I turned over the Corp to HailStorm084. I may or may not want to be CEO. I have reserved the right, but for now I will remain a silent partner until I get interested in the game again. Just super burned out on it. Plus its racing season, and I have been spending most of my gaming hours on the track or training in sims.
I have already won 2 races this season, and lost a few, but still maintained podiums. Its a fun and expensive sport. Been out of the race for 3 years, its good to be back.
I owned this corp. I wrote the initial rules of honor and integrity for this corp. It was called The Corp [CORP] The name was changed without my permission while I was away for 3 months.
I gave temporary CEO to NuclearHail aka HailStorm088 at the time he became CEO.
About 2 months ago I asked for my CEO position back. Every attempt to get it back was ignored until I stirred some things up in corp chat with some of my fellow vets. He eventually messages my inbox. He states he dont think its a good idea I have my spot back and so on. At the end he ask if I would consider selling the corp. I wait a week before doing anything to think about it. I decide I don’t want to sell it. When I ask again I would like to have my spot back, He replies he is fully prepared to make me an offer. I have said many times its not about the money. Its about the achievements. We discuss some things as he tries to convince me. I made it clear if we were to come to an agreement I must keep my VP for the purpose of future achievements. I promised I would not use my VP powers in any way unless he asked me. Eventually we come to an agreement I accept the offer on the terms I keep my VP status for the purpose of achievements.
One of the deciding factors was, I was going to have to buy more gold to put my corp name logo and tag back. I no longer wanted to lead. I had been passing that off to people long before HailStorm088 now NuclearHail Joined my Corp. The only thing I did was try to keep people from being sore sports. Otherwise I was a silent leader in that regard. I had a recent shift in my work load which doesn’t give me the time I used to have. With the terms in place it appears we have a legit deal. Just one problem he decides to not honor his part of the deal and kicks me from THE CORP because Nasa told him to.
That was based on several instances where players with NASA tags disconnect, because we were put against ESB squads.
After they blamed me for the loss when they had disconnected I shamed them in global. I dont think it was more than 8 lines.
Logs below if anyone is interested. Everyone else in the log was deleted for their privacy. I probably violated some rule here, but my point is this situation was less than honorable. Now I am getting screwed out of dreads achievement. I dump something like 15,000 artifacts maybe more or a little less just to get us done faster. I was full gold looting mods and paying for the extra artifact drops when every I got an opportunity. I had just bought more gold to buy more artifacts this week end. I have another 1,000 already stored up.
What Nuke claims is why he kicked me FROM MY CORP. People who disconnect should be shamed as i have done below. It is pretty mild and all just Banter.
14:11:59.281 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] Why is it whenever there is a disconnect there is a high chance it is a nasa player.
14:12:16.468 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ Mckay]
14:12:32.423 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] they die a few times and get butt hurt and disconnect wtf
14:12:47.040 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ ArcTic] not all
14:12:52.102 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] many are
14:13:00.968 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ ArcTic] true
14:13:06.490 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] if they see a few strong players on the other team they always disconnect
14:13:22.986 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ Mckay] seriously?
14:13:27.057 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] i see the same stuff and i just stick it out and take the butt whooping hoping i might win
14:13:28.425 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ ArcTic] Recoil, Catbox, everrdylost, Milfuelle, and statue or all good guys
14:29:50.998 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] my luck is just crap so time to alt f4 and play again at a later time
14:29:59.135 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] did you hear about that DrDeath guy? he DC almost every game
14:30:02.857 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] they should ban him
14:30:09.947 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] i never disconnect
14:30:15.359 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] prove it
14:30:24.798 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] report me
14:30:36.363 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] i report disconnects
14:30:40.096 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] noone gets banned for that
14:30:44.300 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[Tillowaty] checked with few pilots
14:31:04.471 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] its called unsportsmanship like behavior and it is a bannable offense if done enough times
14:31:40.580 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[DrDeath] for some reason many of you nasa guys disconnect alot like ankburak xkostyan for starters
14:32:02.858 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[starcoaster] keep is civil guys
Our Corp Sale agreement from the chat logs
03:27:57.799 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] I think it is time I get my CEO spot back. If I have to, I will pay you for the name changes. I have been playing alot more than I expected to.
