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Hello everyone,

 

There is a regulation since the patch where u lose 1% of ur maxpoints/hour (corp).

 

Its a very good idea but I think it would be better if u change it to

 

0-50member = -1% / hour

50-100         =  -1.5% / hour

100-150       =  -2% / hour

 

The reason :

 

If u check the ranking u will see corps like Space Invaders are rang 3 and they are 140members other corps with 50 members are in top 10 too.

so my problem is if u are 150members in ur corp u can 000000 ur lose and even win some points because EVERYTIME someone is online and EVERYTIME someone play.

 

I think I dont have to explain the rest.

2

I totally agree with that.

 

A corp with 50members cant compensate the lose if corps with 150members got the same amount of lose every hour

 

so u have to increase the lose for those MASScorps !

 

 

Ps : I dont complain about that 1% lose per hour I think its very important to have that but u have to raise the lose for massallys …

Check the ranking Corps like ESB (very skilled players)  losing places only because they arent enough members to compensate that while spaceinvaders with 150members is able to compensate that rly easy

3

I actually quite disagree with this. If these corporations with 50 players are in the top ten, then good for them. They’ve worked hard to get where they are, they have a lot of skilled players and can match up to corps double their size. We don’t need to coddle them or give them advantages. This 1% loss affects everybody. If a 50 man corp can match up to a 100 man corp, then it only makes sense that they should both lose score equally. If the 50 man corp was given less loss than the 100 man corp, they could easily pull ahead of the 100 man corp, even if the two had not changed their rates of acquiring score in the least.

 

tl;dr giving smaller corps less loss only gives them a handicap, not a level playing field.

4

basically u are not wrong.

 

But the problem is a corp with 100 members just play 50% more then a corp with 50players.

 

Just check the ranking and see what happen, those massallys raise and raise and raise while corps like ESB fall down constantly.

5

My point is that what you’re saying is exactly what won’t happen. Let me show you some basic math behind this concept, since you seem to be so fond of percentages.

 

Let’s say we have two corps, A and B.

Corp A has 100 members, Corp B has 50 members.

Both corps are tied on the rankings with a score of 1000 each.

Both corps gain score at the exact same rate, a rate of 100 per hour.

Now, before the loss update, they were always tied, no matter how many more people one corp had over the other.

Now, let’s factor in the loss update, losing 1% score per hour.

Because they have 1% less score per hour, we can effectively say that their score gain rate is decreased by 1%, while their max score remains the same.

Corp A had 100 score per hour before, and now have 99 score per hour.

Corp B had 100 score per hour before, and now have 99 score per hour.

 

Well, would you look at that? They are still gaining score at the exact same rate, leading to the exact same deadlock in score. This is true for any two corps of dissimilar sizes: As long as their score gain per hour remains the same (which it, by definition, does, due to them being so close on the scoreboard), then they will remain at the same rank. Corps will only rise or fall if they start to do worse in their games, or become inactive.

 

Therefore, having a flat percentage rate apply to everyone is the absolute most fair you can be with a mechanic such as this.

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Normally it should work on that way but if I check the ranking I see it dont work … because as I said they compensate it before they even lose it … we talked alot about that in our corp and we arent stupid :smiley: we know how it should work but it seems like it dont work.

 

Ps : Basically I totally agree with u but what happen in the end (ingame) is kinda weird for me.

7

What do you mean “it dont work”? It’s basic math. It works because the universe says so. If your corp is falling on the rankings due to this update, that’s only because you’ve just been doing worse overall as a corp. Percentages don’t discriminate. If everything remains constant, applying a percentage to everything will change nothing. Either other corps are just better than you, or you’re just doing worse.

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What do you mean “it dont work”? It’s basic math. It works because the universe says so. If your corp is falling on the rankings due to this update, that’s only because you’ve just been doing worse overall as a corp. Percentages don’t discriminate. If everything remains constant, applying a percentage to everything will change nothing. Either other corps are just better than you, or you’re just doing worse.

We dont fall in ranking we just stay at 1point :slight_smile: rang 10  ohh and a winrate around 80% …

 

anyways, we gonna see what happen in 1mounth if  those 150memberallys are 300k points ahead :slight_smile:

 

 

 

 

and as I said before, I dont complain about the losesystem because its nessecary to keep the ranking interesting :wink: just thought about a higher rate …

9

It seems this debate is done for now, but I couldn’t help but notice the cheeky bragging in your first sentence.

 

I don’t like bragging. Especially not your kind. As of now, I can almost guarentee you that you’ll fall to number 11 in the next few days to a week. My corp just rose from nonexistence to rank 12 in a matter of five days, and it doesn’t seem like there’s an end in site. The other night I hopped in a squad and went 40 for 2. That’s 95%, bud.

 

Since I can forsee a wealth of off-topic posts coming from this statement of mine, I’ll resolve to leave it at that. I’m done in this thread. Say anything you want, I’m not replying. I refuse to derail and risk locking this thread just because you felt the need to spout your own little statistics speckled with condescending smiley faces. See ya.

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Trying to justify the skill or quality of your corp with the in game rankings currently is fail.  I am sure there is a much better way to rank Corps but it would require corp v corp fights and new ques etc. I am just thinking OP your caring  a lot about something even with your change will still be meaningless. 

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It seems this debate is done for now, but I couldn’t help but notice the cheeky bragging in your first sentence.

