Hello, since I am using a tier 3 ship (WOLF-M), shouldn’t I get matched with people from the same tier?
Why does this happen?
and what other ships did you have in slots?
Rank 9 ships have a fairly high chance of being matched against Rank 10-15 ships rather than Rank 7-9 which although it makes for good fights I would guess isn’t very nice for players who just hit rank 9 for the first time.
The mm recently got broken somehow and you get matched against r15 ships while piloting a r6 ship even if you don’t equip a higher tier ship. I have no idea what’s happening
2 hours ago, OwnageMaster said:
and what other ships did you have in slots?
Exactly - that is a good question ! Maybe they do a bit testing of things to come (with the pilot progression/open space rework patch)?
7 hours ago, avarshina said:
Exactly - that is a good question ! Maybe they do a bit testing of things to come (with the pilot progression/open space rework patch)?
One tier,
And just one rank of ships?
Or
One tier and 20 ranks of ships with insane buffs for lower ranks?
9 hours ago, EndeavSTEEL said:
The mm recently got broken somehow and you get matched against r15 ships while piloting a r6 ship even if you don’t equip a higher tier ship. I have no idea what’s happening
There is nothing broken here, we’re low on numbers hence this mm. Some were complaining about long queues, this is the solution to that despite that waiting longer would give a better game in terms of balance. Some call this as “the best thing ever happened to this game” among other things, they may preach whatever they want…apart from them, their alts and 2-3 more people, no1 seems to agree with that as it’s simply an efford to justify the unjustified.
53 minutes ago, ComWittman said:
There is nothing broken here, we’re low on numbers hence this mm. Some were complaining about long queues, this is the solution to that despite that waiting longer would give a better game in terms of balance. Some call this as “the best thing ever happened to this game” among other things, they may preach whatever they want…apart from them, their alts and 2-3 more people, no1 seems to agree with that as it’s simply an efford to justify the unjustified.
Another one. Hey, let’s make some conspiracy theories and if someone will disagree, then call him a liar or even worse - call him a developer supporter! I’m usually just lurking here, but looks like AngryCatfish, Original_Taz and you are the same person. Never saw a positive post from those three accounts, all are doing the same conspiracy theories usually based on the lack of knowledge and the most common thing is derailing threads to actual whining subject and common usage of no one, everyone, always and never.
Prove me that we have less players than - let’s say - a year ago. Don’t guess, don’t say “it looks like” or “everyone knows that” - just prove it.
Speculating is ok, but unless you are not a developer - you have no idea what are the plans for this game in the future except what they will tell you.
And if you don’t like it - stop playing, no point in wasting time of your life on something you don’t like.
3 hours ago, GatoGrande said:
One tier,
And just one rank of ships?
Or
One tier and 20 ranks of ships with insane buffs for lower ranks?
One tier, only? I guess no, at least 1 tier for newbees and 1 or maybe 2 for the rest, thats my gut feeling. So why do I think so? That’s because the SC lore indicated problems with Crew implants and an upcoming pilot rank progression thing. Implants make balancing more complex. If you want to keep a growing ship tree (for collecting and incentive giving for grinding/buying), growing from max rank 15 to ranks 16,17,18 and on…, but if you want to avoid difficulties in harmonizing ships’ stats in battles like PvP etc. that’s what you do: reduce complexity. More growing complexity makes it more and more hard to test, collect data and then implement resulting balance-work for ships, weapons etc…
I think the ships will be adjusted to a lower - less steep difference in stats/buffs = less risk, less work.
But: we will get a pilot ranking - which implies -indirectly- a new model mm based on this new stats … so imagine mm based more on player abilities/skills than on ship ranks!!
2 hours ago, ComWittman said:
There is nothing broken here, we’re low on numbers hence this mm. Some were complaining about long queues, this is the solution to that despite that waiting longer would give a better game in terms of balance. Some call this as “the best thing ever happened to this game” among other things, they may preach whatever they want…apart from them, their alts and 2-3 more people, no1 seems to agree with that as it’s simply an efford to justify the unjustified.
Try to think like a game-engineer/dev, solving problems, you come up with solutions that maybe not perfect, because no solution can be perfect, because problem is complex and has variables on opposing ends. A game-engineer must implement the relative best solution, fitted to adress multiple problems.
Low numbers, yes – and still more different queues? Would make less players per sub-queue - not? Making problems even worse (long wait, 1vs1, imbalance). What was here a storm of critique when we had longer wait times. Seems like devs cannot serve alle tastes, here, regardless what they do?