03:28:58.012 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] And actually I wanted to talk to you about the state of leadership.
03:29:36.064 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I would like to offer to buy this corporation from you, rather than the other way around.
03:32:40.796 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] Compared to when I joined and before I took the CEO spot, it’s been an amazing turnaround.
03:32:43.500 CHAT| < PRIVATE To >[WolfKhan] i was in corp chat sorry i got you back
03:32:52.247 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I don’t know what it was like before.
03:33:03.509 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] we went from top 10 to not on the leader board
03:33:10.843 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] I dont exactly callthat good
03:33:13.154 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] But even the troll corps and the less-likable ones respect us.
03:33:26.536 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] Players message me saying they’re afraid of the Arch tag again.
03:33:27.396 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] I never cared if the troll corps liked us
03:33:34.833 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] al i cared about was being the top
03:33:43.013 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] There are many ways to reach the top.
03:33:47.248 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] i feel when I was ambitious I did very well at it
03:34:05.297 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] That may be.
03:34:12.634 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] I made sure we had a reserve of top teir pilots and fill the rest with lower stats players, bnut still strong
03:34:19.067 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] \My stats filter worked
03:34:24.053 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] Something I’m working on keeping.
03:34:30.289 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] it worked very well and that why the troll corps hated us
03:34:34.356 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I have a bit more of a strict filter, but.
03:34:46.714 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] but now we all this valuabvle space not being used
03:35:07.494 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] Just because it’s not used doesn’t mean we won’t fill it with time.
03:35:11.542 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] peopel who met my critia had indefintie slack like beaconhoe
03:35:45.645 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] he would go 45 days inactive, but he was a good player, while a player near our minimum would be booted at 2 week to make space
03:35:47.505 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] But my point stands. I believe that I am best fit for the role I have taken and I’ve committed a large part of my soul to it now.
03:36:57.610 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] Ihave 2 years into this. My point is you cant say I did a bad job. From 3 days after i made this corp to about 6 months ago this corp was number to number 5 at all times in all leader boards.
03:37:01.723 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] You may take any members with you that you wish.
03:37:11.209 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] (that will leave willingly)
03:37:14.922 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] make me an offer.
03:37:31.758 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] just did not like being put down
03:37:46.301 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] I no longer have the ambition I once did
03:37:54.264 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I’m not certain as to the prices involved, but I can offer you $150.
03:38:07.914 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] But when I did have it, I really was passionate aboutit
03:38:26.787 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] That should pay for the GS costs that may come from founding a new corporation, paying for additional slots and any other changes.
03:38:27.308 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] 150 sounds like a fair offer.
03:38:56.705 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I fully respect what you made and I have no intention of leaving you empty handed.
03:39:04.614 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] but I would like to keep my vp staus just for the future achievements
03:39:22.196 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] 150 slots here. I have always kept my word
03:39:29.962 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] If I buy it off of you, you must understand that power becomes mine fully and permanently.
03:39:37.210 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ Damgam] yea. aliens are OP
03:39:41.623 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ Damgam] haha
03:40:01.083 CHAT| <#general_ENGLISH>[ Damgam] we will beat them with dreadnoughts 
03:40:04.169 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] yes once money has changed hand. Part of the deal is i keep my vp. I will not use it in any way unless you ask me to
03:40:17.289 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I can respect that.
03:40:26.142 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] there will be achievments
03:40:29.949 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] That’s acceptable.
03:40:35.251 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] thats my interest in keeping the title
03:40:38.167 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I agree. Aggressor title will likely be given away soon.
03:40:43.996 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] I hope so
03:40:46.859 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] If not already…
03:40:51.326 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] no I looked
03:40:53.088 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I thought we had enough sectors.
