Any european or japanese engineer can get more horsepower from a 2 liter than the americans from an HEMI.
The Mitsubishi EVO rally edition had a 2l with 550 HP.
And the current VW petrol engines can get 180 HP with 1.4 litre motors.
I have never been fan of the oversized, poor performance per cc american engines. All they do is waste fuel.
Yes, but with Turbo charger
Europeans like to use turbo to increase performance and lower the consuption. But big problem with the turbo is that it’s decreasing the engine life-time and the torque curve gets a big gaps in the beginning, because you don’t have power in those engines till the turbo is not ready.
The american beasts doesn’t have turbo-charger, they have raw power. Sometimes they tuning their engines with turbo, it’s the moment when they get around 1000HP.
In top speed internal combustion engines has a big advantage. Where they can’t race is the acceleration, that’s why I like electric cars.
Europeans like to use turbo to increase performance and lower the consuption. But big problem with the turbo is that it’s decreasing the engine life-time and the torque curve gets a little gaps in the beginning.
Not if you use a super charger + turbo charger like VW do.
The turbo charge doesn’t decrease the engine life time, what it does is increasing the maintenance costs (more moving parts) but will increase performance and fuel consumption A LOT.
I’m fan of japanese old school engines. I have a Honda and I like the high rev engines with good reliability, but that is a matter of taste. All the new turbocharged small petrol engines flooding the european market now seem good for me. The TSi from VW is very, very good.
So basically, to get more power you can do it in 3 ways.
Enriching the mixture => Supercharger or turbocharger or both => more performance per cc, less consumption but less reliability + maintenance costs.
Increasing the torque => increasing the cc in the engine => less performance per cc, more consumption, cheaper.
Increasing revs => More performance per cc, more consumption only at high revs, special materials and precise machining needed => increased costs. Reliability on par with standard engines.
Americans do the second because they have cheap fuel and want cheap cars.
Europeans and japanese use first or third depending on model or tradition (honda is famous for its high rev engines, as well as Ferrari)
Not if you use a super charger + turbo charger like VW do.
The turbo charge doesn’t decrease the engine life time, what it does is increasing the maintenance costs (more moving parts) but will increase performance and fuel consumption A LOT.
I’m fan of japanese old school engines. I have a Honda and I like the high rev engines with good reliability, but that is a matter of taste. All the new turbocharged small petrol engines flooding the european market now seem good for me. The TSi from VW is very, very good.
So basically, to get more power you can do it in 3 ways.
Enriching the mixture => Supercharger or turbocharger or both => more performance per cc, less consumption but less reliability + maintenance costs.
Increasing the torque => increasing the cc in the engine => less performance per cc, more consumption, cheaper.
Increasing revs => More performance per cc, more consumption only at high revs, special materials and precise machining needed => increased costs. Reliability on par with standard engines.
Americans do the second because they have cheap fuel and want cheap cars.
Europeans and japanese use first or third depending on model or tradition (honda is famous for its high rev engines, as well as Ferrari)
Not sure about your opinion on the American…not every single american cars are made to consume fuel like crazy with extremely low performance like you say.Sure,the Hellcat,GT500,SS,…sure to consume a lot of fuel but just look at their power.The SS may not be able to pull the others off but sure the Hellcat and the GT500 can competite with some exotic cars.
Another thing,european cars are always ALWAYS more expensive than the american cars,you pay crapload of money on 1 exotic european car?Well you sure can pay less for a Japanese or America and tune it up,crank up more power,more speed,…while still have a lot of money left.
“Why do I need torque? I’m not pulling of a trailer”
Not sure about your opinion on the American…not every single american cars are made to consume fuel like crazy with extremely low performance like you say.Sure,the Hellcat,GT500,SS,…sure to consume a lot of fuel but just look at their power.The SS may not be able to pull the others off but sure the Hellcat and the GT500 can competite with some exotic cars.
Another thing,european cars are always ALWAYS more expensive than the american cars,you pay crapload of money on 1 exotic european car?Well you sure can pay less for a Japanese or America and tune it up,crank up more power,more speed,…while still have a lot of money left.
They are more expensive because they are better. Better finishings, better performance, better engines, better utility.
Oh and also because of customs. Mustangs in USA are around 25.000 $, but here in Spain you can buy them for more than 60.000 € (around 75.000 $)
For that price you can get a top of the line BMW 3, Audi A4 or Lexus.
Nobody buys american cars outside of america for a reason.
The reason why electric cars have a low top speed currently (From what I’m aware) is due to the batteries. The batteries will overheat and explode if they are pressed too hard. The car companies limit the speed because of this. If we are going to rely on batteries to store power for our cars, they need lots of improvement… Li Ion batteries are awesome compared to lead acid or any of the previous batteries, but are far from where they need to be ideally.
Sadly compact fusion generators will likely not be put in cars/houses/ect, because of the fact that they would have to be maintained like mentioned. There are plenty of idiots in the world that if given something so powerful like that, they wouldn’t maintain it at all and would result in massive explosions everywhere. Also, you would get those A-holes that would convert the fusion generators into weapons and use them against their neighbor’s house because they called him a name. If there was a way to make them 100% not dangerous, then heck yea, use those things everywhere. Personally I think its fusion power or go home. Big fusion power plants will likely be what happens.
There are two main ways, that I see, to make long distance traveling possible for EVs. 1) Use better batteries that store more and charge faster. 2) Have major highways/interstates have a charging lane that charges your car as you drive.
