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Most of the reply’s here aren’t from members, same is true for your own thread Tillowaty. Only reason I am not a member is because my friend betrayed me. I guess he was never my friend in the first place. I have said what I needed to say, even if more wordy than I liked.

Unless any more accusations are brought up that I need to clear up, then I am done here. In case you haven’t noticed.

 

I am also grateful the moderators have allowed this to play out.  Not sure if any rules were broken or not here. I have tried to stay within the boundaries of the rules.

Now you all have a great time.

 

It’s awesome, isn’t it?

 

It still holds higher lvl of whatever than all that shiz brought to da light by them.

I’m just surprised Error didn’t delete all of it coz Dr isn’t Arch member afterall. :012j:

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The way I see it:

 

There’s two guys. Person A and Person B. Let’s call them Al and Bob.

 

Al owns a business. It goes pretty okay, has a lot of patrons. It’s seen as a bit seedy by a lot of other folks, though. But hey, the business performs pretty okay, if only due to sheer volume.

Eventually, Al gets a little tired of running the business. Too many complications, too many conspiracy theories. He hands over the ownership to Bob on a temporary basis.

 

Bob thinks that the business ought to be a little less shady. He renames the thing, cleans up the inside a bit. It’s not that much better, but hey, it’s something. At least there’s fewer conspiracy theories and kaiju. Thing is, he did this even though he was only supposed to be the temporary owner. Whoops.

 

So Al comes around and asks for the business back. Bob kinda likes owning the business, so instead he offers the full cost, plus some, to buy it. Al accepts, asking that Bob let him work as a manager there. Bob lets him.

 

Al then decides that he doesn’t like the new changes. There’s been lower relative performance, after all. Clearly this means something is entirely wrong with the whole system. So he goes to a public place and gets on his soapbox and tells the world about how Buisiness B*  is deliberately sabotaging him, how Bob has been a terrible owner, etc., etc.

 

    *I can vouch that it is a completely neutral third party. I mean, we’re a laid back group, never really managed to get our act together that well. Why would we want to deliberately ruin something we don’t even have a stake in?

 

Bob doesn’t like this very much, so he fires Al. Al then comes back, threatening Bob. As he leaves, he gives him a slip of paper with Bob’s home address on it. Any implications, there?..

 

 

If this happened in the real world, Dr. Death would get a restraining order put on him. At the very least. Thankfully, this is just a game. Which raises questions about why he’s so salty, but whatever. There was a legitimate transaction. Period, end of sentence. Dr. Death behaved irresponsibly, rowdily. He got kicked out of the establishment. No, his previous powers do not entitle him to anything. Bill Gates can’t just walk into a Microsoft office, yell about how terrible Win8 is, and then give legitimately credible threats to the higher-ups. I honestly don’t see the problem here – Dr. Death is clearly in the wrong.

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I think you missed some parts of this whole situation. I have the logs greyed out, but you can drag to highlight in blue and it will become visible. I made it clear I was not willing to sell unless these terms were met. I wish i could access in game sent mail, and copy paste in game mail, because it was stated there are well. There it  was more properly written. Either way it was very clear. No amount of money would have got me to rescind that one exception.

 

Had this been the scenario you described I would be getting a licensing attorney, not a restraining order against me. It was basically a licensing deal. He has full control with one exception. I kept my position. The only way he could fire me under those terms was if I had used my VP powers. He violated the agreement.

 

If I had started the refund process as I almost did. The only reason i didn’t was I was not sure the result. Today I learned I would have had my corp back. If I had known that I would have played my cards slightly different. But I just signed my own licensing deal. Once I was accepted in another corp, I signed a contract. I will give the same loyatly to this corp as I had expected from my own members. My honor has forced me to stop with the repossession. However from now till may 26th anything could happen. So far Nuke has displayed he is not honorable, so there is still a possibility I may be forced to go through with the repo.  That dependent on Nukes actions outside of the game.