03:41:00.322 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] Doesn’t seem anyone else has it though.
03:41:02.467 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] so when and how do you want to do this?
03:41:15.944 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] we can do whisper and i give paypal adress
03:41:23.601 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] If you provide a paypal we can do this at any time.
03:42:43.071 CHAT| < PRIVATE To >[NuclearHail] DETAIL CENSORED
NOTE TO FORUM MODERATOR. If the logs above is what makes this a problem please just delete that instead of the whole post. Thanks. I hope this is ok by the rules. I made it small and hard to read to give nuke a chance to do the right thing. have little faith he will. The facts are still there and can be read using zoom and highlight for those curious.
I dont really care about disconnecting, its a minor issue. I also dont care about who is kicked from another Corp and why. But to dishonour an agreement i do not like. When CEO is temporary given away, its an agreement that means it has to be given back. If its not given back, its violation of verbal agreement about somethingh involving money, in my country this would be illegal and could even go to court if there is proof. (though it might be dropped cuz money just so low)
I think the agreement should be honored, otherwise there should be looked for proof that CEO change was temporary. If proof is found and agreement not honored, offending player should be permabanned.
I am not wanting the corp back. i just want him to honor his part of the deal.
I was to keep my VP title, but I was to not use it unless asked to.
Thats what this is all about. Its a long standing fact me and NASA have a long history of dislike. Demanding I bow down to them is against everything I stand for.
No One told Nuke to kick you.
I only knew Nuke warned you or something
If you have problem with NA$AGang pilot PM me with screenies and stuff.
*hypocrite mode ON*
Hello.
I offered to pay for corporation ownership and DrDeath accepted. A sizable sum of actual, real world money changed hands. While DrDeath may have been kept at VP status, when ownership changed hands, he became bound by the same rules that everyone in Arkhos Core is bound by.
Consistent outbursts in chat is a violation of those rules and the integrity I have worked extremely hard to maintain. As such, DrDeath was demoted until I believed I could trust him with the powers granted to the VP spot. Had he accepted that and cleaned up his act, he would have gotten his spot back in a matter of days. Instead, he chose to outburst again in corporate and global again. A corporate chat outburst is acceptable within extent, but DrDeath quickly passed the point of leniency there, too.
Nobody is above the rules in Arkhos Core. Not the original founder, not me, no one. Such drastic violations of integrity are unacceptable. I had asked him to wait until the next day for us to cool off and take a civil approach to the issue. I would then offer to reinvite him and hope he’d clean up his act. Instead of wising up, realizing that he was going about it the wrong way, and working with me to solve the issue, DrDeath chose the opposite.
I now have no intention of reinviting him, and certainly no intention of returning VP status.
While granting him the corporation and moving to a new one is a thought I have considered, it will not return the iridium contributed by players who would never have followed DrDeath, or the now two and a half weeks into dreadnought construction that have been invested into Arch. Founding a new corporation is also an option available to him, as I have compensated him for the monetary cost of founding a corporation and more. I certainly don’t have the money to do that twice.
Not one player has left Arkhos Core since this incident started. While I will not stop anyone who does leave to follow DrDeath, I doubt anyone will.
It the Corp was sold its fair and square. I understood it was not sold. Nevertheless this can be easily proven so there should be not trouble. Id advice then to forget this and move on.
Every deal has terms. My terms were simple. I keep my vp status and not use them. Thats the terms. I would not accept the offer until you understood this. There was no other asterisk agreement. You screwed me over 3 months ago when you renamed the Corp without my permission. I let that ride. Then when I tried to get it back you screwed me over by avoiding me when you were clearly not in battle, but in que for battle or simply in hanger. The rest of those details are in the Post I made above. The money was not the issue here. It was the terms we both agreed on. You renegged to impress NASA. If you had refused to agree the terms, the deal would have never taken place. In that log alone I repeated at least twice. Then we have the game mail.
