They better get their xxxx together or I’ll leave for good.
Troll is fail. I have never seen the game that low. I’ll bet if I search your name in game that your playing right now. I just searched Jin Shepard and he has been offline for 12 hours which means he has been playing since he cried to us that he was leaving. Sadly stopping the game means your not going to play anymore. So what are we to think if you are constantly logging in. This game is awesome and the word is getting out so you can cry all you want to this game is not going anywhere. It’s also in Beta and you get to try it for free so you really have no valid points,
Yep, just checked and Indiox is in game right now. haha Troll is Fail.
Yep, I log in to get the reward then log out to play something else, You cought me, because I still got hopes they make the game worth while to play as F2P BUT when they eventually get smart and put aesthetic items in it or the likes of that they can count on my support, till then, no.
Still seems people dont get the point so perhaps I should just stop trying to get it across, only 2 in the entire thread understands it :facepalm:
you fan boys keep nonsensically arguing. The facts are that the population keeps decreasing and not a single thing, i will say it again, NOT A SINGLE THING THEY DONE ENCOURAGES NEW PLAYERS TO JOIN. All the other problems are trivial compared to that. The population now is ridiculously low going as far as 750 at times. They should focus more on that, and when i see them not doing that the only way i can understand it is as if they are doing as much money grabbing as they can before the game closes.
And before steam release we had an average of 159-450 players max at lull/peak times. And we made great bounds towards improving game. We don’t need 1k whiners and complainers, just some serious testers willing to contribute.
Btw not flaming, more pointing out.
Yep, I log in to get the reward then log out to play something else, You cought me, because I still got hopes they make the game worth while to play as F2P BUT when they eventually get smart and put aesthetic items in it or the likes of that they can count on my support, till then, no.
Still seems people dont get the point so perhaps I should just stop trying to get it across, only 2 in the entire thread understands it :facepalm:
Why haven’t you quit yet?
Yep, I log in to get the reward then log out to play something else, You cought me, because I still got hopes they make the game worth while to play as F2P BUT when they eventually get smart and put aesthetic items in it or the likes of that they can count on my support, till then, no.
Still seems people dont get the point so perhaps I should just stop trying to get it across, only 2 in the entire thread understands it :facepalm:
A lot of us actually understand your point, we just think it is a very selfish point made in a very butthurt way.
They have changed a lot about this game in the past 2 months, not all has been good in everyone’s eyes, but until steam release, we never saw butthurt complaining about how unfair the devs are, yet they have had the ability to buy GS since before I started.
So don’t think that you have privileges, we are all together trying to improve the game, not hate on it.
you fan boys keep nonsensically arguing. The facts are that the population keeps decreasing and not a single thing, i will say it again, NOT A SINGLE THING THEY DONE ENCOURAGES NEW PLAYERS TO JOIN. All the other problems are trivial compared to that. The population now is ridiculously low going as far as 750 at times. They should focus more on that, and when i see them not doing that the only way i can understand it is as if they are doing as much money grabbing as they can before the game closes.
The Steam Packages altough modest do say otherwise. If the game closes its because of people like you that spread lies wherever they write thus turning out potential players that would enjoy the game and pull more people.
You seem not to grasp the concept behind these games. The more players we have the better and pubilicity is made both by the playerbase and Software house.
What good does all the pub from Gaijin do if for every one their adds and Patch Notes and other advertisement with more or less incentives 10 from your kind scream all over the internet that they are out just to grab yer money and close the game?
So to put it into other words… what would you wish yourself in the game to keep you playing and possibly attract other players?
The Steam Packages altough modest do say otherwise. If the game closes its because of people like you that spread lies wherever they write thus turning out potential players that would enjoy the game and pull more people.
You seem not to grasp the concept behind these games. The more players we have the better and pubilicity is made both by the playerbase and Software house.
What good does all the pub from Gaijin do if for every one their adds and Patch Notes and other advertisement with more or less incentives 10 from your kind scream all over the internet that they are out just to grab yer money and close the game?
So to put it into other words… what would you wish yourself in the game to keep you playing and possibly attract other players?
lets see how about not dropping the license for new players to 24hs instead of a week wich is a standard in any f2p game like this, how about not do that the same time you make progression impossible Yeah that screams like a good idea, how about since we are at it not overcharge gold ships and license as if you are offering content that’s worth that much. MMhm lets see how about, and i might blew your mind here, how about…
NOT DOING xxxx THE WRONG WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND FOCUS ON THE SUGGESTIONS THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE ALREADY. No1 would have complain if they reduced loyalty gain by half, why ? cause its damn obvious it needed to be done. Yet they do something moronic. Its obvious you lack players so you dont go and reduce the incentive for them to stay. Its also obvious steam is your best advertising right now, you dont go around making them angry with said changes. Am i a genius? f no, this is common sense and realising they knew all this too is also common sense. Why they did it ? to milk money and cause they dont care its that simple.
edit: Also i dare you quote me on a single lie, im just not one to watch a train as it crashes. You know screaming might not stop it but you still do dont you?