 

My threats were indirect, but carried out. I exposed this breach of trust. The few key people were ready to do what was necessary to right this wrong, but they were 2 hours too late, because I got accepted into another corp, therefore I am now under contract.

 

Every previous Temp CEO was compensated financially except karma, because he left before I could… I had offered the same plus Nukes cost for the unauthorized changes, but he counter offered. But no matter how much he offered no amount was going to get me to forfeit my VP. I made that extremely clear multiple times.

 

In real life companies make these sort of clauses all the time, and when they are violated steep penalties are the price. In this case his rep. Nukes actions has definitely destroyed his integrity.

 

 

If this happened in the real world, Dr. Death would get a restraining order put on him. At the very least. Thankfully, this is just a game. Which raises questions about why he’s so salty, but whatever. There was a legitimate transaction. Period, end of sentence. Dr. Death behaved irresponsibly, rowdily. He got kicked out of the establishment. No, his previous powers do not entitle him to anything. Bill Gates can’t just walk into a Microsoft office, yell about how terrible Win8 is, and then give legitimately credible threats to the higher-ups. I honestly don’t see the problem here – Dr. Death is clearly in the wrong.

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I think you missed some parts of this whole situation. I have the logs greyed out, but you can drag to highlight in blue and it will become visible. I made it clear I was not willing to sell unless these terms were met. I wish i could access in game sent mail, and copy paste in game mail, because it was stated there are well. There it  was more properly written. Either way it was very clear. No amount of money would have got me to rescind that one exception.

 

Had this been the scenario you described I would be getting a licensing attorney, not a restraining order against me. It was basically a licensing deal. He has full control with one exception. I kept my position. The only way he could fire me under those terms was if I had used my VP powers. He violated the agreement.

 

If I had started the refund process as I almost did. The only reason i didn’t was I was not sure the result. Today I learned I would have had my corp back. If I had known that I would have played my cards slightly different. But I just signed my own licensing deal. Once I was accepted in another corp, I signed a contract. I will give the same loyatly to this corp as I had expected from my own members. My honor has forced me to stop with the repossession. However from now till may 26th anything could happen. So far Nuke has displayed he is not honorable, so there is still a possibility I may be forced to go through with the repo.  That dependent on Nukes actions outside of the game.

 

My threats were indirect, but carried out. I exposed this breach of trust. The few key people were ready to do what was necessary to right this wrong, but they were 2 hours too late, because I got accepted into another corp, therefore I am now under contract.

 

Every previous Temp CEO was compensated financially except karma, because he left before I could… I had offered the same plus Nukes cost for the unauthorized changes, but he counter offered. But no matter how much he offered no amount was going to get me to forfeit my VP. I made that extremely clear multiple times.

 

In real life companies make these sort of clauses all the time, and when they are violated steep penalties are the price. In this case his rep. Nukes actions has definitely destroyed his integrity.

'cept, y’know, you didn’t sign a contract. And you’re being petulant. Neither of which earns you any favours, especially after making a credible threat to NuclearHail’s person.

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It was to his reputation not person, get your facts straight. I never said what I would do.

My intent was to do one of 2 things or both. I was not expecting option 3

  1. Expose him for violating his deal, putting a permanent mark against his integrity,

  2. Refund him due to violation of terms, and start the repo process.

  3. I get recruited into a corp better than my own.

 

We both know each others first and last name. When people think they can be bullies because they are online and no one knows who there are, Reminding them who they are usually straightens them out. In this case we both know each other names, So that is not a valid point to use against me. Its not like I docxed him.

 

One more thought. Bill Gates is still part of Microsoft, and yet he does very litle. He has nothing to do with the company anymore as of the last interview. He just keeps his spot and maybe attends some board meetings. Its different because its a game, but since you want to bring real world scenarios. This situation describes what my purpose was with the agreement fairly well. I do nothing, just hold a certain seat.

 

Either way I am in Scorp Now. Unless Nuke makes anymore trouble, this is supposedly over. After a certain grace period has passed things will lock.

Everything is on stand by  until this date.