Consistent outburst? What are we, in elementary school? Just because you want to kiss up to NASA, dont mean I ever will. I am one of the most watched players in this game. Had anything I said been out of line I would been muted instantly and any vet reading this knows that. Before things got out of hand I offered to refund you several times last night. You made it clear if i did, it would make no difference. 150 bucks is a drop in the buck to me. I have blown through so much gold just to pump stats, you have no idea. Thats not even counting my own stats. I just blew through close 50k gold alone in the last 2 weeks just to pump our iridium up since the update. So you see It was never about the money.
As far as how I responded:
I was calm at first trying to remind you of our deal, even offered a refund. You continued to insult me and my works. Over a few minutes My words became more heated, but not once did I insult you, while you continue to put me down. I have the same logs you have, SO READ THEM. I kept this in corp chat so maybe the few witnesses online would keep you straight, but you kicked me. I then continued the argument in private. You asked me “leave me alone or I will report you” At that point I did not send any more private messages until you messaged me again. Then you said again to leave you alone. At that point I reported you, I seen the trap you were trying to set… As I know the Mods got the logs and can see for themselves.
I then moved on to expose you, and gave up all efforts of getting back in. I warned you i would do this. i gave you ample opportunity to do the right thing. At this point This is not about getting my corp back its about you failing to honor our agreement. In this game we all play the role of mercenaries. Any plot any of us have ever read or movie watched knows that a mercenary(soldier) has one thing in common HONOR or OUR WORD. When a mercenary breaks his word it is a crime of the ultimate degree.
As far as players wanting to leave a few asked me if they should leave. I told them to stay or do as they chose. So yes, to your surprise some players respect me.
As far as being above the rules, the one person who be constantly breaking the rules by insulting others is you. Some members feel you are drunk with power as they have told me. I told them its out of my hands i made a deal. My VP means nothing. Even then I was keeping my word. I did not like what I was seeing, but I kept my word. You violating our terms is simply more proof of that. You have insulted Aces in ways I would not dare. I’m about building people spirits up that are weak. Its one of the main issues I have with NASA. You see many times I will say to be nice, when someone in global goes off on a Ace for not being good yet. I usually take time i don’t have to help out Aces when I can. Lamp is way better at that, but these guys can use any help they can get. Our Aces are what will keep this game alive. I have well over a thousand invested into this game. I really don’t want it to die anytime soon.
A player above Erik knows very well about my level of sportsmanship. He knows me as DrDeath. He was having a hard time and I took a moment of my time to help guide him to become the player he has become today. He was an amazing turn around. He learned fast. He wasn’t even a member of my corp and I helped him. I can explain this game to others and make a player I was once better than become was better than me. Those principles is how THE CORP got it stats so fast. I got a little off course here, but its part of the point. Everyone knows I am always with good intentions until crossed. I have never lied or intentionally misrepresented anything. I have not wanted to lead for a long time.
The deal would have never taken place without the implicit terms I keep my VP status. I may or may not have got the achievement with all the gold I dropped to get us to being first 3 with a dread, but I surely got screwed out of trying out the dreads, and all the iridium I dropped for it.
Sorry this is so long, but short is not really my thing.
Hello.
I offered to pay for corporation ownership and DrDeath accepted. A sizable sum of actual, real world money changed hands. While DrDeath may have been kept at VP status, when ownership changed hands, he became bound by the same rules that everyone in Arkhos Core is bound by.
Consistent outbursts in chat is a violation of those rules and the integrity I have worked extremely hard to maintain. As such, DrDeath was demoted until I believed I could trust him with the powers granted to the VP spot. Had he accepted that and cleaned up his act, he would have gotten his spot back in a matter of days. Instead, he chose to outburst again in corporate and global again. A corporate chat outburst is acceptable within extent, but DrDeath quickly passed the point of leniency there, too.
Nobody is above the rules in Arkhos Core. Not the original founder, not me, no one. Such drastic violations of integrity are unacceptable. I had asked him to wait until the next day for us to cool off and take a civil approach to the issue. I would then offer to reinvite him and hope he’d clean up his act. Instead of wising up, realizing that he was going about it the wrong way, and working with me to solve the issue, DrDeath chose the opposite.