Just for the sane people who read posts:
They made an error in a beta. They did a quick fix straight away and increased Contract loyalty.
And are compensating us for a week’s Loyalty lost on Thursday with the regular major update.
So next patch we’ll probably have even better loyalty gain than last week. Awesome.
Never seen this level of manipulative whinging before.
I wonder if we have a younger population than War Thunder and WoT? Maybe the first time through a beta.
This is an amazingly good beta, I am having more fun with this than released games.
Give a candy to a kid and then take it away…they’ll cry. I’m always in the side of not giving them any candy. Would had been better if they were mailed a 1 day license code after playing for a few days so that they don’t feel so entitled. It is a wonder that human exhibits different behavior when presented the same thing under different scenario.
lets see how about not dropping the license for new players to 24hs instead of a week wich is a standard in any f2p game like this, how about not do that the same time you make progression impossible Yeah that screams like a good idea, how about since we are at it not overcharge gold ships and license as if you are offering content that’s worth that much. MMhm lets see how about, and i might blew your mind here, how about…
NOT DOING xxxx THE WRONG WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND FOCUS ON THE SUGGESTIONS THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE ALREADY. No1 would have complain if they reduced loyalty gain by half, why ? cause its damn obvious it needed to be done. Yet they do something moronic. Its obvious you lack players so you dont go and reduce the incentive for them to stay. Its also obvious steam is your best advertising right now, you dont go around making them angry with said changes. Am i a genius? f no, this is common sense and realising they knew all this too is also common sense. Why they did it ? to milk money and cause they dont care its that simple.
edit: Also i dare you quote me on a single lie, im just not one to watch a train as it crashes. You know screaming might not stop it but you still do dont you?
The screw up the loyalty thing…I’m piss too… you can find my angry post in any thread about loyalty. That aside, I do think loyalty gains needs to be reduced, and they could probably have done it in a better way if they actually spend some time to think. However, that’s 1 aspect of the game…there are many other things that I like. We’ll see how they handle it coming Thursday.
I don’t see a serious problem for dropping license to 24hrs. If you get piss on things like that…chances are along the way something else is gonna piss you off. The coincidence of that happening with loyalty chance is unfortunate, and only elevates the anger of most player. Again, we’ll have to wait till Thursday to pass the verdict on loyalty change.
On overcharging…how much would it be cheap enough to be considered a fair price? There isn’t going to be one because everyone values their money differently. To a cheap person or a kid who spends all his pocket money on other things, charging USD1 for a premium ship is overcharging. You get a ship or 1 month license for USD10…if I recall correctly, it’s even cheaper than WoT. Want to compare the content to a monthly subscription MMO? Sure, they offer more content…but none offers a fast paced multi-player space combat sim with progression that I can just log in and out anytime depending on my schedule. Future releases? Well…that means its not here yet…and which game in the market does not have an upcoming contender?
Just for the sane people who read posts:
They made an error in a beta. They did a quick fix straight away and increased Contract loyalty.
And are compensating us for a week’s Loyalty lost on Thursday with the regular major update.
So next patch we’ll probably have even better loyalty gain than last week. Awesome.
Never seen this level of manipulative whinging before.
I wonder if we have a younger population than War Thunder and WoT? Maybe the first time through a beta.
This is an amazingly good beta, I am having more fun with this than released games.
Though I get angry at the latest flop, I do appreciate the level of development being put into this game, and how polished it is in beta state. I haven’t been around long enough to know how the dev behaves or are they benevolent…so I can’t say much on that. I don’t quite buy the quick fix (though I have to say they are responsive), and I’m skeptical about Thursday’s update, and I hope they prove me wrong because I really like this game.
Also, this is a F2P…having a younger population unfortunately comes with that. I believe the population demographics is similar to WoT. On the plus side, it’s always entertaining to see kids trying to argue force their points across in forums.
Actually, I see the majority of players are aged from 14 and up with the most amount of people 15 through 20.
Its understandable in todays game world, everyone wants COD sytle or halo 3 style gameplay. Well this is a space shooter in BETA and it will progressivly get better.
