see great potential in Star Conflict, but we have virtually no control over the game. All we can do is spend money or not spend money; encourage others to spend, or not to spend. When we appear to be driving people away it is not because we are malicious trolls who are trying to ruin a company for a laugh; it is because we strongly disagree with the company’s business model, their development direction or some other key aspect surrounding the game, and we want them to change it.

 

Let’s take it to an extreme. Imagine that I am a God and, with but a single word, I could convince 90% of this game’s playerbase to uninstall and never return. I guarantee you that if I were to post “I don’t like lasers being red - they should be green” that next week’s patch would give us green lasers. But I am not a God, and I cannot sway you all in that fashion… but collectively, we can achieve the same thing. In theory, at least, we can unite to decide whether a game lives or dies. If 90% of the community logged out for a fortnight in protest over a change, that change would be undone. It would have to be; the alternative is for the game to die.

 

We rant, then, because it is our only weapon. We rant because we see a fundamental flaw in what should be a great game, and we want to convince the developers to fix that flaw. Our only hope of doing this is to watch the evolution of the game and act accordingly; encourage people to play when it is good, drive them away when it is bad.

 

If the game dies because of that, it isn’t our fault; it’s the developer’s fault for not listening.

 

I put 10x more value to those ‘trolls’ as well, since 9/10 times I find those defending a game have issues with tunnel vision, they only see one part of the game instead of the whole game. Same as Sim CIty, there are a few peeps that enjoy the game, but they dont see what the rest of us sees. I am still playing, I did quite for a while, and I dont like the new patch however, a CEO of a guild wanted me in his corp, After declining him first because I was unsure if I would play, I accepted, and I do enjoy the teamplay it brings, but the game itself is still very vague for me, well the game isnt, the developers are.

I’ve gotta admit, some of the prices for some things are a little on the high side. To top it off, the Pay2Win ships that are already greatly overpowered in comparrison to others are going to be getting more bonuses according to the news update??? What’s with that? Is this game just gonna become another Blacklight: Retribution?

 

From what I hear, it has already become very bad. People still sticking around are some pretty loyal people, or just new players, considering how much was removed, changed around, etc, and not properly refunded to them.

 

As a newer player who just hit Tier 3 ships, I gotta say, it’s not a bad game. It has a lot of potential. I’d just hate to see that potential wasted and the game killed in the same fashion PwE killed their own game, and is slowly eating away at STO with these $25 massive P2W ships as well…

the Pay2Win ships that are already greatly overpowered in comparrison to others are going to be getting more bonuses according to the news update???

News to me. What combat advantages to paid ships have over a fully upgraded credit ship? And what news update?

News to me. What combat advantages to paid ships have over a fully upgraded credit ship? And what news update?

Here is the news update that references more bonuses coming to premium ships: http://star-conflict.com/en/news/97/current/

As to the pay 2 win aspect of them, they don’t require any repairs, ever. They are available at earlier intervals than other ships providing bigger rewards earlier on (If you noticed the % that goes with each ship. The raptor Mk II has a 45% reward bonus - The Rhi no has an 80% reward bonus, and both are available at the same level.) Also, I can’t speak for every ship, but the Rhi no is a T2 ship with better stats almost all the way around than the Silent Fox, which is a T3 ship. And you can get the Rhi no much much earlier than the Silent Fox, and not have it cost a dime in repairs and come with max Synnergy.

That update is from a month and a half ago.

Cheaper repairs do not help you win.

Higher rewards do not help you win.

Getting a ship earlier does not help you win.

Fully upgraded credit ships also have max synergy.

Alas I can’t compare the Rhi No against the Silent Fox since I don’t own it so I can’t see its base stats.

That update is from a month and a half ago.

Cheaper repairs do not help you win.

Higher rewards do not help you win.

Getting a ship earlier does not help you win.

Fully upgraded credit ships also have max synergy.

Alas I can’t compare the Rhi No against the Silent Fox since I don’t own it so I can’t see its base stats.

Granted that can be seen as a valid point…

 

You are however ignoring that premium ships DO open up into higher tiers, or max for their tier, much ealier then credit ships. They often also have a much larger module slot selection giving one a marked advantage. Will they make a terrible pilot a god… of course not. But you put one of those in a decent pilots hands, an you can pretty much roll over 1v1 or even 2v1 encounters. Once you’ve aquired a high enough win rate to be pushed into T2 games consistently, try going back to a faction rank 3 T1 ship up against maxed top T2’s. Do that for a bit an tell us how the lack of module slots, an their subsequent active options, boost, and resists had no bearing on you becoming so much space debri on a rather regular basis.