As far as the ICEs go, I love me some American V8 muscle! Not saying I don’t like the inline 4/6 bangers w/turbos and superchargers, I just prefer the v8. Some of the newer American V8s are getting pretty performance efficient and fuel efficient. My car for example, though not super new, (a 2007 Pontiac grand prix gxp) has a 5.3L aluminum V8 which gives ~350 HP and ~400 lbft of torque with no turbo or supercharger with some of the fairly cheap mods I’ve put on it (less than 300$). It might not be as efficient power vs displacement wise as euro/japanese cars, but it still goes pretty damn fast. Its really reliable as well, I’m at 150k miles and it still runs like the day I first got it. It has a DOT system too which basically only fires 4 cylinders per cycle, instead of 8, when cruising and not trying to floor it. That allows me to average 32 mpg on the interstate averaging 80 mph and about 25 mpg around town. Sometimes the simpler design is better, you don’t want to over-engineer something.
Not sure about your opinion on the American…not every single american cars are made to consume fuel like crazy with extremely low performance like you say.Sure,the Hellcat,GT500,SS,…sure to consume a lot of fuel but just look at their power.The SS may not be able to pull the others off but sure the Hellcat and the GT500 can competite with some exotic cars.
Another thing,european cars are always ALWAYS more expensive than the american cars,you pay crapload of money on 1 exotic european car?Well you sure can pay less for a Japanese or America and tune it up,crank up more power,more speed,…while still have a lot of money left.
You guys hate the American cars huh?Well look at some of the American iconic cars like the Saleen s7,Hennessy Venom GT,Dodge Viper SRT GTS,Ford GT,…the upcoming Transtar Dagger GT,if succesful,will surely be the king of drag,search it up,over 2000+ HP and 0-60 in 1s,well they are computer calculated but if the Dagger is a succesful car then it will dominate.
You guys hate the American cars huh?Well look at some of the American iconic cars like the Saleen s7,Hennessy Venom GT,Dodge Viper SRT GTS,Ford GT,…the upcoming Transtar Dagger GT,if succesful,will surely be the king of drag,search it up,over 2000+ HP and 0-60 in 1s,well they are computer calculated but if the Dagger is a succesful car then it will dominate.
The problem with american cars is that they are only good in a straight line. Their suspensions are crap, their brakes are crap, and those big wheels you need to transfer all the torque to the ground are very expensive, little durable and not suitable for any other thing that a drag race.
I lost a Mustang in a curve road with my humble Honda, with half the power, just because he had to brake almost to 0 to take any turn in the road, while I could take them easy at corner speed.
The problem with american cars is that they are only good in a straight line. Their suspensions are crap, their brakes are crap, and those big wheels you need to transfer all the torque to the ground are very expensive, little durable and not suitable for any other thing that a drag race.
I lost a Mustang in a curve road with my humble Honda, with half the power, just because he had to brake almost to 0 to take any turn in the road, while I could take them easy at corner speed.
Some of them are pretty, but other than that…
Oh again about this Mustangs can’t take corner,look,no cars on earth will need to brake to almost 0 to take corner,even with imports and european exotics.Agree that muscle cars are heavy and the suspension system on most of them are bad but don’t really have to brake down to almost that slow.
Well uhm let’s stop arguing about American muscles vs European exotics and Japanese imports now,let’s not make the thread locked.
Oh again about this Mustangs can’t take corner,look,no cars on earth will need to brake to almost 0 to take corner,even with imports and european exotics.Agree that muscle cars are heavy and the suspension system on most of them are bad but don’t really have to brake down to almost that slow.
Well uhm let’s stop arguing about American muscles vs European exotics and Japanese imports now,let’s not make the thread locked.
My previous car was a Renault Clio 1.8 16V. Hardly what I will call an “exotic” yet it was still better than my current Honda in curved roads (mostly because my Honda is an Accord, with more power but also more weight)
And the brake to almost 0 was an exaggeration by my part. But you got the point I suppose.
The problem with american cars is that they are only good in a straight line. Their suspensions are crap, their brakes are crap, and those big wheels you need to transfer all the torque to the ground are very expensive, little durable and not suitable for any other thing that a drag race.
I lost a Mustang in a curve road with my humble Honda, with half the power, just because he had to brake almost to 0 to take any turn in the road, while I could take them easy at corner speed.
Some of them are pretty, but other than that…
^This.
Anyway the Tesla cars are really good cars but have an insane price (outside USA). Plus as all electric cars, they have the “battery” problem. Short lifetime and the high pollution cost when they are over.
Hydrogen fuel cells seems to me a better solution (when an economic/ecologic way to produce H will be found)
Breaking news: Outside USA noone care about drift.
And no, make a drift to take a corner is’nt the right way to actually: make a corner!
And Japan?
Of course drift it’s not the right way to take a corner, yet there’s an advanced driving technique that use a limited drift. And if you want a clearly example, I also use mine in racetracks and I can totally say Mustang are cornering monsters… with 10k dollars on mods
Of course drift it’s not the right way to take a corner, yet there’s an advanced driving technique that use a limited drift. And if you want a clearly example, I also use mine in racetracks and I can totally say Mustang are cornering monsters… with 10k dollars on mods
Japan is a sort of US colony so it doesn’t matter.
Anyway so you are basically saying that spendig 10k dollars make a muscle car able to “take a corner”? Doesn’t it contradicts the whole: “muscle car” concept (cheap car with monsters power)?
