I haven’t seen any Guard frigates made for hull tanking. Do any exist? If not, why? I was looking forward to fly one.
Sure you can build the guard frigates for hull or shield or both.
Sure you can build the guard frigates for hull or shield or both.
But what about the special ability? Phase Shield increases shield damage resistance but not hull resistances, and from what I’ve seen, Guard frigates all have Phase Shield and are therefore made for shield tanking. There don’t seem to be any Guard frigates made for hull tanking which is what I’m looking for.
But what about the special ability? Phase Shield increases shield damage resistance but not hull resistances, and from what I’ve seen, Guard frigates all have Phase Shield and are therefore made for shield tanking. There don’t seem to be any Guard frigates made for hull tanking which is what I’m looking for.
You can still equip all other modules for hull and it still works fine.
Its useless to equip a armor frigate. You will always loose to a shield frigate. Why? Cause of phase shield ofc.
Also hull tanking hasnt worked since I played this game, 2 months ago, tried it a number of times but it is inferior to shield tanking.
Its useless to equip a armor frigate. You will always loose to a shield frigate. Why? Cause of phase shield ofc.
That was my suspicion.
To hull tank effectively you need more resistances rather than stacking hull points. However Engineer ships might make more effective pure hull tanks.
Guard ships would not be effective, for one their special shield which grants the guard ship a damage buff as the shields are still up. Second would be the self healing abilities. Hull repair cool down is lengthy, mainly made as a last resort if your hull takes too much damage. You can hull tank a guard ship but its not going to be effective as a shield tank as shield boosters have faster cool down timers and your ability can resist half the damage taken by that damage type.
The main source of high-hull frigate are from empire and empire dosent have guard class
simple enough
You can still equip all other modules for hull and it still works fine.
Well is it intended for fed ships to have a shield special or is it something you couldnt get done because of the changes. Like shouldnt jericho have a shield special and fed have a hull special?
Federation ships can shield tank as well, but can also hull tank. Shield tanking is a more effective approach on guard ships ether way because of the special ability focusing on shield tanking.
Hull tanking frigates in T3 “were” brokenly OP if built right b/c you would never die and just have reinforcements come in and help you clean up.
Its useless to equip a armor frigate. You will always loose to a shield frigate. Why? Cause of phase shield ofc.
Continue telling that to yourself, it may become true in the future. :crazy:
Continue telling that to yourself, it may become true in the future. :crazy:
You can stack up resistances for armor, true. Can you switch the phase shield to phase armor? no. So guard frigs work best in shield or armor? its quite obvious.
Go for a armor frig and turn your module useless. Go for a shield frig and you got alot of ehp with alot of resistances (if you know how to use shield ofc). 1vs1 in equal skill will win the shield frig. why? cause of the module effectiveness.
The only way a armor frig can be good, its because of the natural emp resistance since alot of ppl just shoot EMP plasma. If you are facing a decent player get ready to face kinetic plasma mod. Sayonara armor frig.
And for what i see, none top notch player flies armor anymore. Mass shield generator is way more effective atm Vs nanocloud hence the survivability of a shield frig.
P.S: i hate shield.
You can stack up resistances for armor, true. Can you switch the phase shield to phase armor? no. So guard frigs work best in shield or armor? its quite obvious.
Go for a armor frig and turn your module useless. Go for a shield frig and you got alot of ehp with alot of resistances (if you know how to use shield ofc). 1vs1 in equal skill will win the shield frig. why? cause of the module effectiveness.
The only way a armor frig can be good, its because of the natural emp resistance since alot of ppl just shoot EMP plasma. If you are facing a decent player get ready to face kinetic plasma mod. Sayonara armor frig.
And for what i see, none top notch player flies armor anymore. Mass shield generator is way more effective atm Vs nanocloud hence the survivability of a shield frig.
P.S: i hate shield.
I don’t sit my rear end on no Guard frigate mate, engineer frigs all the way. And i don’t shoot plasma, rails or lasers are better in the long run. For me , given the conditions are right and proper, its an atriction fight against the shield tanker, and once the shield is broken its just a matter of seconds before the rails + drones + missiles rip right trough it.
I’m gonna see if i can try one out, i’ve only shield tanked on my Ceptors to an extent ( if you call 1 single booster as last resort tanking ).
Without some support , so flying solo , its easier to go for shield tanking or may be even more preferable because you can take double shield regen which has a much lower cooldown than their hull regenerating counterparts.
When playing in a squad and you can be sure to have an Engi in your back you can easily go for hull tanking , just my sight of view 
i use my surgadr empire snipeing frigate to hull tank jest fine rilly i think you might have to wrong mods on or are working the wrong kind of ship for it thought my ship is a teir 3 perm ship it works jest fine for hull tanking jest make sure all you skills and mods are set for it and it is posible but i must say it very evil beuase alot of gun ships/fighters and such think ohh you sheild down now i can kill you but fial to relise you have more hull then sheild all and all yes its posible yes its tatible and yes its hella fun ^^
hull tank will always be inferior so long as shield repair modules continue to have a much shorter cooldown (with the same kind of healing)
If the main issue is Phase Shield, why not raise a suggestion to make Phase Shield affect hull resist as well as shield. That would pretty much solve the problem.
If Phase Shield works as good for hull as it does for shield, you can have it. Phase shield doesn’t work that I have seen. Constantly take damage with the Phase Shield up and plenty of energy in the capacitor. Sometimes it works. Often it just plain doesn’t.