So are Interceptors OP

A) With such regen 1 second is not enough, unless you were saving up prior to use a module since with depleted cap this build has 62 energy regen per second, and it will take up to 2 seconds to get back into stable region. This is Kite vs EagleB argument all over again, we already had multiple pages of discussion on it many times, and I am glad to see that those discussions did influence in a way quite a few pilots from these forums, and they can see much deeper in core performance differences.

B) o-rly

C) Without adaptive this ship is wet tissue paper comparing to “free” interceptors, capable of taking 3-4 EM torps in the face like a boss. And yet having same level of DPS output, how is that “different” and not “worse” than others?

D) Ping is the biggest downside of the gun, but not because of the projectile speed, mainly due to fire rate (even with 100 s/m) with normal ping it is pretty good vs good pilots, but that has nothing to do with Golden Eagle vs Rest of T5 CovOps.

 

A) “unless you were saving up prior to use a module” Yep, you are getting close to the point, you just didn’t realize it yet. Smashing your keyboard and switching modules on or always take care about your energy, know when to stop and switching modules on when you REALLY need them. That’s what differentiate a casual pilot from a pro pilot. Timing.

B) Yes, really.

C) If you get torpedoed 3 or 4 times, then you doing something bad. And if you think Golden Eagle can have less damage output, then you fitted your ship wrong.

D) I don’t get it, why fire rate would influence the projectiles to reach the target. But please explain it, I want to hear the full story behind your philosophy.

A) There is a tremendous difference in “Use when available” vs " Use when needed", the 79/77 in T5 will narrow down windows of opportunities, introducing preparations and recovery cycles. That WILL reduce your influence on game outcome and overall presence.

B) And how do you know? is it because you can’t hit with shrapnels?

C) No, not really, ability to take toprs to the face, allows you on purpose take them to the face while it hits torp owner as well.

  • Golden Eagle can not outdps Falcon-M period

  • In order to out DPS Gray Falcon or Wakizashi R you must use one of the cap slots for a heatsink, meaning you can no longer have stable energy and emergency barrier, compromising your already terrible “tank” even further, and that 10% DPS gain will be easily out performed by Waki/GF because while you gain 10% dmg , those inties will have ~3x time RAW tank on top of infinitely better agility tank, because your Golden Falcon simply can not maneuver well the moment Engineer is not in a proximity, which leads to exponentially increased amount of arrows taken to the knees.

D) Basic geometry from middle school, with 300 Fire Rate you can create a cone of fire that you can adjust and intersect with target trajectory even with high ping, while low fire rate gun has to be perfectly timed. There is a good test backing up this that HAS BEEN done about 10 times on pilots that mainly fly shrapnel gun.

  • Have an agile interceptor with equal kinetic and EM resistances,

  • Have 2 ships that would have same agility but have equalized DPS on Shrapnel cannon and Supernova RFB

  • Conduct a test on a server that would have 250+ Ping for the pew-pew guy and let them dogfigth for 10 minutes with each gun

After that go through logs and calculate the total dmg done by shrapenl and SUPERNOVA (that has 2-2.5 slower projectile speed than shrapnel) RFB, results are consistently in favor RFB, because with Shrap with high ping you gravitate towards 0% Hit rate while with RFB in same conditions you still can hit something.

With <100 Ping Shrapnel cannon is capable of being the best dog-fighting weapon (after lazors), and living proof of that is Takamina, Zerk1, ECMnoob, Wolkor and so on. There are multiple reasons to Shrapnel efficiency, but again, they have nothing to do with current discussion on how Golden Eagle is worse than other 3 interceptors.

The Waki can’t turn or doesn’t have energy if you like to reach the same speed with it. What is the advantage of the Golden Eagle? the 3 cpu and the 2 capacitor. that makes it deadly.

Maybe he falcon-m can be the same good in speed+damage. the waki is a different ship, it need a different style.

some examples

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Even without Gigas2 these builds are tankier and more agile than anything Golden Eagle can come up with, and even if you make a GoldeAgleFlyingBrickMadeOfToiletPaperLoLmoreDPS build, through that tankiness these “free” CovOps will enforce tremendously more dmg.

GrayFalcon even has a luxury of keeping Gigas 2 on top of enormous maneuverability, 2x Adaptives and high speed.

A) There is a tremendous difference in “Use when available” vs " Use when needed", the 79/77 in T5 will narrow down windows of opportunities, introducing preparations and recovery cycles. That WILL reduce your influence on game outcome and overall presence.

B) And how do you know? is it because you can’t hit with shrapnels?

C) No, not really, ability to take toprs to the face, allows you on purpose take them to the face while it hits torp owner as well.