I now have no intention of reinviting him, and certainly no intention of returning VP status.
While granting him the corporation and moving to a new one is a thought I have considered, it will not return the iridium contributed by players who would never have followed DrDeath, or the now two and a half weeks into dreadnought construction that have been invested into Arch. Founding a new corporation is also an option available to him, as I have compensated him for the monetary cost of founding a corporation and more. I certainly don’t have the money to do that twice.
Not one player has left Arkhos Core since this incident started. While I will not stop anyone who does leave to follow DrDeath, I doubt anyone will.
Side note to clarify:
NASA and Arch has no ties, we do not have any alliance nor special treatment, we are just “another targets on the screen”. The all this “sucking up to NASA” is false, which is not a surprise to lots of us here, your (DrDeath) self-delusions and phobias are known facts, and you really should see a doctor for this. Arch’s internal politics are YOUR internal politics, no one outside of your local conflict has any influence on the matter.
Arch’s internal politics are YOUR internal politics, no one outside of your local conflict has any influence on the matter.
That’s a lie.
I have dat. :fed013:
Nuke was my agent/spy all dat time. :012j:
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The only time I care what other corporations think is when players like you outburst like a child, trying to defend so-called ‘honor’ from players who don’t respect you in the first place. It’s only Elementary school because that’s how old you’re behaving.
Why would you take the troll bait so easily? It’s a game, with an abrasive community. That is extremely common in games, especially once you become more competitive at it. While there are plenty of disreputable actions made by players and corporations across the game, they aren’t so bad if you can manage not to take everything personally, a lesson I had to learn the hard way once upon a time.
If players want to leave, then let them. I won’t hold them under false pretenses. I plan to have a strong corporation with intelligent and powerful players who respect the game and the players in it, and who enjoy the company of other like-minded members. But that respect is earned, not forced or demanded. Many other corporations have earned my respect, and this has been largely possible due to not taking every drop of troll bait personally. From the looks of things, it seems that I have earned their respect in return. But aside from cordial relations, there are no ties between Arch and any of the corporations you so quickly find yourself at odds with.
Anyone who calls me ‘drunk with power’ should talk to me about it. I can’t address the concerns of someone who never voices them. But the primary reasons for enforcing rules is to improve our player quality, which I value much more highly than quantity. 70 good players, or even 20, are far more appealing than 150 terrible ones. So I have some strict regulations. You call it running the corporation into the ground, but that’s because your perspective of what makes a good corporation is seriously flawed. CORP was already run into the ground and a laughing stock before I even joined it. I only did so to fly with my IRL friend, who I’d picked up the game in the first place to have something to play with him.
If they don’t like the way I run things, then they can join another corporation. I bear no ill will towards anyone who does, and I respect the desires of players who are looking for an experience other than the one that Arch provides. You can’t please everyone.
I don’t want your refund, and I don’t care about whatever wealth you have in your personal life. Stop taking everything so personally and start listening to people other than yourself. Think about why things are happening, and why people are saying what they’re saying. Perhaps nobody respects you because you’ve done little to earn that respect.
I hope one day you realize these things. It’s disappointing because I do see traces of honor and intelligence in you, but then you squander all of it five minutes later with clockwork consistency.
i saw what death put in the chat. I haven’t seen him have commit any demotable offences. From what i know of him, he seems like a good layed back kind of guy.
Since this wil lnever be quite until at least some effort is made to clear it, maybe i can ask some questions?
Was there an agreement that Mass Death would get to have the VP Status and keep it no matter what? Or was it made clear that VP status could be lost if CEO so wants? Or was it not talked about at all?
If not talked about at all ,what is most likely, perhaps some kind of compromise can be found? Since it seems to be mostly about the Iridium, for example another Corp can be started, and old corp helps new corp to farm iridium for a certain amunt of time?