 

I definitely agree with the idea that premium ships don’t make the pilot, but given equal or better skill to the premium pilot over a credit ship in the T2 and 3 brackets, it’s a clear and definitive edge. That said, I don’t think premium ships bonuses are going to be a DOOM and GLOOM issue. I’m fine in my credit bought ships due to tactics, skill, and flying with a team. I think those that find themselves any more then mildly concerned about the issue might need to take a step back an really think it over the issue as a whole. I’ve seen plenty of good pilots in good ships get mowed down simply because we had better tactics. Someone buying a “better” ship with it’s advantages is definitely NOT an “I win” button, but it is an inherent boost dependent on the pilots ability to put it to good use.

Hence why I bought only one Premium T4 Interceptor. I have the skills to use it. But those that complain the most, lack skills and are frustrated when the game doesnt baby them all the way to the end. 

Hence why I bought only one Premium T4 Interceptor. I have the skills to use it. But those that complain the most, lack skills and are frustrated when the game doesnt baby them all the way to the end. 

 

I will never claim to be the best. Just kinda decent. That being said, I can see the clear disernable difference between Premium ships and credit ships just by playing between them. I play decently with a credit ship, but I magically get much better with the premium ship in comparrison. As an example, I did terrible when I got the Fox, but when I got the Rhi no, I magically started getting double kills, massive assists and some decent killstreaks. It was as though I magically (And yes, I’ve been using that word to describe it too much) became a better player. Not overnight, but within seconds, just by using a premium ship instead of a credit ship.

This thread was running when I started playing months ago.  

 

Its about time it was locked.  

 

Most of these complaints are out of date.  

We’s be better off starting a new thread and give the programmers up-to-date feedback.  

This thread was running when I started playing months ago.  

 

Its about time it was locked.  

 

Most of these complaints are out of date.  

We’s be better off starting a new thread and give the programmers up-to-date feedback.  

 

If your going to troll, try harder at least, the thread is just a little over a month old, and the issues are still exactly the same.

I will never claim to be the best. Just kinda decent. That being said, I can see the clear disernable difference between Premium ships and credit ships just by playing between them. I play decently with a credit ship, but I magically get much better with the premium ship in comparrison. As an example, I did terrible when I got the Fox, but when I got the Rhi no, I magically started getting double kills, massive assists and some decent killstreaks. It was as though I magically (And yes, I’ve been using that word to describe it too much) became a better player. Not overnight, but within seconds, just by using a premium ship instead of a credit ship.

 

I have 3 Premium ships from 2 DLCs and 1 i bought myself out of curiosity and strangely i get all those kill streaks and double kills without using them.  Better yet, i made my first kill streaks inside a T1 fitted interceptor without the fitting i have today and using railguns ( for those that say these guys are crap ) .

 

Btw, continue to use your alt accounts to neg rep us for not supporting player babysitting into higher tiers.

I mean, technically there is SOME benefit to a premium ship, whether it be modules, rockets, and the synergy. But I have seen way to many people put more trust into there ship versus their ability to fly and aim with there dam mouse. 

 

If you buy a premium ships thinking SOLELY that it will improve your gameplay or make you better. ALT+F4 and delete your System 32 folder. Should do us all a favor. 

 

Prenium ships for those that have the skills to put them into good use (and maybe enjoy free repairs)

 

(Note that this comment reflects to no response directly with anyone)

the payed ships are usually pretty equivalent in bonusses to the ship on the next level, but usually slightly worse and better in little numbers (+ here, - there)

 

so, they have more reward bonus, because you can buy them 1 level earlier. you compared it with the wrong ship.

Actually you can play Eve online for free. I haven’t paid a dime to play Eve Online in like… 4 or 5 years… (Since they introduced plex) and I own 5 EvE accounts… And yes I have all 5 active at the same time and dual box across my 5 monitors.

 

Not a dime in 5 years. Absolutely free buying Plex off the market.

How do you make 2.5 billion ISK per month?

How do you make 2.5 billion ISK per month?

Well… from moon extraction to cap ship component build, from reverse engeneering stuff and building t3 stuff, boosters… others have exploited stuff for years until CCP found it out.

 

You got also the drone regions were you can build stuff and sell stuff…

 

Tons of possibilities, i did alone in around 1 bil per night if things went well and around 100 - 500 mil if not.

 

A good fight with a good ransom would be around 100mil worth, a very good scrap more millions as everyone craps his / her pants if you get a fix on a expensive ship and hold his / her pod in your hands in case the first round of negotiations goes bad…

 

Never had problems making money.

Hello,

 

I normally dont do this but because I see the potential, I have to.

 

I am stopping with the game after putting in 30 hours, 130 battles or so, rank 3 tier 2 ship.

 

At first, I liked it a lot, I was progressing with my faction, was getting enough credits in to progress and try out new setups and ships, all was good.

 

Then… steam license ran out, I felt like progression came to a standstill, no longer could I try to afford different ships, nor different setups because the credits income was very low, also the loyalty gains was getting sluggish at this point, meaning contracts were done within 30 minutes, leaving my me just with doing pvp battles to get xp/loyalty/credits that were just so low compare to what I was used to. This is the biggest issue, I was used to it. 

