T4 dead - waiting forever for a game

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#1

We have serious issues of not getting a game in T4.

 

Even T5 games are more common, but T4? Last few times we waited for 5-15 minutes every time - no games. Even Error was with us when we wanted to fly a T4 game, and he can confirm that a full squad of R11 (not 12) 3 man or 4 man, at prime with 1500-2000 players, no SQ active, did not get a game. And it happened many times before. This tier is just broken.

 

I am suggesting taking a look into matchmaker, and what is going on in T4 for squads, because this is the hardest tier to get a game. Waiting times are just ludicrous. Please take a look into the queue numbers and see if it can be tuned, so we can get a game. 

#2

During peak times, queue solo for PvE with T5’s loaded.  All of your teammates will be carrying T4 or T5.  People are grinding T4 in PvE.

 

There are enough people with T4 and T5 ships, but there’s no encouragement to fly them because of the low queues.  There needs to be a temporary bonus for actually queuing for T4+ PvP.  Then maybe when the bonus is gone people will keep queuing.  At the same time gear is an issue, since it’s so much easier to upgrade T3 ships than T4 ships.  I wish there were a way to upgrade T3 purples to T4 modules.

#3

The problem is… what are they supposed to do? Pick T3 against a full R11 squad? Do you want to be “Gus the evil grumpy” as in the Jasan Comic?  :005j:

 

Main problem here is lack of players, and the few who have T4 are either playing T3 because is easier to get a game, or playing T5 because most of people with T4 also have T5.

 

I’m leveling up my T4 with free synergy farmed with T3 premiums. Hopefully, when the game is released more people will come and the high tiers will become more populated.

#4

During peak times, queue solo for PvE with T5’s loaded.  All of your teammates will be carrying T4 or T5.  People are grinding T4 in PvE.

 

There are enough people with T4 and T5 ships, but there’s no encouragement to fly them because of the low queues.  There needs to be a temporary bonus for actually queuing for T4+ PvP.  Then maybe when the bonus is gone people will keep queuing.  At the same time gear is an issue, since it’s so much easier to upgrade T3 ships than T4 ships.  I wish there were a way to upgrade T3 purples to T4 modules.

 

This is a great idea. Make a community event that gives bonus to flying with T4 ships, make it either more sinergy, credits, artifacts, loyaltty, or titles, or whatever! This could really help.

 

It’s not like anyone would exploit the rewards or anything. People have the ships, just make them fly T4 pvp. You can hardly get a game in T4 at all, I can farm faster in T3 than anywhere else (this thread is about pvp), because we get the most games there, and after almost a year of playing the game and staring at the hangar, I am so tired of waiting, I just want to fly and stop wasting time as much as possible.

#5

I grind through T4 with PvE and free synergy.  The last time I tried PvP for T4 was with around 700 players and I gave up after 10 minutes.  I saw one other player waiting the whole time but I wasn’t matched against him.

#6

And that’s what I’m talking about. They should help T4, somehow. It’s an obstacle getting to T5 as well, and those that want to just fly T4 can’t do that either. And don’t say do pve, that should not be required if you want to play pvp, it should not be an excuse for the devs to make us play the horrible pve because their matchmaker is broken.

#7

Im not sure if it is the MM only… 

T4 is pain at the moment and somehow i have the feeling that most of the full-tards made it their playground. 

The quality of players in T4 is abysmal… mostly consistent of tier-rushers.

I remember when short after 9.0 T4 was FULL. And it stayed that way quite some time (9.5ish).

I guess many of the old ones were scared away by squad-fukups: 7mins of wait in a 2-man-squad were common… and the experience was pretty much every time unpleasant due to the forced 1.0w/l ration BS! They cant nerf us, so they have to give us the most terribad players they have.

TLDR It was pain.

As result, many vets abandoned that Tier and went down to T3 with Premiums or leveling their T4s in SQ.

 

What needs to be done:

  1. A Tutorial that explains more than the basics (a tutorial for every class), also this needs to be FORCED, PPL HAVE TO DO IT!

  2. Get rid of this 1.0 w/l BS! If you get owned by teams, its your fault, why didnt you squad up?

  3. MM must according to (2) try to get balanced matches according to the pool. Dont “cheat” loose/win… especially in T4 it feels like MM is cheating a LOT.    

