Sadly, stopping with the game.

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#1

Hello,

 

I normally dont do this but because I see the potential, I have to.

 

I am stopping with the game after putting in 30 hours, 130 battles or so, rank 3 tier 2 ship.

 

At first, I liked it a lot, I was progressing with my faction, was getting enough credits in to progress and try out new setups and ships, all was good.

 

Then… steam license ran out, I felt like progression came to a standstill, no longer could I try to afford different ships, nor different setups because the credits income was very low, also the loyalty gains was getting sluggish at this point, meaning contracts were done within 30 minutes, leaving my me just with doing pvp battles to get xp/loyalty/credits that were just so low compare to what I was used to. This is the biggest issue, I was used to it. 

 

When I then checked the price, 11 euros per month, same as WoW sub that has 1000x more content, is an actual MMO, ( I put this game as MO, Multiplayer Online, if we call this a MMO, so is Call of Duty and BF3, they are not ) I thought what the hell, ill keep my fond memorys intact and not bother the grind, its not fun, goodbye Star Conflict.

 

If they were to put some more thought into the payment system, reward system, I would come back. You got these awesome ships, hello skins! People buy skins! Lots of weapons, make asthetic things for them for people to buy and a reasonable price, make models different by adding fins or something for again reasonable price, make things like this that people make them more unique, people like myself will pay for this, but paying for a monthly fee kind of cash, no freaking way. 

 

This is just my two cents, feel free to flame me or come with constructive ways to either agree or disagree :slight_smile:

#2

WoW is 13€/month and this is 10,49€/month

 

Get a job maybe? Or just don’t buy that sixpack on one day?

 

EDIT: WoW 6 months = 65,94€

SC 6 months = 37,49€ (and a little leftover gold)

 

Quite a big difference if you ask me.

 

Let alone the fact that WoW is xxxx and this isn’t.

#3

well my licence ended like week ago wasn’t really surprise by income loss since expected it 

and just ignore it played the game as causally no difference to me aside longer grinding for money 

loyalty thing change was annoying since just started only while i got over it since know this beta stage and played lot beta stage games and kind expected these thing like in betas

though loyalty change was somewhat needed since playing sub fraction became less important when had gear you needed and contract little purpose were point came to when started playing

get a job

#4

And thats why wow has millions of players and this has maby 10.000…

Man, your IQ is amazing!

 

Sad to see you go Jin, but i must confess, if they dont fix the loyalty gain by thrusday, im folloing you.

#5

And thats why wow has millions of players and this has maby 10.000…

Man, your IQ is amazing!

 

Sad to see you go Jin, but i must confess, if they dont fix the loyalty gain by thrusday, im folloing you.

 

Then go away and don’t bother others with such mediocre replys… invest 10€ in the game once in a while and have fun, i meen its not like Gaijin or whatever are forcing you to spend money, the game is in beta, i invested 10€ in it and i’m glad i did, 10€ are nothing for a game nowadays and thank you Devs for keeping the prices low, how much do you spend for eg. on WoT ? or EvE’s sub? Go take a look at the money you need to invest in these games in order to really achieve something, and both are really diferent games…

 

Let me clear things up, Wot for ex.

 

Premium Acc > 10€ if i’m not mistaken, still in order to be successful in higher tiers you need, crew 100% with perks and abilities, a good team ( lol WoT  MM ) , a bit of luck and some gold rounds ( again silver or gold but then again Gold shells for silver… auch in your income even if you win and make a profit ).

 

Then you need a gold tank to make money, lets see… SP… nope, T34 good but around 50€, Löwe? The same , IS6? the same, all in all you have just invested more then 10€ to get where you want to, and cut the crap about, oooh the game is F2P and you can play lower tiers thats were the fun is… just stop, newbie bashing or simply trolling in lower tiers is boring, the game is fun up from tier VI ( imo ) and upwards, granted you get the odd arty party and well… we all know were that leads us.

