Jaguars are cheat ships

Ships
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Jaguar? Cheat ship? In open world? One BloodTormentor[FDEF] was trying to attack me with Gauss Jag. I went back and saw that if he  is really trying to attack me. He did. Well, I kept the distance, waited till he was collecting some s…loot, he got doomsday from 200 meters and then he quit the game. So yeah. He cheated. If you are afraid to fly in those dangerous sectors, just don’t take ships that you know will be killed. Engie in R10 is asking for trouble. Grab a recon/covops/cruise tackler - those ships can withstand a direct confrontation. I’m not mentioning the destroyers, cause that’s obvious.

 

Rockwell is better than Jag for open space as well :slight_smile:

Jag is meant to be pure support ship with some firepower (tanking Mjolnir with Jag is a stupid idea for example, but slowing down that cowardly recon that forgot to put multipurposes is ok), but generalizing that Jag is OP cheat ship is just not right.

 

all because you launched a doomsday at one while it was looting something instead of proceeding to shoot you a few more times with a singularity cannon. We all have the same question about why that doomsday even hit it. He had to be afk. Alright… if that’s enough for you to call Jaguar not a cheat ship. My standards are a little more tedious than yours, but your vote is in!

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All I’m hearing is a lot of fat babbycryin’ about being unable to find a simple counter to tacklers. They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.

I will not list the counters here since you are “familiar” with the game or however you put it… Though I have my doubts since you have poor tactical reasoning.

I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.

As for g4’s post about useless jags, that’s a hasty generalization. I’ve seen plenty of useful jags taking out high-priority targets and doing the objectives in pug matches. Not all Jaguars are stupid.

And as millan stated, if you die in a recon to a jag as a ship designed to counter tacklers, you deserved to die. Also, if you die in OS, tough tittays. Suck it up, go back to hangar, fly out again, and git gud.

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Rockwell is better than Jag for open space as well :slight_smile:

Jag is meant to be pure support ship with some firepower (tanking Mjolnir with Jag is a stupid idea for example, but slowing down that cowardly recon that forgot to put multipurposes is ok), but generalizing that Jag is OP cheat ship is just not right.

 

Only reasons a rockwell can be better in open space is for the extra inventory slots and the free repairs.

 

About jag and mjonlir or any other gunship: you don’t have to tank nothing. Just cloack when he turn on overdrive, wait, decloack, shoot and slowing modules, cloack again if he goes in combat reboot, wait, decloack, shoot, slowing modules, missiles. Gunship dead.

 

I’ve done it hundreds of times. The only way gunship can survive is that he have allies nearby helping him. 

Otherwise ANY gunship have no chance against a well fitted Jag.

 

Jaguar IS too powerful compared to normal tacklers.

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All I’m hearing is a lot of fat babbycryin’ about being unable to find a simple counter to tacklers. They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.

I will not list the counters here since you are “familiar” with the game or however you put it… Though I have my doubts since you have poor tactical reasoning.

I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.

As for g4’s post about useless jags, that’s a hasty generalization. I’ve seen plenty of useful jags taking out high-priority targets and doing the objectives in pug matches. Not all Jaguars are stupid.

And as millan stated, if you die in a recon to a jag as a ship designed to counter tacklers, you deserved to die. Also, if you die in OS, tough tittays. Suck it up, go back to hangar, fly out again, and git gud.

 

Really? You sure you can fit so many “anti jaguar” ships? 'Cause actually there are only a couple and one of those is another Jaguar. 

 

Edit: apart dessies, a lot of things changed since they got in t5

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as long as garlic exist u all will say nerf somethings

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Stop embarrassing yourself by assuming I’m complaining about my ships or that I’m struggling at all in Star Conflict. I’m not. I’ll try one more thing to get your comprehension up to speed and back on track in this thread. It’s a little outside the box. Try to keep up:

 

Rank 12 ships on your tables. No Jaguars in skirmish.

Ships from the grind tree rank 13 and up on your tables. You’ll encounter plenty of Jaguars.

Compare the two experiences.

 

One more time: This thread is about Jaguars being a cheat ship for reasons clearly explained.

One more time: This thread is not about me.

 

Dude I fly rank 13 all the time, and have no problem killing Jaguars. Especially since most of them are fit like xxxx, with cruise engine and drones. As someone said, t5 is one of the most balanced tiers atm (until destroyers arrive) since apart from implants, there is very little difference between rank 13, 14 and 15.  Jaguar is no exception. It’s bonuses are no stronger than the rockwell’'s for example, it doesn’t have more module slots. If it wants damage, it has to sacrifice tank and capacitor, like any other ship.

