booo im paying for good work and done so and will do so again if im a satisfied customer boohooo
Boooo, the ugly head of wanting to be paid for work!!!
Hyperbole much ? What content is there currently in the game really ? Not much.
Still, I bought my licence, that is good enough for what this game CURRENTLY offers. It is even still in Beta and I already went the leeway to pay to support.
And what do people like me get in return ? being forced to purchase 5 € modules. This has nothing to do with being paid for work. These price points are outrageous and will only drive players away from the game.
Games seldom are granted second chances and once this is stamped as “pay2win garbage” by most players, there is no going back.
And believe that too ? I mean no special mistrust towards the Devs, however, could you explain why they are going to wait until next Thursday to fix this ?
And what about the entire lost week on people’s licences for loyalty gain ?
The fact that the Devs implemented this change in it’s current form in the first place, is a reflection of their intended business model.
They just painted a picture of them not caring too much about the long-livety of the game as long as quick money can be generated.
The money grabbing just reeked it’s ugly head, who can say when it will show again ?
This, but ignore the french frog, everybody knows the only reason he keeps vehemently defending this decision because it gives him and other veterans massive advantage. You’d be an absolute idiot to believe that a ship outfitted in MKII is just “barely” worse than the one in MKIII modules. Also, considering his “highly intellectual” retorts to the criticism boil down to “hurr durr, you’re a hater, you are a flamer” once in a while shows just how much worth his opinions are.
Concerning the “hot-fix”: it doesn’t change anything. I’m not going even consider the “there was an error in cool-down, next week we’ll fix it”, I’m looking at the results we have right now and what we get is the same as before the hot-fix.
You want to fix the loyalty thing? Good. Find a way that will keep everybody happy and implement it next week or whatever but in mean time revert to how it was. Do you honestly think that the people who are leaving now will be back and the people who are upset are going to be content next week? This is such a blatantly horrible implementation that left majority of people dumbfounded thinking why anyone ever though this was good idea. Just the massive influx of people who never even considered posting on forums should be an indication just how terrible it was. And for every single poster complaining here, there are 10 who are going to quietly just close their game and never play it again.
This what someone wrote (not in this forum):
I don’t imagine I’ll be playing much from now on. You can go ahead and remove me from the corp to make space for someone who’ll use it.
It’s because of Gaijin and their patches, but instead of ranting and raving, I’m just leaving. Sorry to say that that’s how most folks leave a game, and how games die; not with a bang, but a whimper.
The people who post the criticism are the ones who actually care about the game and want it to thrive, not “blind haters” like some elitist idiots (looking at you frog) would like you to believe. The worst kind of “fans” are the ones who sit with a grin from ear to ear and ear, eating whatever mud the devs give them and then blindly defend whatever they do just because they “like” the game. No one here hates the game.
Pew pew-ing is one of the incentive that gets many people into playing this game. So are the progressions of reputation and loyalty. Gimping any single one of them will have an impact on the game. Yes, this is simple behavorial science. It’s about incentives, motivation. You can have a good game mechanics but players need to put in 10 hours before they reach the next rank…that’s not going to appeal to the crowd very much because people wants to be constantly rewarded, even if the size of the reward is small, for their action.
Hence, any sort of cooldown, no matter how much xp they award is not going to work because once my big ticket contract is on cooldown, I’ll just stop playing until the CD is done. That means less players online at any point of time, and a higher chance that I will get hook on another game and leave this one. The key of any MMO is to have as much players online playing at any point of time.
Having no CD on the other hand won’t work because it will make gaining loyalty too easy. One easy fix is that the difficulty of completing it can be increased (destroy 40 ships instead of 20), and/or the reward can be reduced. The rate at which you gain loyalty needs to be balanced out against some bench mark, maybe like 10k loyalty per hour at rank 6 or something along that line. In summary, seeing that you don’t improve on one of the main aspect of “character” development after a game is a big let down.
I too am not buying the “there was an error in cool-down, next week we’ll fix it” story. They removed loyalty gain on 21st. Then on 22nd they tried to fix it. I would say that it could be greed that motivated the removal of loyalty gain from combat, and on 22nd they try to address it. Kudos for responding to the community’s complaints, but still…it was greed that got you here in the first place As for the cover story, it doesn’t address how they intended to address the issue at all…for all we know…they could be planning to remove the CD totally, or just cut if by half (which I don’t think solves anything).
To gaijin, players react to blunders pretty quickly and aggresively…and we don’t have patience for slow gradual fix. I’m sure you know that.