I was considering leaving too cause they messed up the loyalty system. But I have a corp to fly with, and flying with friends on TS makes it fun as hell
lets see how about not dropping the license for new players to 24hs instead of a week wich is a standard in any f2p game like this, how about not do that the same time you make progression impossible Yeah that screams like a good idea, how about since we are at it not overcharge gold ships and license as if you are offering content that’s worth that much. MMhm lets see how about, and i might blew your mind here, how about…
NOT DOING xxxx THE WRONG WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND FOCUS ON THE SUGGESTIONS THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE ALREADY. No1 would have complain if they reduced loyalty gain by half, why ? cause its damn obvious it needed to be done. Yet they do something moronic. Its obvious you lack players so you dont go and reduce the incentive for them to stay. Its also obvious steam is your best advertising right now, you dont go around making them angry with said changes. Am i a genius? f no, this is common sense and realising they knew all this too is also common sense. Why they did it ? to milk money and cause they dont care its that simple.
edit: Also i dare you quote me on a single lie, im just not one to watch a train as it crashes. You know screaming might not stop it but you still do dont you?
Just to clear things up… saying that Gaijin did XXXX and that they don’t give you options is an outright false arguement, therefore you lie.
If you actually think about it this is a space shooter with a MMO component with progression features built into it, while i agree on the point that the licenses should remain by 7 days like at start ( and comparing to other games where you only get 3 days tops, this is infact , or was , a very very generous offer ), i do not agree that you should be able to reach the top tiers in the time spawn of 1 week or 2 .
If people actually think about it everyone in the beta, and we are not that many, at that progression rate will already have at least one faction complete and will have another at roughly half complete.
Does this spell fun? Or frustrated people that will cry constantly for the next Ship, the next content update? You see thats what the Devs at this point are trying to achieve, in the first place comes playability and fun, those are the things that make the game achieve longevity.
And as to suggestions, not all can be implemented, or partially, and others only at a given point … thing is and you people forget this, this is Gaijin’s game, they can ask for impressions and suggestions but thats just it, people also need to adapt and accept compromises when it comes to game modifications instead of expecting that everything goes “their” way.
Like platoons for example… 3 man platoons are ok, 4? God no. I bet the so called “experts” don’t have the slightest clue on how much a coordinated 3 man platoon can influence the outcome of a match.
Just as a finisher that will also “blow your mind out” so far all that you have ingame , even the stickers, licenses and premium ships, are way way cheaper then on any other F2P game on the market, you people are just so obcessed with having it your way that you don’t even notice it.
Just to clear things up… saying that Gaijin did XXXX and that they don’t give you options is an outright false arguement, therefore you lie.
If you actually think about it this is a space shooter with a MMO component with progression features built into it, while i agree on the point that the licenses should remain by 7 days like at start ( and comparing to other games where you only get 3 days tops, this is infact , or was , a very very generous offer ), i do not agree that you should be able to reach the top tiers in the time spawn of 1 week or 2 .
If people actually think about it everyone in the beta, and we are not that many, at that progression rate will already have at least one faction complete and will have another at roughly half complete.
Does this spell fun? Or frustrated people that will cry constantly for the next Ship, the next content update? You see thats what the Devs at this point are trying to achieve, in the first place comes playability and fun, those are the things that make the game achieve longevity.
And as to suggestions, not all can be implemented, or partially, and others only at a given point … thing is and you people forget this, this is Gaijin’s game, they can ask for impressions and suggestions but thats just it, people also need to adapt and accept compromises when it comes to game modifications instead of expecting that everything goes “their” way.
Like platoons for example… 3 man platoons are ok, 4? God no. I bet the so called “experts” don’t have the slightest clue on how much a coordinated 3 man platoon can influence the outcome of a match.
Just as a finisher that will also “blow your mind out” so far all that you have ingame , even the stickers, licenses and premium ships, are way way cheaper then on any other F2P game on the market, you people are just so obcessed with having it your way that you don’t even notice it.
a) i never said anything about my argument being false or not, i said quote me on a lie not a logical sophistry. b) you want prices comparison i will give it to you 30 day subscription on SWTOR is 14usd for 30 days ( not only that game has 10x+ the amount of content and player base, it also offers much more with said subscription); Vindictus (again 10x the content and population) 10 usd there get you access to the only few things that affect the game inventory size) the rest is only cosmetics; League of Legends ( again probably 100x the player base and 5x the content) 10 usd there get you any number from 4 to 2 skins or champions). All this comparison are done on the basic purchase no deals taken into account.
I could quote you many more, my point is the ships and the subscription itself are on the expensive side in a game that says is on beta, with a very small playrbase and low amount of content. Is the game fun yeah, is it amazing no, does it have potential yes. Since i think all has being said already there’s no further point in continuing with this type of post, it will only take 1 or 2 weeks to see where we are headed and thats as much as i will give it.