 

Insulting me changes nothing to the point I made, and I’m not the only one saying it, so maybe you should consider taking our advice.

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hmm. so much emotions over a papership :stuck_out_tongue:

The only problem i have with it is the fact that the density of tacklers in games is insanely high, don’t care if it’s a faguar or a silent fox.

The counter to every jaguar for me is simple, just answer yourself the following questions:

 

Who is flying it? (Wich answers things like, is it an agressive pilot, or a careful one. Is it a guy who doesnt want to die at any price, or is it a guy that has no problem with suiciding. Does he have aim? Does he understand his role in the field.)

What weapons does it use? ( Bubbles suggest that he will go ambush all the way, if he has gauss, then you will be the one to ambush him)

Does it have Doomsdays? (Easy to counter w/e)

What kind of cloak is he using? (if you don’t know what i mean, check the secret project ships boni)

Does he have slows? ( Often they don’t, cuz they specialize on killing fighters and frigates, thats why doomsdays)

 

Close range brawler jaguars will always go for the closest and easiest kill. So look around. Any engi or lrf around? If yes, chances are he will reappear there. Or maybe there is a ceptor flying to a beacon, in a straight line, then he’ll probably go for that one. Or maybe there is that squishy Jeri command that just came out of diffusion.

I don’t think the Jaguar per se is OP, it’s just the pilot. Once you know the pilot, you can outsmart him everytime. Cuz his maneuvering is dictated by cooldowns, where as mine is dictated by superior staying power.

As a tackler, the jaguar is quite useless. As an ambush weapon it shines, as long as it’s alive.

The utter uselessness of the jaguar in a competitive scenario, shows that it’s not as good.

EXEPT in a random pvp, but there a railgun gunship is way more OP. Or any destroyer for that matter.

 

Also Open Space is the most broken gamemode there ever was, even pretending that there should be some sort of balancing attempt, is a lost cause. Everybody in this gamemode is bored to death. Even the most peaceful fella will randomly murder people just because it’s something different. And because the massive amount of aliens will do it anyways.

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Dude I fly rank 13 all the time, and have no problem killing Jaguars. Especially since most of them are fit like xxxx, with cruise engine and drones. As someone said, t5 is one of the most balanced tiers atm (until destroyers arrive) since apart from implants, there is very little difference between rank 13, 14 and 15.  Jaguar is no exception. It’s bonuses are no stronger than the rockwell’'s for example, it doesn’t have more module slots. If it wants damage, it has to sacrifice tank and capacitor, like any other ship.

 

Insulting me changes nothing to the point I made, and I’m not the only one saying it, so maybe you should consider taking our advice.

 

You have not been making any point. You have been making incorrect assumptions about me. If you think any advice is being directed toward me in this thread, your comprehension problems are in full effect. All you’ve done is take a really long, nonsense, vague way around to say you think Jaguar is a.o.k. You have not even started to speak of any Jaguar-specific details until just then, PAGE THREE OF THIS THREAD. When you do finally venture into Jaguar-specific details, you can’t do anything except insult other people’s Jaguars. Do you realize that you said that you have no problems killing Jaguars and followed it with the reason being they “are fit like xxxx”? So if they “are fit like xxxx” they are not cheat ships.

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dude, what assumptions, look https://rh.frogswarm.fr/sf2/Dazarco

you simply bad at this game, rather than arguing, accept it and seek a way to improve.

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All I’m hearing is a lot of fat babbycryin’ about being unable to find a simple counter to tacklers. They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.

I will not list the counters here since you are “familiar” with the game or however you put it… Though I have my doubts since you have poor tactical reasoning.

I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.

As for g4’s post about useless jags, that’s a hasty generalization. I’ve seen plenty of useful jags taking out high-priority targets and doing the objectives in pug matches. Not all Jaguars are stupid.

And as millan stated, if you die in a recon to a jag as a ship designed to counter tacklers, you deserved to die. Also, if you die in OS, tough tittays. Suck it up, go back to hangar, fly out again, and git gud.

 

So you have decide to just dive into lying out of desperation. You said “They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.” You are a liar.