 

I assume this is you troll baiting me, maybe you are not. It seems you missed some points along the way or chose to ignore them(TB). After checking you out I realized you are with NASA.

But I have no problem explaining myself. I feel I have done everything as honorable as possible given the circumstances. I would prefer not to be ask, but you asked or accused.

'cept, y’know, you didn’t sign a contract. And you’re being petulant. Neither of which earns you any favours, especially after making a credible threat to NuclearHail’s person.

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Dude, why the hell did you not listen to me. That’s what I want to know. This xxxx is petty, so stop discussing it in the forums. Deal with it in PMs and IMs.

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  1. Expose him for violating his deal, putting a permanent mark against his integrity,

Who told you that was an acceptable thing to do? When you were a kid, did your mother never tell you not to speak ill of others? Or did your friends never say not to tattle? “Mommy, he broke his promise!” is what I’m hearing. He gave you $150 and a position when he could have given you neither. Ever been told that you’re acting childish? Well, I’m telling you now.

 

  1. Refund him due to violation of terms, and start the repo process.

Well, clearly that didn’t work out for you, did it? And thus your backup plan is to run out to the playground, screaming about how he broke his promise.

 

  1. I get recruited into a corp better than my own.

Good for you. SCORP has some really great players. I’m not sure if it’s fortunate or not that they don’t participate in the English speaking community.

 

We both know each others first and last name. When people think they can be bullies because they are online and no one knows who there are, Reminding them who they are usually straightens them out. In this case we both know each other names, So that is not a valid point to use against me. Its not like I docxed him.

Oh, okay. So if I get in a spat with my girlfriend over the phone, I just need to remind her that I know where she sleeps. Thanks for the advice.

 

One more thought. Bill Gates is still part of Microsoft, and yet he does very litle. He has nothing to do with the company anymore as of the last interview. He just keeps his spot and maybe attends some board meetings. Its different because its a game, but since you want to bring real world scenarios. This situation describes what my purpose was with the agreement fairly well. I do nothing, just hold a certain seat.

Yes, do nothing but hold a seat. And yet, I get the distinct feeling that Gates would lose his position if he started walking around employees, talking about how much their work with Win8 sucks.

 

Either way I am in Scorp Now. Unless Nuke makes anymore trouble, this is supposedly over. After a certain grace period has passed things will lock.

Everything is on stand by  until this date.

Being completely honest here, not facetious at all: Nice. It’s good to hear that you and NuclearHail have worked it out.

 

I assume this is you troll baiting me, maybe you are not. It seems you missed some points along the way or chose to ignore them(TB).

Oh, if I were troll baiting you, I’d have a hell of a lot more reaction images. And probably a lot more “u mad?”

 

After checking you out I realized you are with NASA.

Congratulations, you read my location description. Or went all the way in game and looked up my profile. Which might have taken a while, since my in-game name is all lower case, unlike my forum name.

Either way, not entirely sure about why you bring that up. Like I said in an earlier post, we don’t even have our act together when playing in-game. Why we’d suddenly start acting as a conspiracy to annoy you when we don’t even have a stake in the matter is a mystery to me.

 

But I have no problem explaining myself. I feel I have done everything as honorable as possible given the circumstances. I would prefer not to be ask, but you asked or accused.

I have no idea what you mean by either of those, so okay.

Anyhow, internet arguments are fun and all, but this is probably getting to the point where it’s going to go on forever. Go ahead and respond to this post, but I’m done for now.

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I’m just going to offer my thoughts now as a completely neutral party (yes I’m NASA, but that means absolutely nothing). 

 

From my understanding of this situation, both parties are at fault in some way or another. DrDeath is at fault for breaking corporate rules. Since the CEO position was given to NuclearHail legitimately, and the money changed hands, the position is NuclearHail’s. Just because you offer a full refund doesn’t mean that he has to accept. That is a condition you should have thought of before making the deal.