Edit: 1 last thing i had to take out of my system, who on the development department decided stickers was a good idea?. They are the worst customization possible. were paint jobs so hard? even keeping the templates and just changing the colors would have been 10 times better. Also why put them on the back and not on the wings were they are more visible?
a) i never said anything about my argument being false or not, i said quote me on a lie not a logical sophistry.
b) you want prices comparison i will give it to you 30 day subscription on SWTOR is 14usd for 30 days ( not only that game has 10x+ the amount of content and player base, it also offers much more with said subscription); Vindictus (again 10x the content and population) 10 usd there get you access to the only few things that affect the game inventory size) the rest is only cosmetics; League of Legends ( again probably 100x the player base and 5x the content) 10 usd there get you any number from 4 to 2 skins or champions). All this comparison are done on the basic purchase no deals taken into account.
I could quote you many more, my point is the ships and the subscription itself are on the expensive side in a game that says is on beta, with a very small playrbase and low amount of content. Is the game fun yeah, is it amazing no, does it have potential yes. Since i think all has being said already there’s no further point in continuing with this type of post, it will only take 1 or 2 weeks to see where we are headed and thats as much as i will give it.
Edit: 1 last thing i had to take out of my system, who on the development department decided stickers was a good idea?. They are the worst customization possible. were paint jobs so hard? even keeping the templates and just changing the colors would have been 10 times better. Also why put them on the back and not on the wings were they are more visible?
a) Learn to deal in facts and not in theories.
b) There we go again , i happened to be in SWTOR closed beta, you have any ideia of the ammount of accusations and crap that got thrown at Bioware? Do you know how long that game was in development and still left most people with a bad taste in the mouth regarding the development time it took and the results it delivered? Have you got any ideia on how much money was pumped into that project to see it now going the way of “half payed” “half F2P” ?
I guess not and thats why altough SWTOR stays due in no small part to the whole Star Wars fanbase it captured nothing more.
For instance EvE had for many many years a very small player base that after roughly 3 to 4 years started to build up and become momentum, it was a long process of trial and error leading ultimately to the game, in no small part thanks to the comunity , it is now.
How much content did it had? 0, thats right ZERO vanity items to be purchased for real money and the game is a hit.
Now we come to the core of the problem… Lol… you can’t compare this game to LOL or DOTA or any half baked Korean so-called PVP made with an excell sheet game…
Games like that thrive on micro-transactions , it doesn’t seem much but you do spend ALOT if you want to ride with the pros or… you stay casual and spend the odd euro now and then…
As to the issue of the ingame store items, you have decals, ships, more RP and Income (permanent!), Artifact scanner… the game is just starting up , what do you expect more? Post it on the suggestions then and wait for the patches, what is it that is so hard to comprehend that content is being added? We are exactly on the stage were the game can be defined.
Put more Skins in the ships? I’m all for it, either in Standards( time limited ) or Real money ( Permanent ), you can buy boosts for Money or ingame currency also ( forgot about that )
Lets see we have
Steam DLCS
+RP
- Income
( Both Permanent )
Bigger warehouse
Premium ships
Artifact Scanner for after battle loot ( +1 )
And some standards ( ingame moneyz )
Then you got more
Premium Ships
Battle boosters
Decals
And everyday you login you get standards until the 5th day or so were you get 100creds…
Expensive? How much do you pay for the LOL Creds? How much for WoT’s premium acc or vehicles?
And stickers are a nice touch, we could get skins also for example i grant you that, or perhaps in scenario battles some corp action were you could fight another corp for some game objective and having a 2 stage battle first with PVP and then with PVE and the chance for Epic loot and Creds reward for instance…
Like you said… give it time and we will all see how this game turns out.
The mechanics of this game at the moment are so simple I can only laugh at people spending RL money on this to “advance faster”. It’s the same xxxx in T1, T2, T3, with a bit more modules to use.
I respect the motivation of people who pay in order to support the devs, but tbh unless they add a lot more depth to this “space combat MMO” that is not only “fly to bomb/tower, get enemy in reticule, follow and aim with mouse, press M1 M2 123” I don’t see this lasting a long time.
You can’t even begin to compare this game to EVE, so I won’t. World of Tanks and WarThunder (2 most similar titles, I’d say, first due to grind mechanics and second because of dogfighting) have a much more developed combat physics system. This is a game for short “spacefites” but it gets boring quite fast (my personal opinion).