 

So again, WoT, Premium acc + some extras, thats more then 10€, in fact i have about 1000€ invested in that crap and now since i started playing SC i don’t even touch WoT anymore. 

 

Lets look at EvE shall we, about 14€ was that? I ran with 2 accounts and at a given time with 3, so 14x3 is… 42€ month ( around that i don’t remember the price that well ) … so now you have a ship… but no skills, OOOOOh you need time to learn them, implants help… crap that costs alot of ISK… ok lets farm, but where? highsec? boring… Production? you need skills, mining ? Forget it, with the griefers and high sec pirates you’d be better off in the drone regions refining stuff from the npc loot… oh wait, you don’t make that much more from it and its 0.0 region… crap, you either need corp or an entire alliance… or you live in the NPC stations and try to slug it out alone… until someone notices you.

 

So what you do? You can but GTC’s and sell them for ISK, alot of people do that… oh wait… 14€ plus what? Right… the GTC price.

 

So now look at Star Conflict… 

 

If you play well you earn money, the random scenarios give you plenty of money and decent to nice loot, contracts? The same, so… why are you complaining? Or get the steam DLC for more stuff.

 

 

All in all people complaining about the licenses, on one side is understandable and it could be reworked like 3 days licenses for galactic standards and then like 7 days cooldown before you can do it again or for a smaller fee… for ex. for the people that can’t or won’t spend money but want to stay and play.

 

And most important, in the begining most games were Sub MMos, and they were fine, imo this F2P crap has ruined the market quality a bit and spoiled players alot, imo the devs “gave” you a good game wich you can play for free, thats right for free, the least people could do now and then is saying thanks by giving up 10€ for a game that is in beta, has a nice relation , so far , in between devs and comunity and will grow given time and support.

 

Comparing a game that just came out to WoW , WoT, EvE is kinda… uh… dumb perhaps? these are games that spawn back to 2003 or something and came a long road to nowadays… and even then not without bumps and some scandals along the road.

 

People , in fact, the new player bases are becoming very very spoiled nowadays, quite a shame to see this. 

#6

Ontop, they are not even really spoiled, most of these “new players” don’t know a descent or freespace, never touched a system shock or neocron

 

Most of these new gamers arent just spoiled by easy skinner box games(cod and alikes), they dont even know some quality gameplay if it slaps their face with a spacestation :wink:

 

*edit*

Btw the ability to buy licenses for ingame currency(alot of it) would be awesome

#7

Ontop, they are not even really spoiled, most of these “new players” don’t know a descent or freespace, never touched a system shock or neocron

 

Most of these new gamers arent just spoiled by easy skinner box games(cod and alikes), they dont even know some quality gameplay if it slaps their face with a spacestation :wink:

 

*edit*

Btw the ability to buy licenses for ingame currency(alot of it) would be awesome

 

That could be done, or like a reward for filling up an X ammount of contracts successfully extending your license for 1 day for example, reaching a certain rep with 1 faction 1 time giving you 3 days, like small stuff with ingame items but without hurting both the playerbase and the software house.

 

I just have to shake my head everytime someone says that they don’t want to pay for a game that they knew from the start that will involve a give ammount of investment either in money or time or both.

 

Oh… descent… , privateer , starlancer, raptor call of shadows… these titles bring back memories… *sigh  :01313:

#8

30 hrs in 7 days, Rank 3 Tier 2 in a week?

 

Thats very casual isn’t it? You can easily get Rank 3 within 2 hours! At the end of my 7 day licence, I finished the Fed Tier and was halfway up the Empire one already.

 

And bye Solo. Live up to your name.

#9

30 hrs in 7 days, Rank 3 Tier 2 in a week?

 

Thats very casual isn’t it? You can easily get Rank 3 within 2 hours! At the end of my 7 day licence, I finished the Fed Tier and was halfway up the Empire one already.

 

And bye Solo. Live up to your name.

