There are always edge cases, you can not satisfy everything and everyone, there must be “lesser evil” decisions, which has to be for the game, despite what you, me or the Joe wants, and yet majority of people demanding, proposing, suggesting, and next to never take into account what they are, and how that reflects on the whole game, they assume that if he wants it, that means everybody else wishes for it, and then come with argumentation “yeah we all want it, so do it”. Don’t even have to go far than this thread to see precisely this behavior.
We already have had THIS and NOBODY was playing it. Did you know that old Sec Con allowed 8 man wings? Did you see many of them playing?
You have no idea how hard it is to form 8 man team AND make it organised every fg day, tactics/roles/ what to do and not once a weekend. Dump 8 man together and click launch is easy, but that is no different from 8 randoms. One of the big issues with leagues is it’s exclusiveness (it was kinda the intent though, but ended up overboard imho), increasing a team size even by 1 person will have huge consequences.
Don’t remember that stage, when I started doing Sec Con there were only 4 man squads (I can tell u that I was getting farmed by WPK/ESB squads daily, but still when I first started to squad up with old corp m8s it was fun, no matter that we didn’t have the knowledge or recourses to counter them)… but I was here when dreads started… it wasn’t hard to make even 2 wings for those.But the thing is ppl want large matches with friends. That’s all, and that was taken from them.
Don’t remember that stage, when I started doing Sec Con there were only 4 man squads (I can tell u that I was getting farmed by WPK/ESB squads daily, but still when I first started to squad up with old corp m8s it was fun, no matter that we didn’t have the knowledge or recourses to counter them)… but I was here when dreads started… it wasn’t hard to make even 2 wings for those.But the thing is ppl want large matches with friends. That’s all, and that was taken from them.
Sec Con started with only 4 man squad, adn down the road it had capability for 8 v 8 wings, and that functionality staid there until the end of Sec Con, see you were not aware that function existed, because it was in such demand you could not find a spot on a team to play…
OT: Why is it always Kosty vs all?
also - no one cares about 4 people squads in PvP. There are Leagues. Do you want to play in squads daily? Make a league team, curse that someone is missing today, then curse some more cause you cannot make a spot for a friend. Wait till next day. And then and only then you are allowed to play teams! You don’t have dedicated pilots? There is no point in making squad then either. With current number of battles in T5 if both of you will launch at the same time, you will usually end up in the same game. In summary: you can have a “surprise me!” effect and play pvp (different modes, maps etc) or you can have squads (and play CTB all the time).
Yes, game lost a lot of social aspect and building intra-corp bonds because of squad removal, but as Kosty is repeating - 90% of players now are Russian. And they adapted. No one will change something fundamental for 10% of players and if you will read some of those threads there is only less than 20 people complaining. Sorry guys. No point in arguing. You can adjust or leave.
Small suggestion to developers - it would MIGHTY help to see a number of two-people squads in PvP. On the PvP field there is a lot of space to do so and adding this information will allow people that want to squad up to see if there is any point in doing so instead of waiting for an hour doing other things (watching the movie for example) and then turning the SC off, cause there is no point in waiting more.
Niri why in the hell a game mode which is a lame tournament where final prizes get also changed during the event should get people attention?
Esport? Esport is something completely different, whit fair rules about servers and clear prizes.
I’m not interested in esports btw. I want to play with my friends while still being able to make a laugh or two. I don’t want to lead my team like i have to do in leagues. I want fun in a squadsvssquad thing without being in a “similar militaristic” envoinment like any other multiplayer game allow to.
The eu playerbase dropped a lot also 'cause of this. Russian also complain about squads removal but topics get closed with this line of text: go play leagues. Which is bs.
You love leagues? Play them. 99.9 of the players don’t want to. Deal with it.
it’s up atm just for 30/35 guys. Numbers proves that’s a failure.
P.s. just 20 people arguing here are just the tip of the iceberg. Mostly 'cause a lot of guys gaved up on this topic and don’t care anymore. Meanwhile corps are almost dead.
An in game poll not long ago proved 50% of people is not in a corp or don’t care . tnx for destroying one of the things whorts.
You love leagues? Play them. 99.9 of the players don’t. Deal with it.
it’s up atm just for 30/35 guys. Numbers proves that’s a failure.
P.s. 20 people arguing here are just the tip of the iceberg.
…, and yet majority of people demanding, proposing, suggesting, and next to never take into account what they are, and how that reflects on the whole game, they assume that if he wants it, that means everybody else wishes for it, and then come with argumentation “yeah we all want it, so do it”. Don’t even have to go far than this thread to see precisely this behavior…
Even in “Old days” when grass was greener and “everybody plaid in a squad” there were MORE solo players than squads.
Sec Con started with only 4 man squad, adn down the road it had capability for 8 v 8 wings, and that functionality staid there until the end of Sec Con, see you were not aware that function existed, because it was in such demand you could not find a spot on a team to play…
Really didn’t know that, no one ever made a squad bigger then 4 pilots. No one even tried as I recall it. Maybe that’s why I missed that.
Edit: when I joined NASA we had (EU players) avg of 10+ pilots online in afternoon. Every time I loged in there were 10+ guys online. So we could have played it 8 vs 8. IMHO the problem of low activity could be solved by implementing alliances in the game. That could give ppl a chance to play leagues in larger wings/bigger squads w/e
Even in “Old days” when grass was greener and “everybody plaid in a squad” there were MORE solo players than squads.
And more active corporations, social stuffs, people that teached how to play to newcomers.
Now is just randoms master races 99% of the time.
It was overall more competitve and fun.
Really didn’t know that, no one ever made a squad bigger then 4 pilots. No one even tried as I recall it. Maybe that’s why I missed that.
No one tried because it was pointless, you were not allowed to go as 8 man vs randoms, 8 man team required 8 man on opposite side to be a wing, which is pretty much your Leagues proposal. We managed to have like 6 games in wing vs wing back then, vs DNO and vs SCORP but it took us like a one week notice and only on a weekend.
also - no one cares about 4 people squads in PvP. There are Leagues.
oh rly.
No one tried because it was pointless, you were not allowed to go as 8 man vs randoms, 8 man team required 8 man on opposite side to be a wing, which is pretty much your Leagues proposal. We managed to have like 6 games in wing vs wing back then, vs DNO and vs SCORP but it took us like a one week notice and only on a weekend.
I edited that post but w/e… if u think inactivity is the problem devs can implement alliances & problem solved… but they wont do that… God knows why.
OT: Why is it always Kosty vs all?
because kosty is a special kind of special. He argues with the majority of people about what the majority wants. What else could he be?
also - no one cares about 4 people squads in PvP. There are Leagues. Do you want to play in squads daily? Make a league team, curse that someone is missing today, then curse some more cause you cannot make a spot for a friend. Wait till next day. And then and only then you are allowed to play teams! You don’t have dedicated pilots? There is no point in making squad then either. With current number of battles in T5 if both of you will launch at the same time, you will usually end up in the same game. In summary: you can have a “surprise me!” effect and play pvp (different modes, maps etc) or you can have squads (and play CTB all the time).
Yes, game lost a lot of social aspect and building intra-corp bonds because of squad removal, but as Kosty is repeating - 90% of players now are Russian. And they adapted. No one will change something fundamental for 10% of players and if you will read some of those threads there is only less than 20 people complaining. Sorry guys. No point in arguing. You can adjust or leave.
Seriously… Nothing to say but
If we got some way of playing team based PvP with players around the world 24/7 that’d be great