The whole “grinding factions is too slow even with premium” is subjective. But if I was going to pay for a f2p game, out of all I tried, I think SC is among the lowest ranked.
my 2 cents
TLDR; play or dont play, pay or dont pay, pointless to argue either on the forums. In 6 months time the number of active players will be the only thing to show whether Gaijin is on the right or wrong track with this game.
a) i never said anything about my argument being false or not, i said quote me on a lie not a logical sophistry. b) you want prices comparison i will give it to you 30 day subscription on SWTOR is 14usd for 30 days ( not only that game has 10x+ the amount of content and player base, it also offers much more with said subscription); Vindictus (again 10x the content and population) 10 usd there get you access to the only few things that affect the game inventory size) the rest is only cosmetics; League of Legends ( again probably 100x the player base and 5x the content) 10 usd there get you any number from 4 to 2 skins or champions). All this comparison are done on the basic purchase no deals taken into account.
Any of those games which have a small development cost and almost non-existent marketing?
Any of them less than 1 year old?
Most important of all, any of those games allows you to pew pew in space in a 5-10min session?
So why are you playing this? It’s ok for someone to prefer those game over SC…but to say that SC should charge less by doing a comparison like that is just pure…well…I don’t want to use that word…but I can’t find a better substitute…you know what it is.
By your reasoning, I suppose you’re not that bright either because a single player box game cost USD40-60, and I’ve poured in hundreds of hours into some of them.
FYI Indiox, Vindictus doesn’t have a subscription. Although if you count the VIP capsule I believe it costs more around $15-20.
Also Vindictus is an intensely pve game with a much different play style then most other mmo’s. it’s genre of fantasy action mom doesn’t compare to Star Conflict’s pvp match system.
Another thing, you are just an idiot or intensely oblivious and are failing at trolling. You are comparing games that have been out for over a year, to a game that just got out of closed beta for amount of content. Go back to your bliss and leave video games to people with common sense.
I’m surprised how you compare this game with Vindictus or League of Legends. Not only they are entirely different type of games, which sound like you compare a car to a plane, but they are really grindy games if you want to unlock everything without spending money.
Vindictus is a PVE game and has tons of stuff you need to spend money on if you want them, and they also give actual buffs to your stats. Stats aren’t really that important in that game, but I was surprised at how much stuff you can buy when I logged in, and although I’ll admit there’s a lot of maps and monsters you can fight, it wasn’t like that at all at the beginning. I tried that game as soon as the open beta started, and there was only a few maps, no crafting, very basic fishing… And even with new maps and monsters, the fighting system still get repetitive, and it also takes a really long time to unlock every skills and options on your character. I played for 2 months and didn’t even manage to get the second weapon set on a single character, so I don’t see how the “basic” game would be less grindy.
League of Legends… Well, I’ll admit I’m a casual gamer of that game and not really that good, but after a hundred of games (which translate to months of playing for me, like I said I’m casual), which last much longer than the games in Star Conflict, I’m still not level 30, still can not participate in ranked games, still do not have all my runes, and only unlocked a few champions. The “basic” game is being forced to use temporary free champions until you grind enough IPs to get the champions and IPs you want. I’ll admit many champions, especially the old ones, are really cheap and really quick to unlock, but if you want new champions without paying, you need to either play a *lot* and not buy any runes which actually give you stats, or you pay real money. And I don’t see what you mean by 5x the content. Unless you’re talking about the champions, you always play in the same map depending on your mode of play. I play 3 VS 3 Classic PVP with a friend, and every game is in “Twisted Treeline”, every single one of them, unless we do a 5 VS 5 against the CPU.
Yesterday (in Star Conflict) I played for a hour and half and got around 25% of my rank 9 with Empire and enough credits to buy 2 Mark II items. I don’t see the grind in that, although maybe it’s much worse in T4, didn’t get there yet. The only *really* grindy thing now would be the loyalty, but they’re supposed to improve on that aspect in the next patch so we’ll see.
I can perfectly understand leaving the game because it’s not your type of game or you find it boring, but saying it’s too grindy or expensive… Unless you really want everything in the game in a week or two, I don’t think it’s that bad. But that’s just me.
I think that’s a valid assertion. Most, if not all complaints that I see seems to be the person just doesn’t like the game and making up justifications for it. I feel that many of them are probably new to gaming…which is not a problem. The problem starts when they start making up false accusation either intentionally or due to their own lack of knowledge.
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I can perfectly understand leaving the game because it’s not your type of game or you find it boring, but saying it’s too grindy or expensive… Unless you really want everything in the game in a week or two, I don’t think it’s that bad. But that’s just me.
^This.
No. It’s not just you. 