- Player only can play the ships which matches with the tier. (Just like in the PVE.)
nice list, but i disagree about that one.
they should not bring unsynergized lower tier ships into T4+
i have no problem of people trying to reach full t3 e.g. by bringing some t2 ships to synergize. also its not a shame to bring a fully synergized endgame (mostly / fully purple) t3 along with your unsynergized t4s.
but T4/T5 should not be about synergizing T1-3.
talking pvp only.
What I expect from the next patch:
- Fitting/Checking ships (ship tree) during waiting in queue
- Indicators (Number of players online/running battles/see how many players are in queue, etc.)
- Craftable old items in T3 (like Lightweight Hull, Capacitor Power Relay, Submatter Shield, etc.)
- No bots in PVP
- Player only can play the ships which matches with the tier. (Just like in the PVE.)
- Two crews should be basic to all players. The others would be still buyable with golds.
- At least 1000 PVP games to able to buy a T4 ship, 2000 to buy a T5. Including golden ships.
- Get more mono crystals from missions
- Reduce cost of quick travel (Don’t force players to go to Invasion. They will go anyway if they want to.)
t4 + t5 have no bots 
Agree but where are the veterans? Where are the good T3-5 squads? Sometime in sector but nowhere else. I have to open a topic in the roundtable to figure out where is everybody?
Until the Black Friday, we had enemies in T3. We had ESB, WPK, NASA, HAWK, X3, SYN LUX, R4GE… and we enjoyed the fights so much.
Then now all the queue is empty. I try to rush now to T5 because with my ships I have sometimes no chance in Sector… and in October all my great fight happened there.
I can go any level now, I don’t care if I lost against better ships, but I wanna fight again hard.
The problem is not just the game. The problem is the corps too. But the game doesn’t motivate now to play in squad.
Maybe u enjoy to play solo in T5 because I see the most of u there, but I hate it. I really hate to die and lose a match because of 2-3 idiots who has to take lrf and sit in the spawn… or bring T2 ships or take just one ship or u know all these things… And even if the devs doesn’t help to organise nice fight we can still can do it. Just create a squad, go in queue and wait 10 min every day, before start go solo.
I, personally like games that are at least 6v6 with no bots. So playing T5 is not my cup of tea now. T4 in just duo squad triples waiting times, but sometimes there are 6-8 vs 6-8 games there.
Where are the veterans ? Some are on vacation, some play something else … The problem is that we did not have stable flow of new players to fill the gaps when veterans take a break/leave.
I still preach that giving enough time it will fix itself out, but full year have passed and we still have lack of players in higher tiers.
What I expect from the next patch:
- Fitting/Checking ships (ship tree) during waiting in queue - This will lead into people equipping T3 start que then equip T5. Although I miss pondering and checking my ships while in 7 minute que as well. You should be able to see the tree and make plans or chose ship to change in your slots for next fight, but not fit it.
- Indicators (Number of players online/running battles/see how many players are in queue, etc.) - fully agree, but I doubt it will happen.
- Craftable old items in T3 (like Lightweight Hull, Capacitor Power Relay, Submatter Shield, etc.)
- No bots in PVP
- Player only can play the ships which matches with the tier. (Just like in the PVE.) - Agree, but somehow will hurt the newcomers we want to retain. They have to grind through 3 ships to enter next tier. The idea is good as idea, but we have to think about other things as well. I hate someone with 1 T5 and 3 T1 ships in T5 as well.
- Two crews should be basic to all players. The others would be still buyable with golds. - same thing I suggested. Normal players should get 2 and if you want the extra tune up - you pay. It can be awarded for free on r9 (r12 is for 4th slot) or given credit price. The 3rd and 4th should be for GS only.
- At least 1000 PVP games to able to buy a T4 ship, 2000 to buy a T5. Including golden ships. -No. I agree tier rushers ruin the game for all of us veterans, but this is severe limitation.
- Get more mono crystals from missions - Free player should be able to get 1 special ship for 1 month stable every day grind. Paying players should get them for half the time. Numbers must be tweaked toward that. Do not give lazy players ships, but if you are dedicated you should not be forced to grind for 9 whole months every day for 3 ships.
- Reduce cost of quick travel (Don’t force players to go to Invasion. They will go anyway if they want to.) - Playing 4-6 matches, doing all your contracts then spend your whole earnings on travel. It may be OK for veterans that do not have to save for ships, but for a guy who did the mistake to buy his first T4 ship and have to save credits for another T4 ship it is torture. Also if the pilot is frigate pilot and did the mistake to buy his first T4 to be frigate - good luck traveling.
The veterans are playing special ops mostly. And SQ, since you can go with full squads there.