 

New players don’t get a 7 day license anymore, but only a 24h license. Also the loyality numbers which you could gain from normal matches are not comparable to the loyality which you can gain from the current contracts.

 

I admit Rank3 after 30hours is bad. I for myself started 3 days ago, played 24hours and am already at rank 5 fed and rank 4 empire. But it is defenitly not possible anymore to finish a faction within 7 days.

#10

As I’ve said in another post, seriously??? You’re bitching about 10bugs a month??? And comparing apple with oranges??? And implying the main reason that the game has a small player base despite the fact that it’s only been out for six months, 2-3 months on steam, is because of the license??? THIS IS HOW THESE KIND OF GAMES WORK!!!

#11

That could be done, or like a reward for filling up an X ammount of contracts successfully extending your license for 1 day for example, reaching a certain rep with 1 faction 1 time giving you 3 days, like small stuff with ingame items but without hurting both the playerbase and the software house.

 

I just have to shake my head everytime someone says that they don’t want to pay for a game that they knew from the start that will involve a give ammount of investment either in money or time or both.

 

Oh… descent… , privateer , starlancer, raptor call of shadows… these titles bring back memories… *sigh  :01313:

Like those ideas…

 

Also those has been games that made you cry and scream, not like nowadays games pampering their gamers (high expectations for bioshock infinites 1999 mode)

#12

that awkward moment when people are comparing prices of a Fp2 game with a p2p game… anyone else see maybe the fp2 model isnt so f2p?

#13

P2p. Everyone have to first pay to buy the box before they can start playing. EVERYONE.

F2p. NO ONE needs to pay anything upfront to play. You want advantage, pay.

P2W. Don’t even think about winning or enjoying the game unless you are ready to pay.

For those talking about how a marginal increase in monthly fee will get you a game with much better content, you need to pick up some business classes and a marketing concept called differentiation.

#14

Did anyone actually read my post… at all? All of the replies have nothing to do with what I pointed out, suggested. 

#15

WoW is 13€/month and this is 10,49€/month

 

Get a job maybe? Or just don’t buy that sixpack on one day?

 

EDIT: WoW 6 months = 65,94€

SC 6 months = 37,49€ (and a little leftover gold)

 

Quite a big difference if you ask me.

 

Let alone the fact that WoW is xxxx and this isn’t.

 

I actually like WoW :smiley:

 

OT: There is a loyalty system in place already, if you log on day after day you get increasing amounts of credits and eventually some free gold. And as mentioned, this game is actually about half the price of most MMO subscriptions for 6 months. /shrug

#16

lol jin, no i dont think they did

 

theyr just here to troll

as always ignore fan boys and the world is a better place

 

oh btw ast3lan, i read none of what you have written. hehehehehehhe

as annyone with numbers in the middle of theyr name deserves :slight_smile:

#17

Quitting has nothing to do with posting on a official board to see if others feel the same way, in the hopes they improve it by listening. Sadly, it seems 90% here doesn’t get what I mean, which is sadly all to common in a F2P game when it comes to its community. Paying for a sub might be cheaper, but you shouldnt be having to sub in the first place, subbing is a bonus, not a necessity that it is at the moment. You should spend money in a F2P game for either a bonus or aesthetic. Well the good ones anyway, like LoL, isnt punishing, you get shiny new hero with all its uniqueness, then if you like it you buy skins that alter things, THATS what I would spend my money at, no need to get the bonus since I don’t feel punished, unlike this game (and PS2 aswell btw if you dont have sub/boost, also a crawl then )

#18

Then go away and don’t bother others with such mediocre replys… invest 10€ in the game once in a while and have fun, i meen its not like Gaijin or whatever are forcing you to spend money, the game is in beta, i invested 10€ in it and i’m glad i did, 10€ are nothing for a game nowadays and thank you Devs for keeping the prices low, how much do you spend for eg. on WoT ? or EvE’s sub? Go take a look at the money you need to invest in these games in order to really achieve something, and both are really diferent games…

 

Let me clear things up, Wot for ex.