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Actually dkay I am also one of those people who left the game.
If people actually posted on forums just because they care about a game they would a) read patch notes first
b) stop repeating the same thing over and over and over
c) actually bring forth constructive critisism
d) not post their hate for “money-grabbing devs”. These kinds of comments don’t help anyone.
90% of the people here just want to enforce their self-pity by telling everyone how horrible the world is or feel some sort of importance by being able to tell themselves afterwards “because I ranted and cried like a child they fixed it”. As for people who just “quietly leave”, those people have been planning to leave for quite a while and just look for an excuse to do it.
If they hadn’t they wouldn’t even consider leaving. That is just another way of trying to garner sympathy or pity because “I had to leave because the devs messed up the game for me. It had nothing to do with me, it’s all their fault, blame them”. If they really wanted to leave quietly they’d say: “Sorry but I won’t be playing much from now on. I just don’t feel like it anymore” because that is how they truly feel. All I can say to those people is that they are even worse then the ones screaming and ranting on the forums because they take the coward’s way out.
Yes I know I am being rather frank in this post. It’s because I am tired of this whole farce every single time I try to include myself in a game’s forum, I end up spending most of the time wading through wails of self-pity. And yes this post in itself can also be qualified as one of these since I simply can’t restrain myself anymore.
I don’t pretend to assume to know what the devs want, plan, can or can’t do. There’s also nothing more that I can do but state my opinion. Having 7 out of 8 pages filled with nothing but rants doesn’t help anyone.
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@Wazabi certainly that’s true. That’s what achievements and medals are for.
A good way to keep people interested is to push out the whole achievement thing. Currently they’re just silently ticking on, without you every actually ever noticing them. For many people this is cause enough to replace the silent achievements with the big loud “tada: you ranked up” and obviously they feel angry when it is taken away from them. To use the candy example: Don’t take away the candy without giving them the cake.
Achievements need to be pushed further into the lamplight.
Glad that someone understands :yes_yes:
+1
Ok, let us consider a few things…
It is beta people, if you honestly leave over something as small as devs trying something out you are a worthless beta tester and should be gone.
I support the devs in the fact that they are trying to listen to the community and improve the game in their own way at the same time. Very few people actually thanked the devs for all the good things about the update, instead you flame the devs for 1 thing, which actually just temporarily slows progression, and does not actually take away from the gameplay.
Yes they blundered, but be critical and positive, not ranting and selfish. I own all 3 packs, and seeing this attempt to fix their blunder, 1 day after the incident, is good to see.
Tldr, there are plenty of games you can go flame at, you worthless beta testers. This is a beta some if us are trying to improve, not just play.
+1
Benache are you a moderator or something ? Why are you constantly replying to everyone’s posts. We have all made it clear that we do not like the new loyalty system and you have made it clear you agree with it so I’m not sure why you are responding to everyone’s posts because no one really cares what you think. Realizing that we are still in beta I’ll bet they fix it. I’m not sure why you feel like this is your burden to bear. Your +1’s to the 2 people that agree with you is not doing anything to help the situation. Your not changing anyone’s mind. The new loyalty sucks and I believe the Dev’s have already said they will fix it which suggests that they are going to listen to the majority and not the minority, which by the way includes you. :bomber:
a) read patch notes first
b) stop repeating the same thing over and over and over
c) actually bring forth constructive critisism
d) not post their hate for “money-grabbing devs”. These kinds of comments don’t help anyone.
Everyone read the patch-notes, I don’t know what you are talking about. Is it the “we’ll fix cooldown in next week” are you referring to? A promise for future fix doesn’t matter, what matters is now.
No, even if the same thing has been repeated by different people for hundred times, it should repeat again or do you think everyone should just read one perfect post criticizing it and then not saying anything giving the illusion that only one person is dissatisfied? And don’t tell me about +1 button, that is the same as “like this if you want the Congress to stop this legislation or that”. No, if you want to have voice in a matter, you write the damn letter to Congress and not “like” stuff on fb. Even signatures have less impact than a real letter.
Most of the posts have been constructive. Even, “this is bad” is a constructive criticism which at bare-minimum shows that the person is dissatisfied with recent change and was happy how the things were. Not everyone can develop games and give ideas but everyone can tell when they are not having fun playing a game. Don’t expect people to write massive posts with multiple paragraphs outlining what has been done wrong and then giving long, well-researched and good suggestions how to fix it, it is not their job.