 

Alright. I will school you on what transpired in response to this crap you have written: “I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.” Read carefully.  I pointed out that no one has stated the counters to Jaguars. I suspect the reason no one pointed out the counters to Jaguars is because they’re afraid to expose the wildly variable weaknesses of those counters. Basically, the argument of “but Jaguars have counters” can be widdled down quite easily. Jaguars are for weasels. Weasels do not want harsh realistic details laid out on them.

 

I already replied to Milanbel’s idiotic assumption about this having anything to do with me flying a recon. One more time: This is not about me flying a recon.

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Everything is about someone flying something against something, everything is relative, if someone can not handle A while using B, it does not mean right of the bat that A is OP or B is UP, it might as well mean that person using B has personal issues.

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dude, what assumptions, look https://rh.frogswarm.fr/sf2/Dazarco

you simply bad at this game, rather than arguing, accept it and seek a way to improve.

yup, he is a nab

 

 

btw kosty, he was in NASA at one point :smiley:

 

 

 

 

So you have decide to just dive into lying out of desperation. You said “They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.” You are a liar.

 

Alright. I will school you on what transpired in response to this crap you have written: “I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.” Read carefully.  I pointed out that no one has stated the counters to Jaguars. I suspect the reason no one pointed out the counters to Jaguars is because they’re afraid to expose the wildly variable weaknesses of those counters. Basically, the argument of “but Jaguars have counters” can be widdled down quite easily. Jaguars are for weasels. Weasels do not want harsh realistic details laid out on them.

 

I already replied to Milanbel’s idiotic assumption about this having anything to do with me flying a recon. One more time: This is not about me flying a recon.

 

There you have one:

ELRF with disintegrator 

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dude, what assumptions, look https://rh.frogswarm.fr/sf2/Dazarco

you simply bad at this game, rather than arguing, accept it and seek a way to improve.

 

I haven’t ever been into kill farming. That’s a kills rating app. That doesn’t carry a bit of weight on anything I’ve said which strongly describe Jaguars as being cheat ships. You’re trying to use personal attacks instead of focusing on what you don’t want focus on: Jaguar being a cheat ship.

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I haven’t ever been into kill farming. That’s a kills rating app. That doesn’t carry a bit of weight on anything I’ve said which strongly describe Jaguars as being cheat ships. You’re trying to use personal attacks instead of focusing on what you don’t want focus on: Jaguar being a cheat ship.

weight on anything?

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan u don’t even have 50% W/L…

 

 

and your statement is BS >> Jaguars aren’t cheat ships

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As a jag pilot i can say i really cheat a lot, by using engine supressor and then gauss the scheiz out of my victim and fill with couple of missiles, even drop a friendly sentry drone to poke them so i dont feel so lonely. But i have to wait 30s for my supressor to recharge. I also cheat with correct set of implants.

before jag, i used to fly Sword AE, wich was way more tanky than Jag… it had strong shield and nearly same damage capability like jag. It wast as fast as jag but it was good in slapping interceptors.

Oh i forgot to mention i use fast cloak, thats an awful cheat. I cant hide and run far away tho…im not using cruise engines for pvp… but i’ll just appear and fade very fast.

 

So advantage that my jag has over the sword AE is basicly fast cloak…and fact that i arrange ship slots to enhance my strongpoints… So… its cheating to understand yourself and your skills and flaws and to perfectly adapt a ship to your personal skill set.

 

And once upon a time, someone decided to merge t4 and t5… imagine that. Still t4 could kick t5s. In the end you’ll learn that it all comes down to the person flying a ship. To its knowledge of a ship. And so on… jag is NOT a cheat ship. I still die, mostly to recons and ecms. Gunships…basicly i die quite a lot…

Its the pilot that makes a difference in the end. You’ll meet people in game that will make you feel like all the ships they fly are OP. (not including deshitroyers)

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So you have decide to just dive into lying out of desperation. You said “They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.” You are a liar.

 

Alright. I will school you on what transpired in response to this crap you have written: “I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.” Read carefully.  I pointed out that no one has stated the counters to Jaguars. I suspect the reason no one pointed out the counters to Jaguars is because they’re afraid to expose the wildly variable weaknesses of those counters. Basically, the argument of “but Jaguars have counters” can be widdled down quite easily. Jaguars are for weasels. Weasels do not want harsh realistic details laid out on them.

 

I already replied to Milanbel’s idiotic assumption about this having anything to do with me flying a recon. One more time: This is not about me flying a recon.

