Mismatched matchmaking

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i have purchased a brand new stick to help beat this dead horse with… 

 

me and my friends have been playing this game for weeks, i am a T2 junkie. i just like it, it was fun but didn’t come with the costs of T3 but still had enough personalization to make me happy, and it has been lots of fun, i have told others to play it i have even spent real money to continue to enjoy it. but this… its wrong on every level. and im sorry to say if its not fixed within a day or so it will not be worth playing. but not only that the player base will only consist of those invested too deep into the game to justify quitting or worse… T4 fully spec’d players. it may be an unrecoverable loss and go down as a really cool game ruined overnight. so i intend to give them a chance to fix this but i will not be playing until something is done… soon. and if nothing is done… so be it. 

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I hope they figure out what impact this will have on player numbers.  

 

I’m going to keep playing and hope they fix this.  

 

I left Tanks because of its idiotic tier matching.  

I want fair games, I don’t mind waiting a bit.  

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Thanks for game, I’m glad I didn’t buy it, and feel sorry for those of you who did. I want fair game, without pay to win content, I had it. If fix doesn’t show you within week, it’s gone from my hard drive.

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is it April 1st?..rollback the patch !!!

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Change the system back or you’ll see 80% of your playerbase quit, which isn’t that large to begin with.

 

This is 100% bad and is not justifiable in any way.

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Another few dozen ‘mismatched’ matches, another post.

 

I got to the point from not really caring to actually liking the change. As participating in lower tier matches barely gives rep, higher level players seem to become rare. But even when there are many, the system does a pretty good job of balancing them. Why should I mind if the enemy team has a few of them, when we also have those guys on our side?

 

Another thing: The new patch made me realize that tier diferences aren’t so huge. Sure, it’s a disadvantage in 1v1, but it’s a team-game afterall. And it’s a highly rewarding feeling to score more than the grownups. Look…

 

mismatch_win_zps3fc2621d.jpg

 

(K, I might have made this post only to brag about my screenshot. But I deny that.)

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T3 and T4 have so much more modules available compared to T2, same as T2 has way more than T1.

 

Mixing them up is just plain stupid because of that reason.

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Will not spend another dime on this game untill this B.S. is fixed, bring the old system back or try again with new.

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I’m not a big fan of the new system, but I must say that for whatever reason I find my T2 ships (I use only them now) sufficient to rape most T3 and sometimes T4 foes. Including capability to survive lonely (frigate) vs two enemy T3 interceptors at some occasions. Assault plasma, propulsion inhibitor and minefield in case situation gets sticky. Seems to work just fine most of the time.

 

I mostly find myself dying when it’s like 3 vs 1 or above that. Otherwise I can deal with it or run to my teammates.

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I’m not a big fan of the new system, but I must say that for whatever reason I find my T2 ships (I use only them now) sufficient to rape most T3 and sometimes T4 foes. Including capability to survive lonely (frigate) vs two enemy T3 interceptors at some occasions. Assault plasma, propulsion inhibitor and minefield in case situation gets sticky. Seems to work just fine most of the time.

 

I mostly find myself dying when it’s like 3 vs 1 or above that. Otherwise I can deal with it or run to my teammates.

 

You lived vs -two- T3 interceptor pilots? I have news for you: They weren’t very good interceptor pilots.

 

And yes you can beat T3/4 with T2, if the T3/T4 pilot is terrible, outnumbered, caught with pants down, etc.

 

The fact remains the higher tiers have access to modules the lower tiers cannot get in any way, creating an uneven playfield.

 

That a skilled pilot can beat a lower skilled one of a higher tier is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, and people should really not post their anecdotal “evidence” that T2 can beat T3/T4. Newsflash: Any ship can defeat any ship, it’s all quite situational.

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Another few dozen ‘mismatched’ matches, another post.

 

I got to the point from not really caring to actually liking the change. As participating in lower tier matches barely gives rep, higher level players seem to become rare. But even when there are many, the system does a pretty good job of balancing them. Why should I mind if the enemy team has a few of them, when we also have those guys on our side?

 

Another thing: The new patch made me realize that tier diferences aren’t so huge. Sure, it’s a disadvantage in 1v1, but it’s a team-game afterall. And it’s a highly rewarding feeling to score more than the grownups. Look…

 

mismatch_win_zps3fc2621d.jpg

 

(K, I might have made this post only to brag about my screenshot. But I deny that.)

Have you seen a team with 4 Tier3 frigs and other without at all?

 

I just got that…

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That a skilled pilot can beat a lower skilled one of a higher tier is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, and people should really not post their anecdotal “evidence” that T2 can beat T3/T4. Newsflash: Any ship can defeat any ship, it’s all quite situational.

I can argue that pilot with considerably less skill can defeat the pilot in T2 if he has T3 full jamm packed with ECM. That ECM sure feels fun when you sit there helpless, being pounded by needler heavy plasma.

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Another few dozen ‘mismatched’ matches, another post.

 

I got to the point from not really caring to actually liking the change. As participating in lower tier matches barely gives rep, higher level players seem to become rare. But even when there are many, the system does a pretty good job of balancing them. Why should I mind if the enemy team has a few of them, when we also have those guys on our side?

 

This is exactly what killed world of tanks for me… why is it fine to have higher tiers in the battle at all? Even if both teams have the same amount, its still not a balanced playing field… its simply balanced in terms of chance to win for either side.  The higher tier players should and will do do better the majority of the time.

