T5 problem

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The matchmaking is currently +/-3.  So a rank 15 ship could be placed in a rank 12 game, which may include pilots as low as rank 9.

Because of the way MM queue works, if you on the “upper end” (that is T5) you will always get pushed down to the -3 side of matchmaking, and ultimately end up squashing a bunch of T4s.

That’s not even half the truth. Because you’re getting bumped down, you find yourself fighting R12 ships. But… The match itself is T4, Rank 12. So now you have Rank 9 pilots being dragged UP into a match where they face T5 ships. That’s how bad the system is. If you’re in a queue for too long, it’ll force you UP not one, but TWO Tiers.

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That’s not even half the truth. Because you’re getting bumped down, you find yourself fighting R12 ships. But… The match itself is T4, Rank 12. So now you have Rank 9 pilots being dragged UP into a match where they face T5 ships. That’s how bad the system is. If you’re in a queue for too long, it’ll force you UP not one, but TWO Tiers.

This is exactly what I was saying.  The match queue should either lock tiers or be AT MOST +/- 2. 

 

+/- 1 is ideal (this is same as locked tiers with shifting where the “middle” of a tier is.)

 

EDIT:  Even +/-2 sucks and I wouldn’t happy with it.  For example, you can get rank 7 ships (low T3) in with rank 11 ships (T4) in a rank 9 match

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I think another of the issues with mixed tiers atm also has to do with players who only work on one ship tree and so will have a rank 10, rank 9, and rank 7 command ship in their ship lineup and nothing else.  Once that T4 ship is destroyed they’re mostly useless…just cannon fodder for the other team.

 

I also agree…the +/- 3 ranks MM system is…yeah >.>   Ideally it should be +/- 2 with matchmaking locked to the middle of the tier: i.e. Rank 2, Rank 5, Rank 8, Rank 11.  This way you’ll never see a ship higher than rank 10 in a T3 match, Rank 7 in a T2 match and so on.  Also since most of the Russian players have their Rank 15’s already you’ll never face them unless you have a rank 12 or higher ship equipped.

 

If they want to keep the +/- 3 system to make lower tiers queue faster they need to lock T5 to only be able to play against other T5’s.  I don’t see any issue with locking a Tier that only 10% of the player base has access to in the first place.   This keeps that 10% from preventing any progression past rank 9 for the other 90% like they are now.

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I think another of the issues with mixed tiers atm also has to do with players who only work on one ship tree and so will have a rank 10, rank 9, and rank 7 command ship in their ship lineup and nothing else.  Once that T4 ship is destroyed they’re mostly useless…just cannon fodder for the other team.

Thats a problem with the game mode, not the mixed tiers though.  You should be able to spawn with any ship for a total of 3 times in that mode.  Right now it just favors pilots with maxed 4 ship hangers.

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I can understand you guys. I tried to play T4 for 1 Day and in faced T5 ESB in EVERY F**** GAME. I do not see a point to grind T4’s in PVP if i always have to face T5 Rank 14 or 15 Ships with green or even blue equip while i only have a small selection of mk2 or blue items.

 

Matchmaking as it is now, is way of from beeing balanced. You cannot mix Tiers. Its even hard for a difference of 2 ranks in the same Tier either. Implants are very powerfull, for my taste some are to powerfull, while others are useless.

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we *could* be more organized and keep a T4 custom battle going round the clock.

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The only way I see fit for queue times to go down and keep the playing field levelled for everyone is this:

 

  1. Split the Tiers entirely. This provides the levelled field.

  2. If 4 pilots queue in the same squad, split them and add 1-2 bots on either side. This keeps the playing field, again, levelled and fair for all Tiers.

 

Complaining about the bots and how the top Tiers are blanked is natural, but I do feel like this would level the field for everyone. Yes, including the sole T5 squad that roams T5, abusing the matchmaking system to their advantage.

 

we *could* be more organized and keep a T4 custom battle going round the clock.

Now this I like.

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The only way I see fit for queue times to go down and keep the playing field levelled for everyone is this:

 

  1. Split the Tiers entirely. This provides the levelled field.

  2. If 4 pilots queue in the same squad, split them and add 1-2 bots on either side. This keeps the playing field, again, levelled and fair for all Tiers.

 

People will rage like nothing else if you allow the game to break apart squads in order to populate a game.  I say let them wait for 20+ mins in their 4 man T5 squad looking for players to farm once T5 gets locked.  Finding 4 other players who wanna face an ESB squad every time will be next to impossible.  If they wanna play a game they can split up into 2 man squads and face each other.

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Honestly, I have to agree. Nothing against ESB, but they have a huge advantage right now over T4 and T5. Many of them are Rank 15 in all sub-factions, compile that on top of amazing implants and it’s extremely unfair.

 

I’ve been an advocate of splitting the tiers ever since they added the feature… and I still feel that way today. If nobody is playing your Tier, then oh well you don’t get to play it.

I’ve seen the problems in Tiers 1-3, and I’ve only played a few T4-T5 and it’s even more noticable there.

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But Censored is NASA.

 

 

oops… well my anger towards him stands 

:smoke:

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3 times isn’t really spamming.   I see people spamming 3-4 times in chat and they usually just get a warning.  Perhaps there is some favoritism going on here.