All 145 players were decent players. If you had thought my corp was the laughing stock then you should never joined it in the first place. By stating this you have displayed you had malicious intent all along. When you were given temporary CEO status we were sliding down the stats, that much is true. However, We still were in the top 10 for pvp, and 4th for influence at that time. I was barely able to play at that time. 3 months later when I finally have time to play we were down to 76th pvp and 15th sector. I don’t count PVE. Since you want to insult my work lets get the numbers straight. You have nothing to back your argument. Your claims are totally invalidated and disrespectful.
THE CORP was no more less better than the on the top 10. We all took our turns on the top spots. Some of the corps in those top spots we had shared strategies to get there.
My recruit style had a strict filter. At that time 300 battles 3.0 kills 4.0 assist, and a 1200 plus rating. This was back when 1500 was like what 6500 is today. Every player when the were recruited had these stats unless they had some extreme stats or knew a real life friend. Later when the stats rules changed we omitted the Skill rating, but still followed the other numbers. You basically have insulted every member in THE CORP and now Arkos Core.
As far as respect. There are about a dozen or so players who don’t like me, but there are hundreds who respect me and know what I am about. You been full of insults to me since this after this deal went down. Its like you said whatever possible to get your way. Then once you got it you showed your true colors. You know I would have gone to the GMs to get my corp back had we not made a deal. That was my next step before you offered. You also know I would not have made the deal without that exclusion i kept my VP. It appears your plan was to screw me all along. Aparently you have a history of dishonorable acts, buy you own admission.
You violated the code of honor all warriors share. I feel we all try to be more honorable in a game like this due to the nature of this game. When someone is dishonorable its is a bigger crime than if you had committed a less than honorable act in real life. Thats what all my post are about today. This whole thing is based on a crime of honor.
70 good players, or even 20, are far more appealing than 150 terrible ones. So I have some strict regulations. You call it running the corporation into the ground, but that’s because your perspective of what makes a good corporation is seriously flawed. CORP was already run into the ground and a laughing stock before I even joined it. I only did so to fly with my IRL friend, who I’d picked up the game in the first place to have something to play with him.
I don’t want your refund, and I don’t care about whatever wealth you have in your personal life. Stop taking everything so personally and start listening to people other than yourself. Think about why things are happening, and why people are saying what they’re saying. Perhaps nobody respects you because you’ve done little to earn that respect.
Since this wil lnever be quite until at least some effort is made to clear it, maybe i can ask some questions?
Was there an agreement that Mass Death would get to have the VP Status and keep it no matter what? Or was it made clear that VP status could be lost if CEO so wants? Or was it not talked about at all?
If not talked about at all ,what is most likely, perhaps some kind of compromise can be found? Since it seems to be mostly about the Iridium, for example another Corp can be started, and old corp helps new corp to farm iridium for a certain amunt of time?
Yes it was implicit I kept my VP status or no deal. The details are in the in my original post #25. I will pm it to you for you to read if you like. At this point I am no longer interested in negotiation. He has shown he is less than honorable. I dont want to lead, but if he accept the refund then he would have to leave the corp. He has shown he is someone who cant be trusted. Any one who goes back on their word is not worth having around.
Since this wil lnever be quite until at least some effort is made to clear it, maybe i can ask some questions?
Was there an agreement that Mass Death would get to have the VP Status and keep it no matter what? Or was it made clear that VP status could be lost if CEO so wants? Or was it not talked about at all?
If not talked about at all ,what is most likely, perhaps some kind of compromise can be found? Since it seems to be mostly about the Iridium, for example another Corp can be started, and old corp helps new corp to farm iridium for a certain amunt of time?
The agreement was that he would have VP status. The specifics of it were not discussed to my knowledge, and to my knowledge there was no confirmation if it being totally unconditional. The entire reason he was demoted was a direct result of his chat outbursts. I cannot simply allow him to remain above the rules of the corporation without consequence. The outburst in corp chat that followed was what warranted the kick. Had we taken time to discuss the issue at hand (which I asked to be postponed until the next day since it was past midnight) then I would most likely have given him his spot back or some progression towards it after the discussion was over.
