Block too low tiers from PvP

Suggestions PvP
#1

I discussed this with one of the GMs and the answer was “that T1 can save the game in Capture the beacons mode”.

From that conversation I was watching closely what’s going on.

Results: most of PvP games are “which side has less lower tiers, wins”. Simple as that. 

 

The icing on the cake was a 5v5 game, T5, with two four-person squads on the opposite teams. One was full T5, second one had one Mammoth and… T1s. 

No, their 11 T1s didn’t save the game. 

I would put it on the mistake of the guy, who accidentally put T5 into the slot, going  for a T1 game, but no. They did it the same next game. 

 

So - if you guys don’t want to mix T4s and T5s in MM, why are you allowing T1s?! T2s cannot help much either - our corp did some testing on it. T3 help was only situational. 

Look at this that way - a person who is flying T5, has to have at least two T4s as well. Let that person fly them as well - I have no problem with T4s in T5 - they are less powerful, but in skilled hands they are contributing to the team effort. But T3s - and lower? No. Simple as that. Let the player know that there is a mismatch in his ship combination and simply don’t allow him to get in the T5 queue. 

 

PLEASE.

#2

How about -1T restriction?

T4/5 can join T5

T3/4 can join T4

not sure about T3

#3

If you’re playing T4/T5 matches, you should have all 4 ship’s slots of T4/T5 equipped. Period!

I do not want to see anything less. I have seen it too many times. You can’t start PVE, SQ, but you can do so in PVP.

This restriction needs to be enforced. If you wish to play with T4 in T5, then take 1 rank 12 non-premium ship. T4 premium or rank 11 still counts for T4.

Why? Slayer of Immortals medals!

#4

Although I agree with you, this is never going to happen.

 

People will buy one tier 4 / 5 premium ship and will be unable to use it on PvP.

 

So, hardly.

 

Troll platoons are still a problem in World of tanks, and they only have 1 tank per game!

#5

Some kind of Tier restriction is already planned to prevent this.

#6

These issues happen because some players rush/play only one ship tree, and when they reach T5, they simply equip the other unplayed ship trees, which obviously are T1’s. These people, so called, tier rushers, need to be handled.

 

I’ve seen players with as little as 330 games played in T5. That’s absurd! Fix it, please.

#7

Although I agree with you, this is never going to happen.

 

People will buy one tier 4 / 5 premium ship and will be unable to use it on PvP.

 

Evi, I don’t care about people with single high-tier prem ship. If it will continue, people will leave. I know about 3 people from my corp who wants to take vacation from this game till the problem will be solved. Less people - > less GS spent.

 

Some kind of Tier restriction is already planned to prevent this.

Error, with all due respect, don’t get me wrong, but I had this conversation that some kind of Tier restriction is planned about 2 months ago (actually the day after the New Year fire Premium sale).

Could you give me an ETA? Estimated? Month, half a year? I will stop playing for so long, then come back at that time. T5 doesn’t make much sense now. Even today - 5vs5 game, Tier 3 Jeri LRF was trying to tank damage from Inquisitor, and Kite was fighting with Naga (face torped). In 4 hours of playing today we had 1 (ONE) game, where it was pure T5vsT5. Other games were like I said - who has less lower tiers - wins.

#8

Error, with all due respect, don’t get me wrong, but I had this conversation that some kind of Tier restriction is planned about 2 months ago (actually the day after the New Year fire Premium sale).

Could you give me an ETA? Estimated? Month, half a year? I will stop playing for so long, then come back at that time. T5 doesn’t make much sense now. Even today - 5vs5 game, Tier 3 Jeri LRF was trying to tank damage from Inquisitor, and Kite was fighting with Naga (face torped). In 4 hours of playing today we had 1 (ONE) game, where it was pure T5vsT5. Other games were like I said - who has less lower tiers - wins.

Right now all ressources are spent on the next major update so it is hard to give an eta.

#9

who has less lower tiers - wins.

 

And without that it’s simply “who has more top scorers wins”. Like it was when SR was still visible, and before the latest T4/5 discounts. As it is now in T3 for most matches.

 

Is that really so much better?

#10

I completely agree with everything niri has said. This is absolutely absurd. Anything lower than T4 should not be allowed into T5 games.

 

Let’s clear some things up for those who might be confused about some aspects of this game.

 

  1. You do not get T5 rewards when you fly a T1 ship in a T5 game. You get T1-level credits, vouchers, and synergy. In no way does flying a T1 ship in T5 help you progress faster, if anything, it is slower. You will be guaranteed to get better rewards flying your T1s in T1 games, as you actually can do some damage to the enemies there.

 

  1. If you use the excuse “I sold all my other ships”: You are an idiot. NEVER, EVER, EVER, (and I cannot emphasize this enough)  EVER sell a ship. I don’t know why this feature was implemented. Selling a ship doesn’t get you anywhere. Sure, you get a small fraction of your money back, but that amount of money could easily be earned by playing a few games (or 2-3 PvE games). Not only that, but you degrade your fleet strength when you sell full-synergy ships, which makes you look like even more of an idiot, as the point of fleet strength is to make lvling high-tier ships easier.