 

When I then checked the price, 11 euros per month, same as WoW sub that has 1000x more content, is an actual MMO, ( I put this game as MO, Multiplayer Online, if we call this a MMO, so is Call of Duty and BF3, they are not ) I thought what the hell, ill keep my fond memorys intact and not bother the grind, its not fun, goodbye Star Conflict.

 

If they were to put some more thought into the payment system, reward system, I would come back. You got these awesome ships, hello skins! People buy skins! Lots of weapons, make asthetic things for them for people to buy and a reasonable price, make models different by adding fins or something for again reasonable price, make things like this that people make them more unique, people like myself will pay for this, but paying for a monthly fee kind of cash, no freaking way. 

 

This is just my two cents, feel free to flame me or come with constructive ways to either agree or disagree :slight_smile:

 

I am guessing that you have been corrupted by the evils of the MMORPG genre.  Games like WoW make players do boring xxxx all day in exchange for a reward.  This is nothing but behavioral conditioning.  When players reach the level cap and do all the raids or whatever they do, they tend to quit, since the rewards have run out.  Without rewards, there is no reason to play such a game since it isn’t fun.  If there was no character progression in an MMORPG like WoW then no one would play it because it is boring.

 

I like games like Star Conflict, because the game is fun.  I would enjoy playing it without any progression because the game play is deep and fun.  I never bothered with a license and I don’t feel that the game has any grind.  Grind is doing boring xxxx for rewards, playing Star Conflict isn’t boring.  Often, I go and play my lower tier ships because it is fun.  I don’t agonize over getting low amounts of money because i can have fun with the many ships I already have.  Eventually i’ll get to try new stuff out but I don’t need to immediately. 

 

If a game isn’t fun without progression then you should quit playing it.  It will keep the game industry from brainwashing you.  If a game is fun with or without progresssion then don’t focus so much on the progression and just have fun playing it. 

So why is it people just can’t quit the game?  You flame on the forums and public chat but your still here.  Just go kids if its not for you don’t be the jealous lover. The game isn’t comming back the way you want.  Its time to move on or just keep playing.  But she aint com n bac

insert sad country music

Flame on the forums? Haha yea expressng key things that are going in the wrong direction is flaming… sorry kid, grown up world doesn’t look all white. As I said I stopped playing, then started at patch, and now stopped again waiting for the new patch, since it gets boring really quick. Especially tier 3 frig spam. 

I am guessing that you have been corrupted by the evils of the MMORPG genre.  Games like WoW make players do boring xxxx all day in exchange for a reward.  This is nothing but behavioral conditioning.  When players reach the level cap and do all the raids or whatever they do, they tend to quit, since the rewards have run out.  Without rewards, there is no reason to play such a game since it isn’t fun.  If there was no character progression in an MMORPG like WoW then no one would play it because it is boring.

 

Character progression is the same as ship and module progression. Getting better ships is a good part of the rewards of this game. Honestly the game modes get pretty boring after a while.

 

Also, corrupted? I play this game because it has the best combat system in space. The dodging and skill requirements are actually here in this game. As a faster class I can see incoming shots and dodge them. I’m a horribly picky person with games (Friends get mad when I dismiss a game after 5 minutes). The first day I tried this I got into a game, was losing horribly, but I knew I loved the game.

 

Three months later, I still really like the game engine and gameplay. The updates? They get worse each time.

 

I like games like Star Conflict, because the game is fun.  I would enjoy playing it without any progression because the game play is deep and fun.  I never bothered with a license and I don’t feel that the game has any grind.  Grind is doing boring xxxx for rewards, playing Star Conflict isn’t boring.  Often, I go and play my lower tier ships because it is fun.  I don’t agonize over getting low amounts of money because i can have fun with the many ships I already have.  Eventually i’ll get to try new stuff out but I don’t need to immediately. 

 

Grind, meh. It’s there if you’re really pushing progression. It depends on your mindset. I can play to progress or to just play. When you’re playing to win and just have fun it’s not bad. A lot of people expect to grind things out.

 

The thing is that it’s a grind compared to what it used to be.

Flame on the forums? Haha yea expressng key things that are going in the wrong direction is flaming… sorry kid, grown up world doesn’t look all white. As I said I stopped playing, then started at patch, and now stopped again waiting for the new patch, since it gets boring really quick. Especially tier 3 frig spam. 

Maybe you mis read I was talking about the doom and gloom post that say things like… fix this or I am never comming  back…  Then months later nothing fixed to their liking and their still here.   I also like how these same folks (and it seems to be the same group) think they are the core of the game.  Its still a new game, going to be in beta a long time. You are constantly being relplaced by other new players that like the game.  In the end its a team based game and pugging is always gonna be harder then running with a crew.  Remeber its not flaming if your giving constructive qq but threatening to leave because you don’t get your way is flaming and pointless.  Like it or not you agreed to the terms of service.

 

on a side note I am 46 and the world doesn’t look all white lol