Atm MM will throw you in to T5 matches in just about any ships and I hate it. Only reason to play PvP for me any more is the one purple daily. Otherwise it’s just a drag every time. You either win by a landslide or lose by one and that’s no fun.
Yes - mixed tiers is complicated: some love it some hate it!
No - there are also very challenging PvP battles inbetween.
Yes - more random win/looses, so stats are not that important any more.
Don’t forget: I say it over and over, just 3-4 weeks and we will get a major upgrade maybe even SC 1.6 who knows: just a bit time to hold out and wait and we have to judge a major new system altogether!
In the meantime lets be fair, they have limited man-hours at their disposal, we cannot expect wonders every 2 months!
15 hours ago, EndeavSTEEL said:
The mm recently got broken somehow and you get matched against r15 ships while piloting a r6 ship even if you don’t equip a higher tier ship. I have no idea what’s happening
the game is SO underpopulated they have to queue every player on the server to get 20 players in a PVP match
The game lack of advertising and he need to be at least on the front page of steam, but i’m sure they have their own reason. Or do they…
And now we’re right back to sometimes waiting 5+ minutes for a PVP match. People are avoiding PVP, big surprise there. Go vs AI and if you wait more than 1-2 minutes it’s bad, usually games pop within a few seconds but PVP? Not so much. Some people I know don’t even do it for the daily irridium anymore because of unbalanced teams, they go up against the same bunch of experienced players on the other team game after game, it’s like certain people like to form a team for PVP to ensure they get matched against a bunch of randoms that have no chance rather than possibly have a match against eachother or other vets that would actually be a challenge. In other words, it’s even easier for them to go seal clubbing now.
If the point of these MM changes was to get people to quit PVP altogether then it’s working very well. A lot of people have just straight up quit the game entirely, the corp I’m in used to have half the roster active on any given day now if there’s more than 2-3 of us on at any one time we’re lucky and a lot of people haven’t logged on in days or weeks.
1 hour ago, Waxfruit said:
And now we’re right back to sometimes waiting 5+ minutes for a PVP match. People are avoiding PVP, big surprise there. Go vs AI and if you wait more than 1-2 minutes it’s bad, usually games pop within a few seconds but PVP? Not so much. Some people I know don’t even do it for the daily irridium anymore because of unbalanced teams, they go up against the same bunch of experienced players on the other team game after game, it’s like certain people like to form a team for PVP to ensure they get matched against a bunch of randoms that have no chance rather than possibly have a match against eachother or other vets that would actually be a challenge. In other words, it’s even easier for them to go seal clubbing now.
If the point of these MM changes was to get people to quit PVP altogether then it’s working very well. A lot of people have just straight up quit the game entirely, the corp I’m in used to have half the roster active on any given day now if there’s more than 2-3 of us on at any one time we’re lucky and a lot of people haven’t logged on in days or weeks.
Blame devs. People wanted skill based MM? They made skill based MM. So no ranks, ships are adjusted to give every ship a fair chance of winning. Some people are crying that R15s are OP, R15 pilots are crying that R5s are OP. So all is fine on that front. If you are a newbie, you will not get matched against pro players (unless you go for squads), on the other hand pro player taking a beginner ship will still be matched against other pro players. Squads are matched by the number of players in squads first (unfortunately) and then MM tries to level skill points on both sides with random players. It is practically impossible to match pro players squad against a bunch of randoms - they will not have a game. Also - to speed up the pvp - use the options for searching opponents in the background.
1 hour ago, niripas said:
Blame devs. People wanted skill based MM? They made skill based MM.
I don’t understand why skill based MM need to be without tiers?
MM should be made so that we have even teams and close games, this would be balanced MM.
Also, who are those people ?
I think it was just one smart guy.
I don’t blame devs for this, I blame _ Grumpy _ _ Gus _.
I wonder why he didn’t post any comment on this thread yet 
1 minute ago, SunnySweet said:
I _ Grumpy _ _ Gus _.
Watch out, focusing on that one guy wont make anything better.
Think wisely what you complain about or it will end in the devs removing all the good stuff of this patch and keeping all the bad stuff.
5 minutes ago, Oregyen said:
Watch out, focusing on that one guy wont make anything better.
Think wisely what you complain about or it will end in the devs removing all the good stuff of this patch and keeping all the bad stuff.
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Oh, I just posted that on another tread how things are working here.
33 minutes ago, SunnySweet said:
I don’t understand why skill based MM need to be without tiers?
MM should be made so that we have even teams and close games, this would be balanced MM.
Also, who are those people ?
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58 minutes ago, avarshina said:
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Sorry, I was not active on the forum then.
Not that it would make any difference.