 

As far as the deal is concerned, both parties are at fault for a lack of communication. DrDeath did not make it clear he wanted his VP status permanently, regardless of what he did. That right there would have posed problems had it been brought up. As NuclearHail stated, breaking corporate policy will result in a demotion or eventual kick, so having a permanent VP position could be a violation of corporate policy. NuclearHail is also at fault, as his response of “I can respect that” did not have clear meaning. “I can respect that” only means that he respects the statement, but it does not mean he accepts or declines the proposal. Had both parties been more clear with this transition of power, I’m sure a lot of this trouble could have been spared.

 

Overall, DrDeath is primarily at fault, as he violated corporate policies. This does not mean NuclearHail is in the clear either, he could have been much more clear on his terms of the agreement, as could DrDeath. Now lies the remaining issue, the threat. If what DrDeath said is true, that they both know each others’ first and last names, then it isn’t a major threat (it still is a threat, but not as extreme as it has been made out to be). But if no knowledge of each others’ names was known beforehand, this threat is actually extremely serious, as it is an invasion of privacy.

 

On a point of clarity, NASA has no affiliation with Arch, we are not rivals, nor are we allies. They are simply another corp for us to shoot at.

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Who told you that was an acceptable thing to do? When you were a kid, did your mother never tell you not to speak ill of others? Or did your friends never say not to tattle? “Mommy, he broke his promise!” is what I’m hearing. He gave you $150 and a position when he could have given you neither. Ever been told that you’re acting childish? Well, I’m telling you now.

His corporation was hijacked. i think this is different. 

 

I’m just going to offer my thoughts now as a completely neutral party (yes I’m NASA, but that means absolutely nothing). 

well first off, if ur in nasa, it means u probably can’t be a neutral party and u being neutral is unbelievable.

but otherwise, yes, being in nasa means absolutely nothing. 

 

Death’s corp was hijacked. end of story. here’s what happened, death was the pilot, hailstorm was the copilot. death left the pilots chair to go for a potty break, hail locked the doors and wouldn’t let him in. plane crash. sound familiar? 

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As i understand it, Dr.Death made it pretty clear multiple times that he wanted the VP position very much, Nuclear Hail must have known that.Nuclear hail must also have known that he and Dr Death have quite opposite opinions and that there would be trouble later.

 

Nuclear Hail accepted the VP deal because he wanted to have the corporation and without the VP position DrDeath would not have accepted handing it over. He most likely answered vaguely because he already had in mind to get rid of Dr. Death sooner or later. 

 

That Dr. Death made trouble was then a welcome reason to throw him out.

 

While i can understand this actions, i dont like it. It is clear that Dr.Death had to leave otherwise there would always have been trouble. On the other hand, Nuclear Hail should have told Dr Death: “Hey if u dont behave like i want u are out”. He didnt do it because he wanted the deal to be done.

 

Its no big deal ,after al lits a game, but i dont like people who wriggle themselves out of agreements by using the letter and not the meaning of a contract. As i understood it, Dr.Death adressed the VP status several times, so its importance was known, and also the opposing behaviour of both parties were known.

 

It is in my opinion not right to agree to something because it is neccesary at the moment and the later break the agreement when it is easy to do so. When DrDeath would have told me like the 4th time that he really wants to have dat VP position, i would have told him:“man u loose it if u violate my rules”. And when he then would have said: “No deal then” i would have opened my own corp and asked the people to join this new corp.

 

That would have been clear deal instead of dis mess.

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I’m out.

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MassDeath, on 08 Apr 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:snapback.png

  1. Refund him due to violation of terms, and start the repo process.

Well, clearly that didn’t work out for you, did it? And thus your backup plan is to run out to the playground, screaming about how he broke his promise.

 

Actually Option 2 is still an option. I thought for sure it was very unlikely, but as I discovered when I wrote this reply it is still an option until the waiting period is over. Only reason it is not being pursued is because I signed on with scorp.