 

  1. Flying T1 ships in T5 is not only a bad idea, it also makes your entire team hate you. No one in the game will have any respect for you for flying your T1 ships. Everyone will only wish that friendly fire was on so they could kill you themselves to prevent the enemy team from getting free points (I’m pretty sure we’ve all felt this way at some point).

“I respect this pilot because he is being brave and running his T1 ships in this T5 game…” -Said no one ever…

 

There is no excuse for not running 4 T4/5 ships in T5 games (In T4 there is no excuse for running 3 T3/4 ships). You have unlocked the 4th slot by R12, and you should have at least 4 T4/5 ships by this point (otherwise you are tier-rushing and we will all hate you).

#11

yes do tier restrictions like that. 

#12

I do not want to repeat myself. This thing is so easy to implement. Well, it’s really simple!

 

I have seen too many tier rushers, which had 1-3 T1 ships equipped and 1 T5 prem with no equipment, not even a weapon and from the stats, it’s possibly that they had no equipment or modules or even implants as well.

After you check their profile, they got 10 battles in PVP in one week.

Unbelievable!

 

IT BOILS MY BLOOD!

 

Implement this:

 

Restrictions:

 

What has been done so far to fix this? Nothing. We got a system, which is already widely known. But we have no restrictions!

 

If you are using T4 premium ships or rank 11 ships, you will play T4 matches. Checked!

If you play T5 and you wish to get slayer of the Immortal medals, at least one of your 4 ships need to be rank 12. Checked!

 

What else needs to be done to fix this entire issue. Restrictions!

 

You cannot start a match with no modules, weapons or equipment unlocked. Not done yet!

You cannot start T4 or T5 match with only 1 ship unlocked. 4 ships are required. Fully equipped. Not done yet!

You cannot mix ships of the lower tiers with a higher ones, if they are more two tiers lower than your higher tier!

 

In my opinion, even with T1 looting system in T5 as punishment, would not be enough.

It would ruin the mood for the rest of players. This system MUST FULLY RESTRICT such occurences from happening!

Really, it boils my blood, when I see T1,T2 ships in T5. Some of tier 3 ships are still pretty good, but they should not be allowed there as well.

It is bad enough that Matchmaking system is making me wait for more than 10 to 15 minutes and after I get a match, then I have to deal with this nonsense.

 

 

Edit: Edited a sentence to avoid further confusion.

#13

Your plan will screw up ppl in situation like this, Koro

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#14

You cannot mix ships of the lower ties with higher ones! (T4 and T5 is the only exception) Not done yet!

 

A bit harsh! There should be a 1 tier difference only, i.e. T1&T2, T2&T3 etc. I’m sorry but I would not be happy if I could not fly my nice shiny new T4 (for example) ship because I don’t have 2 more of them.

#15

Your plan will screw up ppl in situation like this, Koro

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Fixed. I thought right, but wrote wrong.

#16

A bit harsh! There should be a 1 tier difference only, i.e. T1&T2, T2&T3 etc. I’m sorry but I would not be happy if I could not fly my nice shiny new T4 (for example) ship because I don’t have 2 more of them.

 

It’s fixed. I have made a mistake.

#17

It’s absolutely true.

I had 3v3 yesterday several times in T5 but this one game… one bob with just 1 T5 premium, all others T1 and his squadmate just had T1 only.

It was realistic. (Capture the beacons)

 

So it was…

Me, 4 T5s

The one guy, 1 T5, 3 T1s

The other guy, 3 T1s

 

vs.

 

4x T5

4x T5

2x T5 2x T4

 

Fair play! *Sarcasm*

#18

It’s absolutely true.

I had 3v3 yesterday several times in T5 but this one game… one bob with just 1 T5 premium, all others T1 and his squadmate just had T1 only.

It was realistic.

 

So it was…

Me, 4 T5s

The one guy, 1 T5, 3 T1s

The other guy, 3 T1s

 

vs.

 

4x T5

4x T5

2x T5 2x T4

 

Fair play! *Sarcasm*

I like challenges, so even if I advise people in chat to fit their proper ships (depending on my mood, sometimes I’m a bit harsh), I find those kind of games challenging.

 

And tbh, I have won some of them. Last man standing medals are always nice to get.

#19

It was not challenge, it was massacre, they were guard, engy, ecm, that’s not a challenge, it’s impossible, especially if they are not nab pilots, and they weren’t.

It’s just the point, that my 2 guys were so useless, replacing both of them with bots would have even been better… way better.

Black Dragon died in the first minute, his other ships just died and his friend took his first ship and warped into a wall…

T5 should be endgame, not a kindergarten.

#20

But, but… I need to fly T1 in T5!