Had we parted on better terms I’d be more willing to offer some iridium sum, or similar. However, I have already paid him real money for control of the corporation. With what’s happened, that’s all I plan to give him.
All 145 players were decent players. If you had thought my corp was the laughing stock then you should never joined it in the first place. By stating this you have displayed you had malicious intent all along. When you were given temporary CEO status we were sliding down the stats, that much is true. However, We still were in the top 10 for pvp, and 4th for influence at that time. I was barely able to play at that time. 3 months later when I finally have time to play we were down to 76th pvp and 15th sector. I don’t count PVE. Since you want to insult my work lets get the numbers straight. You have nothing to back your argument. Your claims are totally invalidated and disrespectful.
THE CORP was no more less better than the on the top 10. We all took our turns on the top spots. Some of the corps in those top spots we had shared strategies to get there.
My recruit style had a strict filter. At that time 300 battles 3.0 kills 4.0 assist, and a 1200 plus rating. This was back when 1500 was like what 6500 is today. Every player when the were recruited had these stats unless they had some extreme stats or knew a real life friend. Later when the stats rules changed we omitted the Skill rating, but still followed the other numbers. You basically have insulted every member in THE CORP and now Arkos Core.
As far as respect. There are about a dozen or so players who don’t like me, but there are hundreds who respect me and know what I am about. You been full of insults to me since this after this deal went down. Its like you said whatever possible to get your way. Then once you got it you showed your true colors. You know I would have gone to the GMs to get my corp back had we not made a deal. That was my next step before you offered. You also know I would not have made the deal without that exclusion i kept my VP. It appears your plan was to screw me all along. Aparently you have a history of dishonorable acts, buy you own admission.
You violated the code of honor all warriors share. I feel we all try to be more honorable in a game like this due to the nature of this game. When someone is dishonorable its is a bigger crime than if you had committed a less than honorable act in real life. Thats what all my post are about today. This whole thing is based on a crime of honor.
Enough. There is no grand conspiracy, no manipulation, and no pre-conceived malicious intent. You broke the rules and you cannot remain above them. Your behavior was completely unacceptable and only turned worse after you refused to accept that you were not immune to a response. You attempted to threaten me personally, a fact you have so conveniently omitted from your arguments and your logs.
Well i read the agreement and i want to point out one specific part that in my opinion is relevant for the matter:
03:40:04.169 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] yes once money has changed hand. Part of the deal is i keep my vp. I will not use it in any way unless you ask me to
03:40:17.289 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I can respect that.
Here NuclearHail agrees that Dr Death keeps his VP status. To my understanding ,that means he keeps it and thats it, even if he breaks the corp rules. Otherwise it would make no sense, since a VP status that can be lost anytime is worth nothing. It would only be possible to loose it if DrDeath uses the VP Status unasked. Talking trash is no use of the VP, anybody can do that.
Therefore in my opinion the VP status should be restored. While my opinion clearly has no weight, i have done my best to see this impartially and that is what i came up with. Since further involvement would be futile, i rest my case and just hope that everybody comes to an agreement.
Well i read the agreement and i want to point out one specific part that in my opinion is relevant for the matter:
03:40:04.169 CHAT| < #clan_973>[DrDeath] yes once money has changed hand. Part of the deal is i keep my vp. I will not use it in any way unless you ask me to
03:40:17.289 CHAT| < #clan_973>[NuclearHail] I can respect that.
Here NuclearHail agrees that Dr Death keeps his VP status. To my understanding ,that means he keeps it and thats it, even if he breaks the corp rules. Otherwise it would make no sense, since a VP status that can be lost anytime is worth nothing. It would only be possible to loose it if DrDeath uses the VP Status unasked. Talking trash is no use of the VP, anybody can do that.
Therefore in my opinion the VP status should be restored. While my opinion clearly has no weight, i have done my best to see this impartially and that is what i came up with. Since further involvement would be futile, i rest my case and just hope that everybody comes to an agreement.