 

I don’t have to let this ride. Had I not joined scorp, I would defiantly have gone through with the repo. At this point I have no intent on pursuing the repo. There are certain exceptions that could happen during the maturity period. That’s entirely up to Nuke how this plays out. he proven to be less than honest so far. We will see how low he goes.

Bill Gates

Yes, do nothing but hold a seat. And yet, I get the distinct feeling that Gates would lose his position if he started walking around employees, talking about how much their work with Win8 sucks.

I never said one thing good or bad about Nuke. When he insulted all the players who were in corp and me, is when I let my opinion be known.  I got a few complaints about Nuke running the corp into the ground long before agreement. I never responded to them, let alone discus my opinion of things.

Last thing for you. I figured out you were in NASA, because I was also in game when I read your post ans seen you type. I checked that way.

 

 

DrDeath did not make it clear he wanted his VP status permanently, regardless of what he did. As NuclearHail stated, breaking corporate policy will result in a demotion or eventual kick, so having a permanent VP position could be a violation of corporate policy. NuclearHail is also at fault, as his response of “I can respect that” did not have clear meaning. “I can respect that” only means that he respects the statement, but it does not mean he accepts or declines the proposal.

Unfortunately I am not able to pull sent in game mail. I cant copy received in game mail. This discussion went on for a week. There are at least 3 messages better written that whats in a chat log in. The in game mail that was sent to Nuke, was extremely clear, I would retain Permanent VP status or there would be no deal.

 

As far as breaking so called corporate policy that’s more vague than this contract could ever be. I don’t see a violation there. Under my own rules, what I said to the diss-connecters is in the spirit of Good Sportsmanship. What I said to you nasa guys was very nice compared to some of the things many of you have said to me. It really don’t matter what I say, because many of you Nasa guys just have it out for me. It is no secret. its all over this forum.

 

Bottom line I am trying to let this ride until the maturity date. As long as Nuke don’t make a move he regrets I wont be forced to start the repo. Again I repeat The repo always was and still is an option. I am only choosing to let it ride because I made a move that now conflicts with my repo.  If I renege on my move then I am no better than nuke. My move being I Joined Scorp. I think you 2 really should go back to the beginning and read it over, you both missed some key parts.

 

Have a great day.

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So my question still remains, as to why you are discussing this publically and embarrassing both of yourselves. Take this to an admin and leave it out of public forum.

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His corporation was hijacked. i think this is different. 

 

 

I think you need to update your definition of hijacked. NuclearHail paid DrDeath, and DrDeath agreed to let NuclearHail take over the corp, which is far from hijacking, quite the opposite in fact.

 

well first off, if ur in nasa, it means u probably can’t be a neutral party and u being neutral is unbelievable.

but otherwise, yes, being in nasa means absolutely nothing. 

 

Being in NASA doesn’t present bias in this argument whatsoever. As stated before, NASA has no affiliation, good or bad, with Arch. Therefore, being in NASA presents no bias.

 

Death’s corp was hijacked. end of story. here’s what happened, death was the pilot, hailstorm was the copilot. death left the pilots chair to go for a potty break, hail locked the doors and wouldn’t let him in. plane crash. sound familiar? 

 

Like I said, his corp wasn’t hijacked. NuclearHail offered DrDeath money to be the new CEO, and DrDeath agreed to the terms, so long as he could be a VP. As I stated earlier, this didn’t excuse him from breaking corporate policy. NuclearHail made it very clear that what DrDeath did was against corporate policy, and so he was punished for it by being demoted, just as any other Arch pilot would have been.

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Dirk, thats nonsense. DrDeath stated right here he doesnt like Nasa. That alone will annoy ur corp and pretty much end ur neutrality. I also suppose there is a backstory of rather not so good interaction between nasa and DrDeath. I dont want to talk about nasa leaderships typical social behaviour, so lets just stop here.    

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 As stated before, NASA has no affiliation, good or bad, with Arch. Therefore, being in NASA presents no bias.