 

I made my peace with T4 by selecting EU servers and farming PPL in 1v1s btw.  :secret:

#8

AFAIK T4 = T5? >.>

Queue solo or in group and i meet T5. I gave up on T4 more than a month ago.

#9

The problem is remarkably straightforward. I’ll go through point by point.

 

  1. Matchmaker puts T5 ships against T4. We all know this, and few people like it.

 

  1. T5, rightly or wrongly, has a reputation of being nothing but ESB Killsquads and similar well-equipped ships that can make use of overpowered, broken Implants. People don’t want to have to face those in under-equipped, low-level ships, so don’t risk flying T4.

 

  1. This fear of T5 means that the T4 pool decreases, meaning games have longer wait times and are more likely to have T5 ships in them. This in turn discourages more T4 pilots from flying T4.

 

  1. Cycle repeats until the whole system collapses in on itself in an implosion of bad game design.
#10

AFAIK T4 = T5? >.>

Queue solo or in group and i meet T5. I gave up on T4 more than a month ago.

 

But T4 has nice ships, I want to fly them. I don’t like Naga, and I want my Leonina, Kevlar and Tiger to go out for a spin :frowning:

#11

AFAIK there is not much ESB left in T4/T5.

I for myself prefer flying T3 because queue-Times are faster and there are more players… makes the battles less predictable. 

More stuff to shoot at, is a plus, too. 

There is no incentive to get higher tiered ships: Fighting ESB in SecCon is frustrating to a point that players give up the grind. 

Yet, flying R10s isnt rewarding either… most ships suck badly, on the other hand you have a realistic chance to get into end T3 matches if you only equip them. 

Still, Squadding up there with 3+ man? Not doable.

#12

And still, over a year from the beginning of open beta (almost 2 years since closed IIRC) and the meta of the game is still Tier 3… Something’s wrong and the “solutions/fixes” for it ain’t working at all.

#13

AFAIK there is not much ESB left in T4/T5.

I for myself prefer flying T3 because queue-Times are faster and there are more players… makes the battles less predictable. 

More stuff to shoot at, is a plus, too. 

There is no incentive to get higher tiered ships: Fighting ESB in SecCon is frustrating to a point that players give up the grind. 

Yet, flying R10s isnt rewarding either… most ships suck badly, on the other hand you have a realistic chance to get into end T3 matches if you only equip them. 

Still, Squadding up there with 3+ man? Not doable.

 

And still, over a year from the beginning of open beta (almost 2 years since closed IIRC) and the meta of the game is still Tier 3… Something’s wrong and the “solutions/fixes” for it ain’t working at all.

 

Sad part is I pointed out how to fix this way back in November…

 

[http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/21860-suggestion-for-fixed-tier-sector-conquest-mode/?p=241401](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/21860-suggestion-for-fixed-tier-sector-conquest-mode/?p=241401)

 

The endgame content is self defeating. Nobody wants to fly against ESB. Everyone knows and/or assumes that flying in SQ will result in being put into a match against pure T5 ESB squads, so they don’t fly SQ.

 

There are absolutely no incentives to move up, and every incentive to move down. It’s not even a case of “more players would fix this” because no matter how many players you get, people are still going to want to stay in T3 where the matchmaking is fast and the games are better.

 

Unless they start getting drastic, the problem isn’t going to go away.

#14

We have serious issues of not getting a game in T4.

 

Even T5 games are more common, but T4? Last few times we waited for 5-15 minutes every time - no games. Even Error was with us when we wanted to fly a T4 game, and he can confirm that a full squad of R11 (not 12) 3 man or 4 man, at prime with 1500-2000 players, no SQ active, did not get a game. And it happened many times before. This tier is just broken.

 

I am suggesting taking a look into matchmaker, and what is going on in T4 for squads, because this is the hardest tier to get a game. Waiting times are just ludicrous. Please take a look into the queue numbers and see if it can be tuned, so we can get a game. 

 

Maybe people just stopped queuing for t4 altogether. I haven’t queued for t4 myself for a long time.