“Money-grabbing devs” is a great criticism, it shows that the players aren’t idiots and know what is going on, also shows the devs how much their decision back-fired and will be less likely to do such blatant money-grabbing moves again.
If people actually posted on forums just because they care about a game they would
a) read patch notes first
b) stop repeating the same thing over and over and over
c) actually bring forth constructive critisism
d) not post their hate for “money-grabbing devs”. These kinds of comments don’t help anyone
The latest patch not changes do basically nothing to change the current situation.
Adding your opinion to what others might have voiced already, is the only way (other than to just quit) to give the Devs feedback.
Imagine only 5 people would voice their concerns and everyone would stay quiet in order to not repeat anything, do you honestly think the Devs would take those 5 posts into consideration ?
Constructive criticism is difficult to apply to such a system change. Furthermore is it not the players job to come up with solutions FOR the Devs who are paid to develop this product.
I am sorry, but this reads exactly like money grabbing. How else would a change like this go through ? You cannot honestly mean to say they could not anticipate the impact of these changes ?
That would be just silly.
Also, what are you even doing here ? You quit playing the game, you sit here complaining about players complaining about terrible changes.
You do not even like the game yourself enough to have kept playing it before the changes yet want to forbid other paying customer to voice their concerns.
Your reactions reasoning is fallacy. People complain here because they care enough about this product to give feedback. If I didnt care I wouldnt have to deal with trolls like you, issue a credit card charge back and just not look back. That is what most customers will do.
The latest patch not changes do basically nothing to change the current situation.
Adding your opinion to what others might have voiced already, is the only way (other than to just quit) to give the Devs feedback.
Imagine only 5 people would voice their concerns and everyone would stay quiet in order to not repeat anything, do you honestly think the Devs would take those 5 posts into consideration ?
Constructive criticism is difficult to apply to such a system change. Furthermore is it not the players job to come up with solutions FOR the Devs who are paid to develop this product.
I am sorry, but this reads exactly like money grabbing. How else would a change like this go through ? You cannot honestly mean to say they could not anticipate the impact of these changes ?
That would be just silly.
Also, what are you even doing here ? You quit playing the game, you sit here complaining about players complaining about terrible changes.
You do not even like the game yourself enough to have kept playing it before the changes yet want to forbid other paying customer to voice their concerns.
Your reactions reasoning is fallacy. People complain here because they care enough about this product to give feedback. If I didnt care I wouldnt have to deal with trolls like you, issue a credit card charge back and just not look back. That is what most customers will do.
+1 I couldn’t resist. Yeah I totally agree with your post. It’s funny when you come to a forum and the guys with post counts in the 100’s get butt hurt when you say anything bad about the game they have been playing since launch. They can no longer say anything constructive, all they do is kiss the xxxx of the developers and every time the community gets upset about a bad decision they can’t help themselves. Guys were sorry that your brown nosing for the developers is so out of control that you can’t even understand why people are upset about the new loyalty changes.Have no fear we the people who are not stuck up the developers backside are here to save the day, we the people don’t like the new changes to the loyalty system and we the people are going to complain and stop playing until they make it better. We the people realize that through our complaining and no longer playing Star Conflict that the Dev’s will see the Error of their ways and make some changes.
This is really not a big deal at all.
Fly your ship with Mk.II gear (almost as good as III) and purple gear (better than III) and you will be fine. After playing the game for many weeks, you could free up some Mk. III gear.
Sounds like appropriate pacing to me.
Ok, let us consider a few things…
It is beta people, if you honestly leave over something as small as devs trying something out you are a worthless beta tester and should be gone.
I support the devs in the fact that they are trying to listen to the community and improve the game in their own way at the same time. Very few people actually thanked the devs for all the good things about the update, instead you flame the devs for 1 thing, which actually just temporarily slows progression, and does not actually take away from the gameplay.
Yes they blundered, but be critical and positive, not ranting and selfish. I own all 3 packs, and seeing this attempt to fix their blunder, 1 day after the incident, is good to see.
Tldr, there are plenty of games you can go flame at, you worthless beta testers. This is a beta some if us are trying to improve, not just play.
It is inaccurate to generalize all betas to be the same. The “traditional” beta is where the dev invite others to join in the beta before they officially release/selling the product.
Here, similar to most of ther F2P is there the game will remain in beta state for a long time for legal reasons (I think), but yet starts charging players for game features, and does not involve a wipe when it goes live. Also this beta is available to EVERYONE to join, and there is no NDA involved. When real money gets involved, yes we have the right to voice/rant our opinion. Bare in mind that it is us “worthless” beta testers that will have a greater influence in the future of the game and when we leave, good luck finding a match with your small “elitist” “worthwhile” beta tester.