Most people here just tell the new guys to find some friends and join a corp so they have some corp mates to help them in the missions. All tier 3 PvE is easy if you have a Styx in your team.
It is normal that new guys find difficult the change from T1 to T2-3 pve. T1 is super easy, and it is ok to get the first grasp of pve scenarios.
Then in Tier 2-3 you need some team coordination, and you need to bring the right ships. It is good, because if people don’t understand that, they will then suffer in T4-5 pve.
What then? ask to lower the difficulty of T4-5 pve?
And let’s think they do it. what now? drop the difficulty of Special Ops? make the whole game a theme park ride with hand holding all the time?
You need to balance between helping new players and give some challenges for the ones who want that.
So far that balance comes from corporations. Join corporations, find people, ask in the global chat for pre-made teams.
Current PvE difficulty is all right.
PS: Also, the player base is currently higher than anytime before. And it is steadily growing every day. But so far most of the new people are still in low tier/mid tier games.
“So far that balance comes from corporations. Join corporations, find people, ask in the global chat for pre-made teams."
that’s the probelm. the devs always think they know more about the players than themself, or they think the players should play as what they think…but normally both of this two ways will kill the game by make players leave. this is a game, and they sell it, so what they should do is make sure the players can get fine, not force them to join corporations or some other things.
and for how hard the pve.
the problem is not the pve is too hard, the problem is there is no easy pve only the hard way.
by the way, about the game’s stickiness, now what ever pve or pvp, players have to pay all their attentions. for example, if a players after whole day job and dinner, just want to get some fun and have a rest… before he can play some T5 in T1 pve with some friends just do some fun…but now, what ever he choose the pve or pvp it need to spend lots attention…and so he will go choose some other games which have those light part to spand time, and if that game also have some hard part (for most of the games they will have) than he will never go back to SC again, and that’s how those devs get players away.
don’t tell me that they can play T1 that’s easy. the light players pay the same money into the game and only get 1/5 of the game? if SC is the only one game… than it possible, or if it’s made by blizzard than it’s possible, otherwise…the number of the players on server right now already give out the answer.
“So far that balance comes from corporations. Join corporations, find people, ask in the global chat for pre-made teams."
that’s the probelm. the devs always think they know more about the players than themself, or they think the players should play as what they think…but normally both of this two ways will kill the game by make players leave. this is a game, and they sell it, so what they should do is make sure the players can get fine, not force them to join corporations or some other things.
and for how hard the pve.
the problem is not the pve is too hard, the problem is there is no easy pve only the hard way.
by the way, about the game’s stickiness, now what ever pve or pvp, players have to pay all their attentions. for example, if a players after whole day job and dinner, just want to get some fun and have a rest… before he can play some T5 in T1 pve with some friends just do some fun…but now, what ever he choose the pve or pvp it need to spend lots attention…and so he will go choose some other games which have those light part to spand time, and if that game also have some hard part (for most of the games they will have) than he will never go back to SC again, and that’s how those devs get players away.
don’t tell me that they can play T1 that’s easy. the light players pay the same money into the game and only get 1/5 of the game? if SC is the only one game… than it possible, or if it’s made by blizzard than it’s possible, otherwise…the number of the players on server right now already give out the answer.
You know what needs a lot of attention? Move though low sec in a cargo freighter in Eve Online.
Here you don’t need attention. You can fly drunk and still have fun. If you can win games without paying attention, where is the fun?
Playing tier 5 ships in tier 1 pve was wrong. Really wrong. A lot of people complained and they were right. I didn’t care, for me was great to have one of the big boys in my team when I was playing tier 1 and tier 2, but I can understand people.
Also, the real reason they locked the tiers is because people was using low tier PvE to level up high tier ships, thus leaving high tier games unpopulated, mostly T4, because nobody wanted to “grind” tier 4 ships against the very few veterans who still played tier 4 and 5 instead of sealclubbing T3 in death squads.
Now, thanks to that change, many people are playing high tier PvP games, and it is great for everyone, because now a lot of people are playing high tiers with half leveled ships, so they are not losing hard, they are having fun, and veterans are leaving t3 games to play high tier ones or high end content like the special ops, so people in tier 3 are having more fun because they are not farmed so heavily by such said death squads.
All this being said, I won’t mind if they make T2 and T3 PvE apart. I really don’t mind, as long as they keep the tier lock in PvE.
I agree that buying a rank 4 ship and going straight into PvE is a pain right now, but it was not very different as I found myself when I bought my Phobos and went to tier 4 PvE. I was doing nothing, and at that time you couldn’t even respawn!