 

Premium Acc > 10€ if i’m not mistaken, still in order to be successful in higher tiers you need, crew 100% with perks and abilities, a good team ( lol WoT  MM ) , a bit of luck and some gold rounds ( again silver or gold but then again Gold shells for silver… auch in your income even if you win and make a profit ).

 

Then you need a gold tank to make money, lets see… SP… nope, T34 good but around 50€, Löwe? The same , IS6? the same, all in all you have just invested more then 10€ to get where you want to, and cut the crap about, oooh the game is F2P and you can play lower tiers thats were the fun is… just stop, newbie bashing or simply trolling in lower tiers is boring, the game is fun up from tier VI ( imo ) and upwards, granted you get the odd arty party and well… we all know were that leads us.

 

So again, WoT, Premium acc + some extras, thats more then 10€, in fact i have about 1000€ invested in that crap and now since i started playing SC i don’t even touch WoT anymore. 

 

Lets look at EvE shall we, about 14€ was that? I ran with 2 accounts and at a given time with 3, so 14x3 is… 42€ month ( around that i don’t remember the price that well ) … so now you have a ship… but no skills, OOOOOh you need time to learn them, implants help… crap that costs alot of ISK… ok lets farm, but where? highsec? boring… Production? you need skills, mining ? Forget it, with the griefers and high sec pirates you’d be better off in the drone regions refining stuff from the npc loot… oh wait, you don’t make that much more from it and its 0.0 region… crap, you either need corp or an entire alliance… or you live in the NPC stations and try to slug it out alone… until someone notices you.

 

So what you do? You can but GTC’s and sell them for ISK, alot of people do that… oh wait… 14€ plus what? Right… the GTC price.

 

So now look at Star Conflict… 

 

If you play well you earn money, the random scenarios give you plenty of money and decent to nice loot, contracts? The same, so… why are you complaining? Or get the steam DLC for more stuff.

 

 

All in all people complaining about the licenses, on one side is understandable and it could be reworked like 3 days licenses for galactic standards and then like 7 days cooldown before you can do it again or for a smaller fee… for ex. for the people that can’t or won’t spend money but want to stay and play.

 

And most important, in the begining most games were Sub MMos, and they were fine, imo this F2P crap has ruined the market quality a bit and spoiled players alot, imo the devs “gave” you a good game wich you can play for free, thats right for free, the least people could do now and then is saying thanks by giving up 10€ for a game that is in beta, has a nice relation , so far , in between devs and comunity and will grow given time and support.

 

Comparing a game that just came out to WoW , WoT, EvE is kinda… uh… dumb perhaps? these are games that spawn back to 2003 or something and came a long road to nowadays… and even then not without bumps and some scandals along the road.

 

People , in fact, the new player bases are becoming very very spoiled nowadays, quite a shame to see this. 

Actually you can play Eve online for free. I haven’t paid a dime to play Eve Online in like… 4 or 5 years… (Since they introduced plex) and I own 5 EvE accounts… And yes I have all 5 active at the same time and dual box across my 5 monitors.

 

Not a dime in 5 years. Absolutely free buying Plex off the market.

#19

Some of us more careful with our money than to just toss it away at whatever tickles our fancy for the moment. This game doesn’t just cost $11/month unless you’re paying for the absolute basics.

 

Also, $11 a month adds up - compare it to other games that this is more similar to: Counter Strike (Free), Call of Duty ($40), Halo ($30), Halo 4 ($45), Freespace 2 ($10), Free Allegiance (Free), Battlefield 3 ($25), Independence War 2 ($3), X3 Terran conflict ($15). Games right on release tend to range from $50 to $90, sometimes going up to $120 for special editions.