This is really not a big deal at all.
Fly your ship with Mk.II gear (almost as good as III) and purple gear (better than III) and you will be fine. After playing the game for many weeks, you could free up some Mk. III gear.
Sounds like appropriate pacing to me.
This. +1
Scenarios grant you good money, and if you can get a good group and farm, u will be laughing to the bank.
@Maxx, Tycz and Dkay
Long story short considering you guys wasted roughly 1000+ characters to say the same thing:
+1 the perfect post and the devs will still know what they need to know by the amount of +1’s. That’s why there is such a system in these forums.
Also wazabi yes you have the right to voice your opinion and you should but most of the people here are trying to enforce their “right” to force change. Which is nonexistent. In the end the direction the game takes is still up to the devs, the matter of not enough players can always be solved by a bigger PR campaign while it is in beta. Best example are all the people who bought the steam packs right away without doing any research on the game whatsoever. What is important right now is figuring out what direction the game should be taking before advertising it in a grand way.
In all honesty though I feel the open beta has been rushed. These things are normally considered in closed beta.
Bare in mind that it is us “worthless” beta testers that will have a greater influence in the future of the game and when we leave, good luck finding a match with your small “elitist” “worthwhile” beta tester.
… U missed my point and rushed on the defensive. Ranting is all good, but one little thing and oh no it’s so money grubbing, lets quit.
THAT is who are worthless. And no, I am not an elitist, I feel if you rant without trying to be constructive you are not helping the game in any way.
I made a corp to help gamers, we don’t have a play minimum, we don’t have a efficiency cap. We play and have fun.
Did this mistake by the devs introduce an unplayable glitch/bug? Did it constantly crash the game? Did it affect your ability to play the game(notice I said play, not progress)?
And hey, I’m hit just as hard as you by rep changes. I’m not rank 12, and rank 11 grind is murder. But watching people complain about how unfair it is, how bad the devs screwed up, how much they feel let down, it’s all attention grabbing.
If you honestly can’t see that then I am sorry, apparently I am an elitist who calls people worthless. But I will still be playing, still be trying to help new players, still be enjoying the game regardless if a Dev screw-up.
In all honesty though I feel the open beta has been rushed. These things are normally considered in closed beta.
Sadly I agree. They rushed the steam release before the devs and server were ready. Hopefully they learned this lesson for when they really start PR campaigning.
@Maxx, Tycz and Dkay
Long story short considering you guys wasted roughly 1000+ characters to say the same thing:
+1 the perfect post and the devs will still know what they need to know by the amount of +1’s. That’s why there is such a system in these forums.
Also wazabi yes you have the right to voice your opinion and you should but most of the people here are trying to enforce their “right” to force change. Which is nonexistent. In the end the direction the game takes is still up to the devs, the matter of not enough players can always be solved by a bigger PR campaign while it is in beta. Best example are all the people who bought the steam packs right away without doing any research on the game whatsoever. What is important right now is figuring out what direction the game should be taking before advertising it in a grand way.
In all honesty though I feel the open beta has been rushed. These things are normally considered in closed beta.
Lol we wasted 1000 Characters to say the same thing. I guess you don’t understand how changes are made. If only 1 person doesn’t like something then nothing gets changed. So by all of us not liking something we have a better chance of getting the changes we liked. If you look at my posts people are hitting the +1 rep button which adds credance to what I am saying and no one is hitting +1 for your posts. I guess you could get together with Benache and you guys could all go +1 your own posts, which I bet with your mentality you will. :)wt Just another guy with a few hundred posts who is butt hurt because we see a problem and he doesn’t.
Lol we wasted 1000 Characters to say the same thing. I guess you don’t understand how changes are made. If only 1 person doesn’t like something then nothing gets changed. So by all of us not liking something we have a better chance of getting the changes we liked. If you look at my posts people are hitting the +1 rep button which adds credance to what I am saying and no one is hitting +1 for your posts. I guess you could get together with Benache and you guys could all go +1 your own posts, which I bet with your mentality you will. :)wt Just another guy with a few hundred posts who is butt hurt because we see a problem and he doesn’t.
While +1 is useful, I agree actually saying something (not too long and flame/rant avoiding) multiple times is more likely to be considered. Anyone can +1, but take the time to type something out properly and you gain… Not respect but more attention maybe?