Here you don’t need attention. You can fly drunk and still have fun. If you can win games without paying attention, where is the fun?
Bahahahaha, you just made me remember good times in pre-NASA merge WPK. Hahahahaha.
The lack of an easy alternative is definitely hurting the game.
I’ve said many times that the leveling mechanics themselves are part of the problem. New players get slaughtered by vets in purple ships and its only natural they blame their crappy white / green gear. Then they see how much grind is needed to get blue / purple and they feel cheated.
Trying to push vets up and out of lower tiers doesn’t work properly either because then many vets have the same problem. I don’t want to bring a green R13 with 4/12 synergy levels against purple R15s with max synergy. I’d much rather tier down and fly with top-tier, max-synergy purple ships than bottom-tier sub-par ones.
So the leveling system is inherently toxic, but traditionally PvE was the way around that. Only now T4 isn’t viable in PvE unless you’ve got seriously good players to carry you through it and the xp rate is abyssmal even with 2x daily bonus, a licence and over 100 fleet rating!
This leads to a catch 22. PvP stops being fun, and trying to bypass the bad parts of PvP becomes almost impossible.
Add to that a squadding mechanic that won’t let you play with friends, no support for competitive squads and an increasing focus on grinding an Invasion mode nobody wants to fly, and it’s painfully obvious why the game’s matchmaking is not improving.
Sadly, the Devs will never fix any of this because that would mean a drastic reduction in grind, and grind is vital to their monetisation system.
The lack of an easy alternative is definitely hurting the game.
See, it’s because of Occam’s Razor that the game is in its current state.
I play another game. There are 3 options in every dungeon.
Normal
Easy - 50% monsters HP, 50% damage, 50% xp gain, 50% gold, 50% loot.
Epic - 200% Hp, damage, xp etc.
If we have this option maybe it will solve it ?
New players on full white no synergy ships can still play PvE until they get green/blue to play normal. When they are full purple they can as well go and try hardcore for double gain.
You know what needs a lot of attention? Move though low sec in a cargo freighter in Eve Online.
Here you don’t need attention. You can fly drunk and still have fun. If you can win games without paying attention, where is the fun?
Playing tier 5 ships in tier 1 pve was wrong. Really wrong. A lot of people complained and they were right. I didn’t care, for me was great to have one of the big boys in my team when I was playing tier 1 and tier 2, but I can understand people.
Also, the real reason they locked the tiers is because people was using low tier PvE to level up high tier ships, thus leaving high tier games unpopulated, mostly T4, because nobody wanted to “grind” tier 4 ships against the very few veterans who still played tier 4 and 5 instead of sealclubbing T3 in death squads.
Now, thanks to that change, many people are playing high tier PvP games, and it is great for everyone, because now a lot of people are playing high tiers with half leveled ships, so they are not losing hard, they are having fun, and veterans are leaving t3 games to play high tier ones or high end content like the special ops, so people in tier 3 are having more fun because they are not farmed so heavily by such said death squads.
All this being said, I won’t mind if they make T2 and T3 PvE apart. I really don’t mind, as long as they keep the tier lock in PvE.
I agree that buying a rank 4 ship and going straight into PvE is a pain right now, but it was not very different as I found myself when I bought my Phobos and went to tier 4 PvE. I was doing nothing, and at that time you couldn’t even respawn!
well…you are a hard players ,so you don’t understand those light players.
maybe they really made the game in the way you like. but look the number of players on sever…look on those people who already leave the game…
“Here you don’t need attention. You can fly drunk and still have fun. If you can win games without paying attention, where is the fun?”
well just because this fun that you don’t like. they lost lots of players…so where is the players?
“Now, thanks to that change, many people are playing high tier PvP games, and it is great for everyone”
now, thanks to that change, many people are left at all, and it is unfriendly for every new one.
if they really care about those players who don’t want play with higher shipps, why in the custom battle room we still can’t use any shipps we want?
because we will force other players to play with us???
the truce is we didn’t force any other players, but the devs force all players play in the way they think is cooooooooool
and right now there are so many other games, so force the players is the worst way, because players will leave so easy.
so the result is so many people left…
there is no matter how you or me feel the game is hard or easy. we already get the result, ther players number on sever is lower and lower everyday, now we only talk about how did the devs make this players lose, and why looks they will continue losing players.
well…you are a hard players ,so you don’t understand those light players.
maybe they really made the game in the way you like. but look the number of players on sever…look on those people who already leave the game…
“Here you don’t need attention. You can fly drunk and still have fun. If you can win games without paying attention, where is the fun?”
well just because this fun that you don’t like. they lost lots of players…so where is the players?