 

Playing this game on license for a year is like buying a special edition of a game at release, and that doesn’t even get into the actual special editions for this game, nor the ships you can buy, nor the badges you can buy, nor the weapons and items you can buy. This is just the price you have to pay to grind faster and play with friends.

 

I’ve heard of people dropping $200+ dollars on this game already. That’s the whole point to this business model - you bring in large numbers of people and sell extras to those willing to pay for them, and doing it in a way that it doesn’t alienate your non-paying customers.

 

Unfortuantely, $11 a month does alienate people, particularly when it’s absolutely necessary for the grind and when it’s the only way to play with your friends.

 

Let’s say you buy the basic version of this game (Mercenary Pack) off steam and subscribe for 3 months - that’ll run you ~$50. As soon as your 3 months are up, that’s it. No more playing with friends. Let’s say you’re willing to stick with the game for about 2 years and will pay the entire time so that you can continue playing with your friends but don’t otherwise buy a single other thing in the game: $284

 

Buying a single ship can add another $15 on top of that. Couple badges’ll be another $5. If you went and bought everything you could possibly buy from this game and play it over 2 years, you’re probably looking at $400-$600.

 

It doesn’t seem like chump change when you add in all the potential costs. This is intentional, it’s psychological. You don’t look further than a license price or the very basic Free game with reduced functionality. Yet while you harp on about how cheap it is, you’ll go ahead and drop a hundred or two hundred dollars on it. That is essential to this business model, it’s why they give you a license when you start, it’s why it’s free to play - they hook you, and then they give you all these ‘inexpensive’ options to buy, and after $5 here, $20 there, $11 for the month suddenly you’re paying x2 or more than what you would if you’d bought the game at retail.

 

And even better, this game isn’t even finished! Perpetual beta so that any problems can be handwaved away as “It’s a beta, what do you expect?”.

 

This room of apologists can go on all they like about how those of us with enough braincells to rub together are “cheap”, but the reality is that we’re adding up what we get, for what we put in, and the balance is heavily out of our favour. To me, it’s just sad to see people so unwilling to fight for a more fair pricing balance and structure to the game and professionalism from the developer. Something like paying to play with friends isn’t fair to the free players, and changes like the subfaction loyalty gain reduction are things that shouldn’t be happening in a game that is being sold.

#20

Well…this game doesn’t have a box fee, and I feel that even though it is beta, it’s more polished than many other games in released state. So, they need a small number of players willing to pay to support the game so that it can remain f2p. to the other 90%. Selling 1-off item is not going to make the cut because if it affects the game too much, it’s P2W. If not, people will still buy it, just not as often. Therefore you need to sell license to generate a steady revenue stream, and what you get from selling other stuffs are bonus. In order to do that there must be something that the license offers that player really wants, and in this case it’s the squad.

 

I believe people like op is in the minority. I’m not talking about fairness…the fact is just that for many, they are willing to pay for faster progression (me), or to squad with 4 friends. Offering the op what he wants would be like shooting themselves on the foot where there is less reason for players to pay for license.

 

Microtransaction is one of the source of revenue in f2p. It has a high “potential” cost. This is the business model…nothing “evil” about it. You choose to be sucked in or not. I choose for now to only remain on license, but would consider vanity item in the future after they fix the mess.

 

Yes, the dev screws things up too…and major changes like this shouldn’t be made without a heads-up or without considerable consideration on the impact to the game. I still hate them for the recent changes…but I still play the game occasionally.

 

It is a moot point to compare with other games of different model…it’s like saying subscription based or box sales is better than f2p model…or apple is better than orange.

 

F2P game always remain in beta for an extended period of time…it’s nothing new…don’t like that…then stay away from f2p until it is established a year or more later.

 

Anyone with enough braincells can see that this is another business model and how it will impact the bottom line with the changes that op wants (Anyone that pays attention in microeconomics can tell you that). The reality is that for most people, they are fine playing for free, and for another smaller group of people, we are willing and capable to pay USD10 a month to play the game.