 

 

HmmmMMMmmmMMm -_-

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I’ve been an advocate of splitting the tiers ever since they added the feature… and I still feel that way today. If nobody is playing your Tier, then oh well you don’t get to play it.

I’ve seen the problems in Tiers 1-3, and I’ve only played a few T4-T5 and it’s even more noticable there.

 

Especially considering most of the player base is still in T2 and T3 locking the tiers would only really affect the T5 players.  Once people realize they aren’t going to get relentlessly farmed in T4 games, the tier should start filling up.  

 

I can see how the Russians wouldn’t like this though…they’d have to go back to killing each other for synergy or waiting for 20+ mins to find a match in T5.  I say let them complain…they’ve gotten enough preferential treatment already.

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we *could* be more organized and keep a T4 custom battle going round the clock.

 

I do agree the high end matchmaking is broken and warrants attention by developers. If a small subset of the tier is hindering progression then you know you have a problem. This is a game breaker if players are refusing to even try to advance because they will just get obliterated without having a single chance.

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I do agree it’s frustrating getting steam-rolled by the same enemy team multiple times.

Kine, that’s a great idea! You should start a topic in the forum and see if you can find people from different time-zones who come online at different times in the day, would be happy to host T4> games. I’d get involved in something like this, if it means playing T4 balanced and consistently. 

 

And as for tier 3, 

Also at the moment it’s a mixture of pilots at T3 in progression, veterans ducking from ESB, (assume veteran means a good T4-5 player) veterans going back to farm synergy, veterans going back to farm contracts, and T2 rookies who just bought their first T3 post-patch. 

The skill diversity is just insane in T3, I kinda feel like I’m being forced to farm weaker players just to level up.

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For me, it’s pretty much impossible to play T4 unless the matchmaking happens to put a T5 squad on my side, in which case it’s either a brutally one-sided match, or it balances out the T5 squad on the other side.

 

Either way… it’s not particularly satisfying. I don’t feel like I’m making a difference; I’m just getting damage assists when I’m lucky enough to spot who the T5s are focus-firing.

 

It is not satisfying, and grows old fast.

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I already have 6 ships R10 and R11 and I want to skip them and get the R12 ones I want to fly as T4. But I just do not fly them, because every time I equip them and queue up I see in the graph a full T5 (at the end, so I guess R15 only) queuing so I just do not want to do that again.

 

Being forced to play full T5 R15 squads with R10 ships on realistic costs me nothing more than expenses on repairs, ammo, rockets and all that for 1K synergy being first of my team cause of the loss ? 

 

Even 2000 games * 10 min will not get me the required synergy to level up ONE ship to max so I can get R12 that way.

 

 

So I am sure it is not only me, but hundreds others who do not que for T4 and Que for T3 instead just because of that.

 

I also see some R10 or R11 ships in my T3 matches, but when I have 1 T4(R10) equipped and all other T3 it forces me against T5 again …

 

I do not mind waiting 10 minutes for T4 match as long as it is not 2v2 with bots and it is at least 4v4 where players are R10-12. No 13, no 9, no other xxxx.

 

Although I am sure that when tiers get separated hundreds will go to T4 and queues will not be so bad.

 

I know many people who are way past r9 of anything that will do.

 

 

but ofcourse that way Americans who have T5 will have nobody to play with and 12 hours later when Russians want to play they will not have people to play with.

 

So catering to the minority of players (feeding them lesser ships) you screw up the whole T4 ?

 

if you make tier restriction they will be forced (like we are now) to play some T4 and there we will be on even plane.

Until enough people jump T4 for T5.

Being “farmed” by ESB squad who flies the same ships as you is somewhat more reasonable.

 

Now we stay in T3 “Until there are enough people for T4”  Why should 500+ people stay in T3 instead of those chosen 50 to stay in T4 instead of T5 ?

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I still consider T3 to be the endgame… at least if people confirm wether T4 still punches a hole in your wallet for reps and resupply. Could have moved to T4 long ago, not bothering, even if i’d do well.

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Well it’s obvious somebody has been away from the game for awhile :stuck_out_tongue:  When T5 came out prices and repair costs went down.   Plus the price you pay for missiles each game has gone wayyyyyy down.  You can actually use Mk III missiles now and not go broke in a few games.

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Well it’s obvious somebody has been away from the game for awhile :stuck_out_tongue:  When T5 came out prices and repair costs went down.   Plus the price you pay for missiles each game has gone wayyyyyy down.  You can actually use Mk III missiles now and not go broke in a few games.

 

Away only half time, learning for some exams. But i didn’t notice the change except for the missle / ammo stuff. And i was buying mk3 missiles before without the slightest problem. <<<MAYBE>>> i’ll buy a ship, but i’m keeping my hopes down.

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Frankly, If they fix the MM I will have what to play for. R12 sub-factions, Unlocking different ships, probably buying a premium ship or maybe 2 if they make them useful again …

 

But now I have no interest being farmed there with no hint of progress.

 

When I came back from few months of vacation from the game I jumped from T2 to T3. At first I was farmed by squads like Nova, NASA etc etc but in few days I started to keep up. 

Why ? Because they were flying R9 ships at most ! And so did I !

 

I am sure that if they were on their R12 ships I would’ve never been able to catch up with R8 and R9 ships and would’ve staid in T2.

 

 

Although this is happening in the T3>T4 Transition.