“Now, thanks to that change, many people are playing high tier PvP games, and it is great for everyone”
now, thanks to that change, many people are left at all, and it is unfriendly for every new one.
if they really care about those players who don’t want play with higher shipps, why in the custom battle room we still can’t use any shipps we want?
because we will force other players to play with us???
the truce is we didn’t force any other players, but the devs force all players play in the way they think is cooooooooool
and right now there are so many other games, so force the players is the worst way, because players will leave so easy.
so the result is so many people left…
there is no matter how you or me feel the game is hard or easy. we already get the result, ther players number on sever is lower and lower everyday, now we only talk about how did the devs make this players lose, and why looks they will continue losing players.
Actually this is wrong. The numbers are not getting lower and lower.
Actually this is wrong. The numbers are not getting lower and lower.
hopes…maybe only the people in my friend list left the game.
but don’t you think the most important problem is not that the “mm system is balance or not” is just that what ever how MM works, we need more players for the MM system to work.
and we need more light things to increase the game’s stickiness for those light player?
Actually this is wrong. The numbers are not getting lower and lower.
Oh hey, they’re ALL in T1/2. If the queue bars were still up, they’d show that.
Even so, if the numbers are growing or, god forbid, stalling, why were they hidden?
Actually this is wrong. The numbers are not getting lower and lower.
And where do you get that information ? Out of thin air ? I have been here for over a year now and its god damn obvious that the player base is getting low, very low. How do we know it ? This is a very easy question to answer, first, you (not you personally Error) guys took out the only tool allowing player to know how many player are currently playing and from what I remember 4 month ago, there used to be around 250 to 400 players online during eastern prime time (400 player online is LOW, no matter what). Also, the fact that I have to wait for over 10 min. per game (soloing) to find a game in T3 and also the fact that the amount of player in battle is constantly dropping. I used to be able to get 10 vs 10 in T3, cant get that anymore.
You should play during the week-end Seph then ! Guess what ? You guys STILL havent fixed the damn packet loss problem and its been WAY over a month now. There is 3 specific server that are causing problem (I pointed them out in another post) and during the week-end the server are broken, the latency make the game unplayable.
There is just too many crap to fix now and this is getting annoying, very annoying…
And where do you get that information ?
We have superpowers.
We have superpowers.
I know that… not allowing us to know doesnt make sense unless dev want to hide the fact that the game population is dying ! and yes, I am angry because this game is great when it come to gameplay and it suck to see it sink.
Edit: Your super power (if any) are broken
Oh hey, they’re ALL in T1/2. If the queue bars were still up, they’d show that.
Even so, if the numbers are growing or, god forbid, stalling, why were they hidden?
And where do you get that information ? Out of thin air ? I have been here for over a year now and its god damn obvious that the player base is getting low, very low. How do we know it ? This is a very easy question to answer, first, you (not you personally Error) guys took out the only tool allowing player to know how many player are currently playing and from what I remember 4 month ago, there used to be around 250 to 400 players online during eastern prime time (400 player online is LOW, no matter what). Also, the fact that I have to wait for over 10 min. per game (soloing) to find a game in T3 and also the fact that the amount of player in battle is constantly dropping. I used to be able to get 10 vs 10 in T3, cant get that anymore.
You should play during the week-end Seph then ! Guess what ? You guys STILL havent fixed the damn packet loss problem and its been WAY over a month now. There is 3 specific server that are causing problem (I pointed them out in another post) and during the week-end the server are broken, the latency make the game unplayable.
There is just too many crap to fix now and this is getting annoying, very annoying…
We have superpowers.
come on guys…don’t push him…you know at his position, there is something he have to say…so …just let it go…
i still in this bbs because i like this game…
but i have to say…i don’t know did the devs knows that the most problem we got now is not enough players or not…but what they did is really make players leave…
come on guys…don’t push him…you know at his position, there is something he have to say…so …just let it go…
i still in this bbs because i like this game…
but i have to say…i don’t know did the devs knows that the most problem we got now is not enough players or not…but what they did is really make players leave…
I know Error (not on a personnal level) enough to know he is not gonna take it personal. he has a job to do and sometime he will have to deal with angry people, its part of his job as an administrator/moderator/community manager. I am merely expressing my concern/anger toward what I think is a problem as a supporter of this game.
I know Error (not on a personnal level) enough to know he is not gonna take it personal. he has a job to do and sometime he will have to deal with angry people, its part of his job as an administrator/moderator/community manager. I am merely expressing my concern/anger toward what I think is a problem as a supporter of this game.
same to me…maybe the only problem is that we speak this in the english bbs not the russia one…hopes this feeling is a big wrong.