 

I don’t like bragging. Especially not your kind. As of now, I can almost guarentee you that you’ll fall to number 11 in the next few days to a week. My corp just rose from nonexistence to rank 12 in a matter of five days, and it doesn’t seem like there’s an end in site. The other night I hopped in a squad and went 40 for 2. That’s 95%, bud.

 

Since I can forsee a wealth of off-topic posts coming from this statement of mine, I’ll resolve to leave it at that. I’m done in this thread. Say anything you want, I’m not replying. I refuse to derail and risk locking this thread just because you felt the need to spout your own little statistics speckled with condescending smiley faces. See ya.

 

40-2 is nothing to be proud of, let us know when you do 100-0.

Currently 49-0 myself and 2 of those games were against propably the best corp in the game (Zero).

Ofcourse there were randoms like SpIn, ZAG etc in the games aswell but they hardly count as any better than random players so.

 

I also agree that the corp rankings are crap right now, small corps have no chance to compete in them atm (We are #43 with 3 members and it is starting to get tough to stay up there).

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What do you mean “it dont work”? It’s basic math. It works because the universe says so. If your corp is falling on the rankings due to this update, that’s only because you’ve just been doing worse overall as a corp. Percentages don’t discriminate. If everything remains constant, applying a percentage to everything will change nothing. Either other corps are just better than you, or you’re just doing worse.

Some seriously has to polish his crystal ball. And bragging aint the point of the Post made uptop. its a sugestion to compensate for the larger Amount of players by a bigger margin of percentage dropped from a rating witch is actually a qubic function wich is not by definition simple math. But that isnt the point. The whole Suggestion was to differenciate quality from sheer quantity. Guess that got los in the virtual comparision of epenises for raping unexperienced players in diffrent gamemodes… Since it 99% of the time is the main goal specified by the game to get more kills and not winning by achiving the Missiongoal. BUT i am sorry for the off topic throw in. I dont think this whole suggestion should be looked upon as a matter of epenis comparision but more or less be a meassurement of more accurate epenis comparision. Any grammar and spelling errors are intelectual property and therefore protected by local infringement rights. Have a nice evening guys and try to keep it constructive.

13

Dont forget to talk about it :slight_smile:

14

As the leader of the most progressed corp on this ladder i will send my comments about it.

 

First off, our corporation is bored, and a change like this may make things funner for us. However,

i am against the idea because of the potential abuse that will come for it.

 

for example if the 150 population has 2% decay, then i will recruit to 149.

 

There is a bad misconception about population deciding the rank growth, its based on activity and team work.

 

alpha for example is lower population and they are gaining on us (as we allow them to partially).

so learn from them.

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As the leader of the most progressed corp on this ladder i will send my comments about it.

 

First off, our corporation is bored, and a change like this may make things funner for us. However,

i am against the idea because of the potential abuse that will come for it.

 

for example if the 150 population has 2% decay, then i will recruit to 149.

 

There is a bad misconception about population deciding the rank growth, its based on activity and team work.

 

alpha for example is lower population and they are gaining on us (as we allow them to partially).

so learn from them.

 

Talk about a biased comment lol.

 

Whoever think the ranking as they are right now are ANY indication of skill at all is simply put: an idiot.

 

WHEN they decide to make the ladders so that smaller corporations can compete on them aswell, THEN you have ladders that are actually some indication of skill.

But right now, it is impossible to get anywhere near the top with just 3-4 members like we ([8D]) are right now, and being a competitive player I think this sucks a bunch.

Highest we have been has been maybe ~45 on the B and ~30 on the F with just 3 of us active and that basicly requires ~12 hours of playing per day.

 

Right now as things are, [8D] Paisti absolutely dominates T2 Realistic farming everyone that queues it, some names include EVO, SpIn, DR and ZAG.

 

So yes, there should be decay on the rating based on the member count, maybe something like

0-50 = 1%

50-100 = 2%

100-150 = 3%

 

Also good joke Uhmari on that last bit.

16

for example if the 150 population has 2% decay, then i will recruit to 149.

Ohh thats why I told ya

 

100 - 150 members = 2% lose

 

and u wanna recrute 99 members DO IT because u still would lose 1.5% instead of 2%

 

 

ohh and the ranking is a big joke right now :wink:

17

Ohh thats why I told ya

 

100 - 150 members = 2% lose

 

and u wanna recrute 99 members DO IT because u still would lose 1.5% instead of 2%

 

 

ohh and the ranking is a big joke right now :wink:

 

+rep

18

What this game needs is “PVP Rating C”, which is an average of the combat ratings of all members.

 

There, problem solved.

 

I am not in EVO and i can tell you, Uhmari is a nice guy. maybe a bit full of himself but he IS nice.

And you’d act a bit like him, too, if you were the leader of the number 1 corporation, don’t act like white knights in shining armor.

 

Stay comfy.

 

Kyoss,

Bromada [COMFY]

19

What about if we talk about that problem and not about other things ?

 

its an existing problem if u would check the ranking and watch on it with a outstandingview …

 

MASS + I PLAY 24HOURS PER DAY = TOPRANK   

 

 

and to be honest if I watch some EVO members I can only say - where’s the skill u talk about ?

 

 

 

Ps : the best example for this is Evil Space Bears, they can fly like noone other can but they constantly fall down in ranking and why ? Because they are “only” 47members

And if u someone wanna say ESB is not good enough GO OUT and fly against them and u gonna see how to play this game right :wink:

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The PVP Rating C might not actually be a bad idea to allow a ranking where smaller corporations can compete aswell.

 

And +rep to Naw for last comment.