 

I got 2 of my friends to try the game today… and they hated it.  They hated it because of the matchmaking changes!!  Their main complaint was that they were going up against T2s.  And so they asked me to queue them up with my T2 ship (since they were going up agains T2 anyways). when I queued up with them with my T2 for 1 match, we went up against T4s… and another game with my T2 we went up against T3s.  They didn’t agree with the matchmaking and just quit the game, uninstalled.

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Have you seen a team with 4 Tier3 frigs and other without at all?

 

I just got that…

Oucs, I must say. Maybe they were a group or corp or such? In my experience the MM does it’s best to even the odds. Not that I doubt that such matches happen.

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This is exactly what killed world of tanks for me… why is it fine to have higher tiers in the battle at all? Even if both teams have the same amount, its still not a balanced playing field… its simply balanced in terms of chance to win for either side.  The higher tier players should and will do do better the majority of the time.

 

I got 2 of my friends to try the game today… and they hated it.  They hated it because of the matchmaking changes!!  Their main complaint was that they were going up against T2s.  And so they asked me to queue them up with my T2 ship (since they were going up agains T2 anyways). when I queued up with them with my T2 for 1 match, we went up against T4s… and another game with my T2 we went up against T3s.  They didn’t agree with the matchmaking and just quit the game, uninstalled.

 

DEVs should respond something quick! this trend will follow . I was very happy player 2 days ago and thinking about trowing some money here and every thing changed after this patch. I only login to see my ships in my hanger … didn’t even try to hit FIGHT! if DEVs aren’t responding soon enough you will be losing a huge spender (i threw 500$ into World of Tank last year , more when it was released.) .

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I’m fed up with the new changes to the match maker and the major limiting of rep gain.  It’s driving me away, and most of my corp of 30 or so players.  There’s no way we should have multi tiering.  Except for maybe 3-4, or one or two pilots with a higher tier ship.  I feel sorry for any new pilots showing up and having to fight tier 4 ships in their tier 1s.  They might as well go afk.

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Guys, they usually fix this stuff up every Thursday.  

 

Its a beta, they are trying things out.  

 

Make sure you fill out your surveys down the bottom right of the screen.  

They already know half the player base wants same tier only games from the second last one.  

 

If they release more often than once a week they’ll break a whole bunch of other stuff.  

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I just want to say that this mixed matchmaking is due to all of the vocal players who wanted “skill based” matchmaking.  In that recent poll some 25% of players stupidly voted for this option. Well, guess what, there are not enough players to support such an option so they had to mix tiers. This is why game companies have to be careful which players they listen to.

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I agree with the above sentiments. The poll we all took clearly showed the same tier of ships should be matched with identical tier ships. It makes no sense if a great player in a T1 ship fights against a great player of T3. Or if a crappy player in a T3 fights against a great player player in T2. I’ve played in games where there are T1 to T3 ships on my team and T1 to T3 on the enemy team. Makes no sense.

 

Also, the game takes FOREVER to start now with the new algorithm.

 

DEV, please put it back the way it was: T1 against T1, T2 against T2 etc. Let the players decide if they want to get better at the game and practice or not and choose which tier they want to play. This shouldn’t be like public school where the standards are lowered to the worst laziest student and you have the best students mixed with the worst.

 

Those of us that love this game and are also paying REAL money to play want it back to the way it was.

 

Thanks.

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Ok people, the internet makes us all faceless ageless users, so I’m just going to assume that my audience is made up of 12 year-olds and explain this plainly and simply (I know that fortunately this is not the case, but bare with me here). 

Yes, the game is a beta (even if in name only). Yes, betas are about trying things out. But the things you have to try out have to be SENSIBLE and have to, at least potentially, lead to an improvement. 

Let me use an analogy. Let’s assume you’re training mixed martial arts. Training is about trying tactics and strategies out, but you have to be SENSIBLE. If you’re going to “try out” fighting with a blindfold or with your hands behind your back, you’re not “experimenting for potential improvement”, you’re just an idiot. Before training MMA, I used to train Kyokushin Karate, and my gym had a few very talented juniors - some were national and European champions. One of them, Cristiana Stancu, was a multiple national champion, a brown belt and a European vice-champion. Her skill was far superior to mine, but because she was a 17 year old girl that weighed 62 kilos and I was, at the time, a 25 year old weighing 85 kilos, her skill could hardly help her in a match against me. That’s why girls don’t fight boys in competitions and juniors don’t fight seniors. That’s why there are weight classes. Simple enough analogy? 

The same is true for tiers. Your skill never really comes into play against someone whose shield regen is higher than your dps. What are you going to do, exactly? Use your skill to make them crash into asteroids until they eventually die? 

This move is obviously a shift towards pay to win, which would have been a clever, though dastardly move, if the devs had a xxxx game. But they actually had a great game (my friends more than halved their LoL playing time to play Star Conflict, and they were pretty hardcore players - a testament to how good the game was).

What worries me the most about this patch is that it clearly shows the devs themselves  have no faith in the longevity of their own game and are looking for a quick payoff. If that’s the case, why should we, the players, have any faith? 

I honestly haven’t found a game I liked this much since WoW, and I am SO disappointed it’s going to xxxx. So very disappointed. I can live with the hike in ship prices and loyalty mess, because I honestly play it for the awesome game mechanics - but those no longer exists now.

PLEASE - listen to your players and roll back the patch!