Tesla cars

Anybody heard of Tesla motors?  They build all electric cars.  I’m studying to be an engineer in college right now, and hope to work for them one day.  What are y’alls opinions on them?

 

Their newest car: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7quu551ehc0

 

~300 miles of range

0-60 in 3.2s

Autopilot!

 

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Anybody heard of Tesla motors?  They build all electric cars.  I’m studying to be an engineer in college right now, and hope to work for them one day.  What are y’alls opinions on them?

 

Their newest car: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7quu551ehc0

 

~300 miles of range

0-60 in 3.2s

Autopilot!

 

:00999:

Cost?

 

If you are studying to be an engineer, I suppose they have taught you the main principle of engineering.

 

The best way between two points is not the straight line, it is the cheapest one!

Well this is the super performance version, so cost isn’t the prime concern haha!  It costs about 120k for the high end version (those darn batteries).

 

But you can get a base Tesla S in here in the US for around 40-50 grand and get a 7.5k tax break. 

 

The only thing holding EVs back right now are the batteries… too expensive, heavy, and heat up too fast.  There are a few good things being researched on better batteries at the moment though.  Check out the Ryden dual carbon battery.

Can’t decide yet is it a dead-end or an improvable technology. Anyway it’s an interesting idea.
I like the nanoflow cell technology more, bit more green than using lithium-ion batteries, and you can recharge it faster.
But Tesla started building clear-electric cars in that cool way first which is respectable and they showed the world leaving without petrol is imaginable.
What I want to see is how the new generations of batteries going to change the range of the Tesla cars. If they can reach 600-700km with one charge it will be more interesting.

But the acceleration is strong in these. I checked it on videos, omfg!

Can’t decide yet is it a dead-end or an improvable technology. Anyway it’s an interesting idea.

I like the nanoflow cell technology more, bit more green than using lithium-ion batteries, and you can recharge it faster.

But Tesla started building clear-electric cars in that cool way first which is respectable and they showed the world leaving without petrol is imaginable.

What I want to see is how the new generations of batteries going to change the range of the Tesla cars. If they can reach 600-700km with one charge it will be more interesting.

 

I’ll be happy with whatever the next big battery breakthrough is. Would love to have a Tesla that can go that far.  I’m glad we are at least moving away from burning dead dinosaurs. 

 

Whenever fusion energy is feasible, that will also be a huge turning point I think.

I like Elon Musk.

 

Albeit he always reminds me of Jonas Quinn

Which makes his stuff even more exciting.

 

So yeah, Tesla is quite a cool idea, and I find it nice, that it has such popularity. I am more interested though, what Elon will bring us in terms of spaceflight.

 

And Naquadriah.

Hidrogen cells dudes. It is the same than petrol, you just go and fill up the tank with liquid hydrogen.

 

The main problem with hydrogen is that it is not a power source, but a power conductor like electricity, so you need to produce it first, thus consuming energy. But it will avoid the main problem with batteries, which is recharge time.

 

Although for an urban car is OK.

 

The main problem for electric cars in europe is that we don’t live in epic suburbs with thousands of prefabricated wooden houses + garage like in the US. Most people here just park his car in the street.

The main problem for electric cars in europe is that we don’t live in epic suburbs with thousands of prefabricated wooden houses + garage like in the US. Most people here just park his car in the street.

 

Well, who parks on the street can’t afford a Tesla. :S

Anybody heard of Tesla motors?  They build all electric cars.  I’m studying to be an engineer in college right now, and hope to work for them one day.  What are y’alls opinions on them?

 

Their newest car: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7quu551ehc0

 

~300 miles of range

0-60 in 3.2s

Autopilot!

 

:00999:

 

 

Hidrogen cells dudes. It is the same than petrol, you just go and fill up the tank with liquid hydrogen.

 

The main problem with hydrogen is that it is not a power source, but a power conductor like electricity, so you need to produce it first, thus consuming energy. But it will avoid the main problem with batteries, which is recharge time.

 

Although for an urban car is OK.

 

The main problem for electric cars in europe is that we don’t live in epic suburbs with thousands of prefabricated wooden houses + garage like in the US. Most people here just park his car in the street.

 

I’m also studying to be an engineer, in “Energy and Propulsion” starting this year, but I don’t know what area I’m going to specialise into yet…

 

I’m all for electric cars, and the Tesla looks awesome, however like Eviscerador says, the main problem is that you are just storing energy in a different way.  Instead of using chemical storage in the form of fuel, and then releasing it through burning, electric cars use batteries.  But the electricity must come from somewhere, and in many countries electricity is still mainly produced using fossil fuels.  In my opinion, electric cars are not the solution: they are a necessary step, but we need to go higher up, back to the source, in order to have a more energy efficient society.  And that is where renewable energy sources come into play, and also like you say TESLA, nuclear energy, be it fusion or later hopefully fission.

 

I, as a Frenchman, am all for nuclear energy, despite it’s obvious disadvantages and dangers.  As I see it, Germany made a huge mistake after Fukushima by withdrawing all their nuclear energy, and instead firing up old coal power plants and ironically buying electricity from France, who is still using nuclear energy…

 

And Auto-pilot is cool :smiley: Not only that but it can also save energy by running the car more efficiently for example reducing “stop-and-start” driving in town, or running convoys of cars to reduce drag.  There are also many ways such cars could work with the city to increase efficiency, for example active traffic lights which can change their times depending on the number of people driving by.

