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Let’s take a look:
- Microlocators or spydrones on a fast, maneuverable recon with F8, shrapnel, and slow missiles Doesn’t work. (only guys able of bothering a Jag with such build are Taka and Evis)
- ECM with diffuser/stasis and doomsdays because lol That work
- Command with damage buff and diffusion tank no It doesnt’ work
- Guard with decent resists, heals, and IDGAFwhatweapon ^
- Any other tackler with crit gauss and inhibitor beam to remove cruise engines Here you are right only taking in account another Jag
- Sending in sacrificial pugs so that the tackler focuses on them while you focus on it (works so well against NERW it’s not even funny) That’s not a ship but yes sometimes it works
- Not being out of position/alone That work
- Not being Dazarco That work too
What we need is to start a custom game with the “Jag OP” guys vs the “Jag balanced” guys. The caveat is the JagOP team can use jags but the other team can’t. I could record it and stick it on youtube. YEA SCIENCE!
What we need is to start a custom game with the “Jag OP” guys vs the “Jag balanced” guys. The caveat is the JagOP team can use jags but the other team can’t. I could record it and stick it on youtube. YEA SCIENCE!
I’d love to join with LRF!
One of the best thing vs jags(or any other cruse tacklers) are beams.
Jerri commands do work well, if you ambush the jag, after decloak, and they have the speed to keep weapon on if the jag tries to escape, and the tank possibilities to survive a few bubbles.
Only chance is cloaking or help by other ships. in the end, no matter how impressive the tank on a jaguar looks, it actually is still just a tackler, and will not sustain if you get rather large continuous damage applied.
I can’t really kill them in a Jeri tac, but since I do the job of 3 of em in terms of tackling, usually they die by the team for “miraculous” causes.
@Mecron, you sir are brave to contradict me and tell me I generalize too much. Usually, if someone starts an argument by negating me, he is wrong. Take that as a generalization.
All these things were generalizations, since yes, sometimes, the jag does something useful. Sometimes, a team survives a defensive situation, even if the jaguar is once again cloaktrolling on the other side of the map, or simply by the cloaking, reduces the tactical choice of the enemy team to the targets they actually should fire at to win, leaving only the ECM behind after he decloaks. Maybe, that’s why they like to be so big buddies.
Sometimes, they actually have tackling modules, or use a gauss to snipe ships, which the rest of the team has damaged under painful working conditions. Sometimes, also, they do none of these things. Just because I add a bit of emotion, none of the other things people said were not generalizations in their own sake.
In general, people who point out generalizations, generalize.
And without generalizations, we would sit here all day to point out scenarios which *falls asleep looking at some posts*
So for you Mecron, I hereby add a disclaimer to my said generalizations, as service for you.
I accept a good Jag on my side, if he keeps a bit of a help by actually tackling sometimes, and of course, if the player sitting in it, already has a lot of gunship - especially fed bubble - experience, i can also trust him to fly it like a parallax and rock well. Also I will build myself one, as someone who played tackler like forever, long before it was cool.
But to the public, I will maintain my opinion to tell Jag Pilots politely to go f***** **** ***** and **** ***** *** because **** ***** in the ***! **** on a satellite dish ******! ******! But it’s okay, you also have a right to live I guess, ******.
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What exactly is the problem with Jaguar? Why is it immune to Microloc?
I’l generalize on your generalizations and say that you generalize on my generalizations a bit too much!
In all fairness, I was only arguing semantics there lol. There are, sadly, too few people who use a tackler as a support. Most of them (like me) build theirs like carries and burst assassins. But I would argue that that is because the game in regular skirmish promotes solo megaman play too much and downplays actually working as a team. So building a Jag as a semi-carry is a side effect of the current status quo of pvp simply because it is more efficient (no pun intended) that way.
Daz, before you jump in with your stupid sh-t about how these semi-carry tacklers are OP and “cheaty”, there are counters to these types of tacklers.
I suppose we could all ask dev very nicely if they can rename jaguar into cheetah, riiiight? 
nah, dat would probably look like they copy eve.
What exactly is the problem with Jaguar? Why is it immune to Microloc?
It isn’t.
all because you launched a doomsday at one while it was looting something instead of proceeding to shoot you a few more times with a singularity cannon. We all have the same question about why that doomsday even hit it. He had to be afk. Alright… if that’s enough for you to call Jaguar not a cheat ship. My standards are a little more tedious than yours, but your vote is in!
Why would I allow him to shoot me few more times? Or maybe I should write to him “Dear Sir. Please remain stationary for 10 seconds to be hit with my Doomsday missile”? He wasn’t afk as he was trying to pursue me for half of the Abandoned Complex. So no, you just have to use the weaknesses of enemy and play the map. I was hidden behind cover, sneaked on him, waited for a right moment and sent him a Doomsday when he was’t paying attention. How the Doomsday hit? Simple. The only thing what you hear when Doomsday is launched from around 200 meters is the explosion of your ship.