Stop raging, he said the same thing we all said. Exept Sponge, who thinks it’s OP, just because he is OP.

So calm your tits and stop raging. Your rage just shows that you did not come here to solve a problem.

Cheat ships, what does that even mean…

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I haven’t ever been into kill farming. That’s a kills rating app. That doesn’t carry a bit of weight on anything I’ve said which strongly describe Jaguars as being cheat ships. You’re trying to use personal attacks instead of focusing on what you don’t want focus on: Jaguar being a cheat ship.

I never look only at kill rate, but i look on the whole picture

  • avg Kills

  • avg Deaths

  • Kill-Death-Assists

  • Win ratio

  • total games

 

only when looked at the whole picture, one can more or less confidently judge someone’s skill (but no means are 100% accurate, there are always exceptions), but son, you suck big time.

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Stop raging, he said the same thing we all said. Exept Sponge, who thinks it’s OP, just because he is OP.

So calm your tits and stop raging. Your rage just shows that you did not come here to solve a problem.

Cheat ships, what does that even mean…

 

I’ll have to refer you to what I wrote on pages 1, 2 and 3 in response to your saying “Cheat ships, what does that even mean…” You thought you could say that and paint the picture that I have not said a thing. Well, you’re wrong. I’ve said a lot. Jaguar is a cheat ship.

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I’ll have to refer you to what I wrote on pages 1, 2 and 3 in response to your saying “Cheat ships, what does that even mean…” You thought you could say that and paint the picture that I have not said a thing. Well, you’re wrong. I’ve said a lot. Jaguar is a cheat ship.

prove?

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Stop raging, he said the same thing we all said. Exept Sponge, who thinks it’s OP, just because he is OP.

So calm your tits and stop raging. Your rage just shows that you did not come here to solve a problem.

Cheat ships, what does that even mean…

By his logic:

  • Guards are cheat ships because they have too much shields
  • Recons are cheat ships because they move too fast
  • Engis are cheat ships because they heal too much
  • Covops are cheat ships because they do too much burst damage
  • Commands are cheat ships because they have a free damage buff every few seconds
  • LRFS are cheat ships because they have 6 turrets when every other ship class in the game has only 4.
    • Actually, any fighter/frig ship is a cheat ship because they have 4+ turrets while interceptors only have 2.

See? His logic is sound, he is the best player in this game and is therefore the authoritative opinion on what is and isn’t “cheaty”, and we can’t argue against his idiocy because it will only waste our time. 

 

Really? You sure you can fit so many “anti jaguar” ships? 'Cause actually there are only a couple and one of those is another Jaguar. 

 

Edit: apart dessies, a lot of things changed since they got in t5

Let’s take a look:

  1. Microlocators or spydrones on a fast, maneuverable recon with F8, shrapnel, and slow missiles
  2. ECM with diffuser/stasis and doomsdays because lol
  3. Command with damage buff and diffusion tank
  4. Guard with decent resists, heals, and IDGAFwhatweapon
  5. Any other tackler with crit gauss and inhibitor beam to remove cruise engines
  6. Sending in sacrificial pugs so that the tackler focuses on them while you focus on it (works so well against NERW it’s not even funny)
  7. Not being out of position/alone
  8. Not being Dazarco

That’s just off the top of my head. Too lazy to go look at my hangar and give you builds.

 

yup, he is a nab

 

 

btw kosty, he was in NASA at one point :smiley:

Thank god this imbecile has been kicked.

 

So you have decide to just dive into lying out of desperation. You said “They are so easy to fight against in a 1v1 it’s almost a cakewalk.” You are a liar.

 

Alright. I will school you on what transpired in response to this crap you have written: “I can think of at least 5 ways to counter the Jaguar in any given scenario. You obviously can’t.” Read carefully.  I pointed out that no one has stated the counters to Jaguars. I suspect the reason no one pointed out the counters to Jaguars is because they’re afraid to expose the wildly variable weaknesses of those counters. Basically, the argument of “but Jaguars have counters” can be widdled down quite easily. Jaguars are for weasels. Weasels do not want harsh realistic details laid out on them.

 

I already replied to Milanbel’s idiotic assumption about this having anything to do with me flying a recon. One more time: This is not about me flying a recon.

See above and shut your mouth. Words fall from your mouth like sh17 from azz. Also this is about you and your poor piloting skills that is complemented by your obnoxious loudmouthing. We’re calling that out.