The integrity rule is the only one I cannot leave players above. There is leniency with every other rule in Arch, from stats to language to age. But making the entire corporation look like a fool while you carry a VP tag representing it? You don’t honestly expect me to sit there and think “well, they founded the place so there’s nothing I can do.”
Control of the corporation changed hands, which means my rules are now the rules, not his. There was no manipulation of them to oust DrDeath.
“I can respect that” does not mean that his status is unconditional. If anything, it means that his status is out of respect. During the incident, I told him I’d give him the spot back as soon as we talked it out but he refused, and threatened me.
01:41:56.317 CHAT| < PRIVATE From>[DrDeath] I promise this is only the beginning. when i cool off I will get more focused. your rep is destroyed
01:43:14.381 CHAT| < PRIVATE From>[DrDeath] you have noidea the influence i have
01:43:37.254 CHAT| < PRIVATE From>[DrDeath] a few keey people is all i need
01:43:52.812 CHAT| < PRIVATE From>[DrDeath] like i said refund is started watch and see
01:44:10.002 CHAT| < PRIVATE From>[DrDeath] R**** ***** (My first and last name)
I consider this a threat due to the use of my real name.
Perhaps if he’d used that cooling off to clear his head and come back to me with a reasonable discussion about the initial incident, this would never have happened.
The sooner this discussion is over, the better.
The agreement was that he would have VP status. The specifics of it were not discussed to my knowledge, and to my knowledge there was no confirmation if it being totally unconditional. The entire reason he was demoted was a direct result of his chat outbursts. I cannot simply allow him to remain above the rules of the corporation without consequence. The outburst in corp chat that followed was what warranted the kick. Had we taken time to discuss the issue at hand (which I asked to be postponed until the next day since it was past midnight) then I would most likely have given him his spot back or some progression towards it after the discussion was over.
Had we parted on better terms I’d be more willing to offer some iridium sum, or similar. However, I have already paid him real money for control of the corporation. With what’s happened, that’s all I plan to give him.
Enough. There is no grand conspiracy, no manipulation, and no pre-conceived malicious intent. You broke the rules and you cannot remain above them. Your behavior was completely unacceptable and only turned worse after you refused to accept that you were not immune to a response. You attempted to threaten me personally, a fact you have so conveniently omitted from your arguments and your logs.
I will not be discussing this matter further with you. You are no longer welcome in this corporation’s thread.
My threats were to go full political or attempt to get the corp back. I did not state that specifically. But as you see today, what angle I chose. I gave you ample opportunity to prevent this. I told you I would win. My definition of win may not be what you think. The fact my post is still up means I won the argument. Had I violated any rules this would not have gone this far. I am pretty sure after a few days all this will be deleted. I am thankful the mods are at least letting this play out. You can read into that whatever you chose. You have my full name, physicals addresses and even the name of my stores, even my ebay account. Talk about omitting details. Get your facts straight. Anything I posted here I sensored personal details including your name and paypal. Not even the first letter of any name or account details was displayed in my post. I even went as far as to censor all irrelevant chat log entries so only our conversations is seen. I do have the same log you are referring to as well. I got tons of info to pull from it too.
In my post I did not use todays chat log. That is different from omitting. Again here you go exaggerating details. I used the log from the agreement and the one where you used the chat where I was chastising 2 nasa players for disconnecting. Thats hardly an act of dishonor or poor integrity. Disconnects is the main reason so many people don’t play T5. My chastising or shaming of so call discons is to prevent them from doing it again. Its been pretty effective. many people no longer disconnect once they been called out for it.
This is not about the money. This is about the lack of honor you displayed. The fact you are stating “Your no longer welcomed in my thread” displays you have no ground to stand on. It is an indirect admission of guilt.
The best thing you can do is swallow your pride and either not reply or admit you were wrong. i doubt you will do either.
Your attempts to argue have and will continue to get you nowhere. I have asked you desist. There is nothing left to say.