 

 

I’m also following this with interest:

 

 

(love the guys riding their bikes behind at 1:30 XD)

Nice video! lol, I’d be one of those bike guys for sure… except get too close.  

 

Electric motor propulsion is definitely the way to go as far as propulsion goes.  How the energy is created/stored (weather it be hydrogen cells, diesel generation, or whatever) is up for debate though.  Personally, I’d like to stick with awesome efficient, and eco friendly batteries for cars and use non fossil fuels to generate the power to charge them.  Stick with this until fusion energy gets good enough, and we are able to put compact fusion generators in every car.  That could be pretty dangerous though!  :fed013:

 

Another thing you could do for crowded cities is have charged parking spots or lanes.  Just by having your EV over it, it can charge it with induction or something.  

 

The way ICEs work now is basically just using explosions to spin a camshaft which gets translated to spinning wheels.  Pretty barbaric if you ask me haha.

The way ICEs work now is basically just using explosions to spin a camshaft which gets translated to spinning wheels.  Pretty barbaric if you ask me haha.

 

As in the German high speed trains?  How do they make the explosions from electricity?  I don’t understand what you mean

As in the German high speed trains?  How do they make the explosions from electricity?  I don’t understand what you mean

 

ICE = internal combustion engine lol  

ICE = internal combustion engine lol  

 

I came here by ICE train which is why I was confused XD

 

Yeah I agree it’s barbaric

Well this is the super performance version, so cost isn’t the prime concern haha!  It costs about 120k for the high end version (those darn batteries).

 

But you can get a base Tesla S in here in the US for around 40-50 grand and get a 7.5k tax break. 

 

The only thing holding EVs back right now are the batteries… too expensive, heavy, and heat up too fast.  There are a few good things being researched on better batteries at the moment though.  Check out the Ryden dual carbon battery.

You do know those batteries are not that expensive. They use cell size 18650 li-ion batteries or something very similar.

They are most likely the 1800 mAh (there are way better choices) . Its a lot of them. A few thousand. It still does not justify the cost.

The actual cost of the device is cheap. Its the r&d, and marketing that brings up the cost. 

many of the manufactures are moving towards Graphene. Graphene is the new tech being developed, you want to improve battery tech, thats your ticket atm. Google it.

 

http://www.graphenea.com/pages/graphene-supercapacitors#.VD2NIfldVQA

 

​Pretty much everything we buy is priced based on perceived market value not its cost. Cost is rarely the limiting factor for how cheap we can buy things.

Almost nothing sold today even comes close to cost.

Yeah, graphene has alot of potential.  I’d love to see somebody actually come out with a good graphene battery/supercapacitor

What about fusion energy? I just watched this video on LockheedMartin’s channel.

What about fusion energy? I just watched this video on LockheedMartin’s channel.

As many people said before, the main problem with electric cars is that they still need to generate the electricity in some way. Electricity is not a power source like fuel. It is a power conductor, you need to produce electricity (that is the main difference with fuel)

 

So an electric car is as eco friendly as the energy production which fuels it.

 

But here we have a problem. Windmills are the most eco friendly energy available, because is the less pollutant, mostly because you need less energy per KW when making the generator + wind mill.

 

On the other hand, the good old photovoltaic energy is no as much eco friendly as they said, since the silicate panel manufacturing process spends a LOT of energy, and this energy comes from fossil fuels.

 

As many, many people have said, the future is fusion energy. Clean and with a lot of fuel available (well, not straight fuel, but it is easy to acquire)

 

But forget about having a fusion generator at home. Not only it is dangerous (If your neighbour cannot maintain its own house, he won’t maintain the generator!) but it is useless. What we will have is the same as we have now, big powerplants, which will feed the electrical power lines as we do now.

 

And with that electricity we can charge our electric cars, or produce hydrogen for hydrogen cells. Most people will have electric urban cars, but for long range transport + highway cars, the hydrogen cells are better, just because you can fill your car in 5 minutes like you can do with petrol.

 

Also, the electric drive train is very, very simple. Much simpler than the mechanics of a ICE, which will allow new car configurations, like one tested by Honda, with all the drive train + cells/batteries in the ground of the car, and an interchangeable chassis, where you can change from a coupe, to a van, to a hatchback, with the same drive train and a fast visit to the car dealer.

 

Unfortunately, oil is still plenty enough and cheap enough, and will be for the next 100 years, so I don’t think we will see that. they are just investing now to have something available when the next oil crisis (the big one) starts. The states are keeping their strategic reserves to allow a smooth change between technologies, which can take at least 20 years.

Well how about stick with the old V8 engines hm?Like the new Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat,707 Horsepower Supercharged HEMI V8 engine.This one is a beast for real lol.

http://www.drivesrt.com/2015/challenger-srt-hellcat/

I also prefer this barbaric method… Especially because of the sound. An electric car with V8 sound would be nice.

Well how about stick with the old V8 engines hm?Like the new Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat,707 Horsepower Supercharged HEMI V8 engine.This one is a beast for real lol.

http://www.drivesrt.com/2015/challenger-srt-hellcat/

Any european or japanese engineer can get more horsepower from a 2 liter than the americans from an HEMI.

 

The Mitsubishi EVO rally edition had a 2l with 550 HP.

 

And the current VW petrol engines can get 180 HP with 1.4 litre motors.

 

I have never been fan of the oversized, poor performance per cc american engines. All they do is waste fuel.