Maybe you have just wrong approach to tacklers? Jags are built as brawlers or support ships. You are killing the first type from range, the other - close and personal. Of course there is a middle (gauss crit intie hunter) but most of the gunships/frigates can take on that easily.
Or maybe I should write to him “Dear Sir. Please remain stationary for 10 seconds to be hit with my Doomsday missile”?
What, you don’t write that every time someone attacks you in OS? Man, what a scrub.
What we need is to start a custom game with the “Jag OP” guys vs the “Jag balanced” guys. The caveat is the JagOP team can use jags but the other team can’t. I could record it and stick it on youtube. YEA SCIENCE!
Gunships ftw (I´m in)
Test #1:
Dazco believes: Nothing can beat jaguar (Other than another Jag)
People who disagree: Katovskiy,StatueofLibroty, Papitas, millanbel, Mecronmancer, g4borg, Lord_Xenon, ZDemon, SuDoKu, Aggressor, niripas, null82936
People who are willing to prove it: null82936 (With E-LRF), John161 (with Gunship)
Test #2:
Spongejohn believes: Jag is strong (a few ships can counter though)
Mecro disagrees
I want to see Mecro defeat sponge’s jag with following builds:
+ Microlocators or spydrones on a fast, maneuverable recon with F8, shrapnel, and slow missiles
+ ECM with diffuser/stasis and doomsdays
+ Command with damage buff and diffusion tank
+ Guard with decent resists, heals, and IDGAFwhatweapon
+ Any other tackler (Not Jag) with crit gauss and inhibitor beam to remove cruise engines
I personally would love to record battles between highly skilled players. You never know, SC might start grow into an e-sport!
Please correct me if anything if I misunderstood anyone’s opinions in the tests.
Test #1:
Dazco believes: Nothing can beat jaguar (Other than another Jag)
People who disagree: Katovskiy,StatueofLibroty, Papitas, millanbel, Mecronmancer, g4borg, Lord_Xenon, ZDemon, SuDoKu, Aggressor, niripas, null82936
People who are willing to prove it: null82936 (With E-LRF), John161 (with Gunship)
Test #2:
Spongejohn believes: Jag is strong (a few ships can counter though)
Mecro disagrees
I want to see Mecro defeat sponge’s jag with following builds:
+ Microlocators or spydrones on a fast, maneuverable recon with F8, shrapnel, and slow missiles
+ ECM with diffuser/stasis and doomsdays
+ Command with damage buff and diffusion tank
+ Guard with decent resists, heals, and IDGAFwhatweapon
+ Any other tackler (Not Jag) with crit gauss and inhibitor beam to remove cruise engines
I personally would love to record battles between highly skilled players. You never know, SC might start grow into an e-sport!
Please correct me if anything if I misunderstood anyone’s opinions in the tests.
well I’d have to install game first :006j:
about Mecron-tan vs Spongy…
Spongy will win any 1v1 against Mecron-tan so yeah :012j:
Well the problem is 1v1 is very subjective… It could serve to prove if something is strong in invasion, but you need similarly skilled pilots. It proves nothing in PVP, because I know I for one am not looking for 1v1s in my tackler in PVP. I’m looking for unsuspecting gauss cannon fodder that doesn’t get a chance to fight back (against good inti pilots, this doesn’t happen often)
I think last time I encountered sponge’s Jaguar I used a Spark/ Sword AE… I don’t remember if I was even able to touch him with the spark or not.
Test #1:
Dazco believes: Nothing can beat jaguar (Other than another Jag)
People who disagree: Katovskiy,StatueofLibroty, Papitas, millanbel, Mecronmancer, g4borg, Lord_Xenon, ZDemon, SuDoKu, Aggressor, niripas, null82936
People who are willing to prove it: null82936 (With E-LRF), John161 (with Gunship)
Test #2:
Spongejohn believes: Jag is strong (a few ships can counter though)
Mecro disagrees
I want to see Mecro defeat sponge’s jag with following builds:
+ Microlocators or spydrones on a fast, maneuverable recon with F8, shrapnel, and slow missiles
+ ECM with diffuser/stasis and doomsdays
+ Command with damage buff and diffusion tank
+ Guard with decent resists, heals, and IDGAFwhatweapon
+ Any other tackler (Not Jag) with crit gauss and inhibitor beam to remove cruise engines
I personally would love to record battles between highly skilled players. You never know, SC might start grow into an e-sport!
Please correct me if anything if I misunderstood anyone’s opinions in the tests.
DO ET I WANNA WATCH
Edit: i also wanna shoot spongy, but do i need to use doomsday missiles?
well I’d have to install game first :006j:
about Mecron-tan vs Spongy…
Spongy will win any 1v1 against Mecron-tan so yeah :012j:
pls no i don’t want to.
To make the ping fair we should both play on SEA server.
So when i can watch the video guys?