Although i have seen a few t4 squads in t5 games

 

AFAIK there is not much ESB left in T4/T5.

I for myself prefer flying T3 because queue-Times are faster and there are more players… makes the battles less predictable. 

More stuff to shoot at, is a plus, too. 

There is no incentive to get higher tiered ships: Fighting ESB in SecCon is frustrating to a point that players give up the grind. 

Yet, flying R10s isnt rewarding either… most ships suck badly, on the other hand you have a realistic chance to get into end T3 matches if you only equip them. 

Still, Squadding up there with 3+ man? Not doable.

 

Pretty true. Haven’t seen anyone except mendoza, d6ka and jozer up there

 

As for sector conquest: I, for one, would love to fly against ESB in SecCon but NOT with how sector conquest works currently (Random people being put into your team with FF enabled!)

SecCon should be big squad vs big squad

#15

I queue T4 on occasion but here’s something else to think about too…why in my right mind would i want to equip T4 ships when the MM system ends up grouping everything R11 and higher together…if I’m going to face T5 ships on a regular basis then i’m going to use them as well.    

 

I think for the most part everybody who doesn’t already have T5 unlocked is skipping T4 altogether and grinding those ships in PvE.

#16

That is very encouraging news… I’m in the middle of T3 with a few T4 ships (I never used but bought during the sale). In Sector Conquest many say it is best to have at least top end T4 since T3 - T5 are all match together. I’d like to do Sector Conquest, not for the pathetic rewards, but for the corp.

 

But hearing all this and the fact that it is hard to impossible to get a match in T3 already (solo queues, with 600players online) makes me wonder what I should do now.

 

Should I wait several months stay in low T3 or even T2 until they made the 1.0 release and new players moved up to T3 top end?

 

I can imagine players the haven been playing this game for several months are frustrated and just stop playing the game. With version 0.9.14 you’d think the 1.0 is imminent but with so many bugs and imbalance I doubt they’ll release 1.0 any time soon.

 

That looks for me like 1.0 dead on arrival. All players that played this game during beta, gave their input about improvements, spend their precious time and money will have left the game.

#17

I have no problem getting T3 games with 500-600 people online 3v3-8v8 2-3 minutes wait. But i have skipped T4 enirely myself, i had plenty of Free synergy from T3 prem ships and PvP and some gold injections on synergy transfer sales.

#18

The problem is the voucher grind, its slowing down progress for ALL pilots that want to move up, we should have a MASSIVE amount of people full of T4/5 ships by now. But no one dares go up there due to high grind, long wait times, and kill squads. 

#19

That is very encouraging news… I’m in the middle of T3 with a few T4 ships (I never used but bought during the sale). In Sector Conquest many say it is best to have at least top end T4 since T3 - T5 are all match together. I’d like to do Sector Conquest, not for the pathetic rewards, but for the corp.

 

But hearing all this and the fact that it is hard to impossible to get a match in T3 already (solo queues, with 600players online) makes me wonder what I should do now.

 

Should I wait several months stay in low T3 or even T2 until they made the 1.0 release and new players moved up to T3 top end?

 

I can imagine players the haven been playing this game for several months are frustrated and just stop playing the game. With version 0.9.14 you’d think the 1.0 is imminent but with so many bugs and imbalance I doubt they’ll release 1.0 any time soon.

 

That looks for me like 1.0 dead on arrival. All players that played this game during beta, gave their input about improvements, spend their precious time and money will have left the game.

 

This is just during NA primetime.   Try logging on around say noon EST…things are quite different.   10v10 and 12v12 in T3 on a regular basis and even T4 is semi populated.   

#20

we try it every now and then. sometimes you have nice games in T4, sometimes it’s better to re-t3.

 

 

The problem is the voucher grind, its slowing down progress for ALL pilots that want to move up, we should have a MASSIVE amount of people full of T4/5 ships by now. But no one dares go up there due to high grind, long wait times, and kill squads. 

u sure? coz most ppl have no credits to buy ships. synergy farms okay, vouchers farm okay once you have a base amount of 120k or something per faction, especially if you just try to do the first one each game, but credits…

so ppl go pve all the time, to get more credits, lose interest, and do not queue for pvp.