 

Dirk, thats nonsense. DrDeath stated right here he doesnt like Nasa. That alone will annoy ur corp and pretty much end ur neutrality. I also suppose there is a backstory of rather not so good interaction between nasa and DrDeath. I dont want to talk about nasa leaderships typical social behaviour, so lets just stop here.    

 

guyz I told you before…

Nuke was my agent/spy all dat time.  :012j:

 

and da mission was successful!

kaiju and Dr are out!

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Why kaiju?

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I think you need to update your definition of hijacked. NuclearHail paid DrDeath, and DrDeath agreed to let NuclearHail take over the corp, which is far from hijacking, quite the opposite in fact.

 

 

Being in NASA doesn’t present bias in this argument whatsoever. As stated before, NASA has no affiliation, good or bad, with Arch. Therefore, being in NASA presents no bias.

 

 

Like I said, his corp wasn’t hijacked. NuclearHail offered DrDeath money to be the new CEO, and DrDeath agreed to the terms, so long as he could be a VP. As I stated earlier, this didn’t excuse him from breaking corporate policy. NuclearHail made it very clear that what DrDeath did was against corporate policy, and so he was punished for it by being demoted, just as any other Arch pilot would have been.

Don’t make the future owner of middle sectors angry, u won’t like him angry.

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Don’t make the future owner of middle sectors angry, u won’t like him angry.

 

ESB?

 

:-p

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Like I said, his corp wasn’t hijacked. NuclearHail offered DrDeath money to be the new CEO, and DrDeath agreed to the terms, so long as he could be a VP. As I stated earlier, this didn’t excuse him from breaking corporate policy. NuclearHail made it very clear that what DrDeath did was against corporate policy, and so he was punished for it by being demoted, just as any other Arch pilot would have been.

 

Be it without any kind of warning what so ever. My integrity or honor has never been challeged before. He was looking for an excuse to welch out on his end. First chance he took it no matter how slight. This is the so called violation. He was behaiving way worse that this today in game in chat with a unrelated person.

2 words edited because I was told it was agains the chat rules. Sadly I lost the original to this log.

 

14:11:59.281     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] Why is it whenever there is a disconnect there is a high chance it is a nasa player. are all nasa guys c****s.

14:12:16.468     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[  Mckay] 

14:12:32.423     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] they die a few times and get b*** hurt and disconnect wtf

14:12:47.040     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ ArcTic] not all

14:12:52.102     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] many are

14:13:00.968     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ ArcTic] true

14:13:06.490     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] if they see a few strong players on the other team they always disconnect

14:13:22.986     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[  Mckay] seriously?

14:13:27.057     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] i see the same stuff and i just stick it out and take the butt whooping hoping i might win

14:13:28.425     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ ArcTic] Recoil, Catbox, everrdylost, Milfuelle, and statue or all good guys

14:29:50.998     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] my luck is just crap so time to alt f4 and play again at a later time

14:29:59.135     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] did you hear about that DrDeath guy? he DC almost every game

14:30:02.857     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] they should ban him

14:30:09.947     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] i never disconnect

14:30:15.359     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] prove it

14:30:24.798     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] report me

14:30:36.363     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] i report disconnects

14:30:40.096     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] noone gets banned for that

14:30:44.300     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] checked with few pilots

14:31:04.471     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] its called unsportsmanship like behavior and it is a bannable offense if done enough times

14:31:40.580     CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] for some reason many of you nasa guys disconnect alot like ankburak xkostyan for starters

 

Didn’t think it was a threat at the time. I also didn’t think HailStorm084 aka NuclearHail was gonna welch out. I had before this issue thought of him a freind. Its why The comment dirk said could not have happened, because I turn the other way when freind do things I dont agree with. Take MotherShip for example. Look at all the stuf I let ride with him before I finally acted.

 

Maybe I was slightly too harsh by 2 words, but my comments were in the spirit of good sportsmanship. Disconnects are just not cool. I want my matches to last a bit. Sucks waiting 5 or so minutes just for a match to end in 30 seconds or so due to disconnects.

Since this incident, it appears nasa Guys are not disconnecting anymore.