  • Golden Eagle can not outdps Falcon-M period

  • In order to out DPS Gray Falcon or Wakizashi R you must use one of the cap slots for a heatsink, meaning you can no longer have stable energy and emergency barrier, compromising your already terrible “tank” even further, and that 10% DPS gain will be easily out performed by Waki/GF because while you gain 10% dmg , those inties will have ~3x time RAW tank on top of infinitely better agility tank, because your Golden Falcon simply can not maneuver well the moment Engineer is not in a proximity, which leads to exponentially increased amount of arrows taken to the knees.

D) Basic geometry from middle school, with 300 Fire Rate you can create a cone of fire that you can adjust and intersect with target trajectory even with high ping, while low fire rate gun has to be perfectly timed. There is a good test backing up this that HAS BEEN done about 10 times on pilots that mainly fly shrapnel gun.

  • Have an agile interceptor with equal kinetic and EM resistances,

  • Have 2 ships that would have same agility but have equalized DPS on Shrapnel cannon and Supernova RFB

  • Conduct a test on a server that would have 250+ Ping for the pew-pew guy and let them dogfigth for 10 minutes with each gun

After that go through logs and calculate the total dmg done by shrapenl and SUPERNOVA (that has 2-2.5 slower projectile speed than shrapnel) RFB, results are consistently in favor RFB, because with Shrap with high ping you gravitate towards 0% Hit rate while with RFB in same conditions you still can hit something.

With <100 Ping Shrapnel cannon is capable of being the best dog-fighting weapon (after lazors), and living proof of that is Takamina, Zerk1, ECMnoob, Wolkor and so on. There are multiple reasons to Shrapnel efficiency, but again, they have nothing to do with current discussion on how Golden Eagle is worse than other 3 interceptors.

 

A) If it narrows you, then we have nothing to talk about anymore.

B) No, but it seems you can’t hit with RF Blasters, otherwise you would say things like that.

C) Yep, Golden Eagle is not a bullet-sponge. And with the damage-fit, you have to be really careful.

D) And now you bring up evidences that the RF Blaster is a better dogfight weapon. Please try to stick to your truth, or admit it you were wrong before you change your mind. And by the way, yes it creates a cone, but it’s because of the spread as well, not only because of the fire rate. And you can have as much fire rate as you want, if the enemy is moving, you always have to adjust and hit nothing. If you increase the projectile speed, the deviation will be smaller and you will have more chance to calculate where to aim to hit the target. And just one more thing: Takamina never dogfights with Shrapnel, only if they are less experienced and slow. He usually takes down frigates and fighters and he only goes for interceptors when they escaping or moving on a relative straight line. I met with Takamina on a russian server a month ago, and he almost never hit me with the Shrapnel, but he perfectly used his missiles. And yes, missiles has explosion radius and faster projectile speed. But you are right, there’s nothing to do with this.

P.S.: With 250+ ping, you have much bigger problems than hitting with an interceptor. Small ships becomes uncontrollable. Just sayin’.

With 350 ping, I am happy to settle for frigs, some fighters and slow turn inties.

I guess in a way they are “op” because hitting the 242 builds is difficult even with lasers, as well as the fact that I am unable to fly those builds due to wobble ship

It’s manageable but not ideal. When my inti reaches over 138 deg/s it starts to wobble by itself. 242 build wobbles up to 80 degrees per sec due to ping. Keyboard and mouse are standard issue, if there is a way to make them work better at reducing wobble aside from manual correction, I’d like to hear it! :stuck_out_tongue:

Bringing up old screenshots ruins the image? How?

Bringing up old screenshots ruins the image? How?

Maybe I didn’t draw this up well, but I think discrediting and proving false statements with old screenshots just simply not belongs to this community.

P.S.: Anyway, I don’t feel the shame somehow. I just simply don’t like the motivaton of the post.

your reply to the screenshot

your reply to the screenshot

Oh ok. Sorry, it’s my fault, I just couldn’t see it from the several clever things what you wrote.

I still say, Golden Eagle is a pretty awesome ship, not worse than any other Covert Opses, you just need to use it in the correct way.

one more time, Gray Falcon has 10% Base dmg passive bonus , that is easily a 1x CPU replacement, so the only way for geagle to out dps GF is to use a heatsink and that ~10% dps gain is nothing when you take into account all other parameters, even further, GF with 2x adaptives, gigas2 and 540 speed is tanky enough to use heatsink itself, now in order to outdps that geagle need to use both caps for dmg, but that makes it multiple times weaker than GF across all ship parameters.

one more time, Gray Falcon has 10% Base dmg passive bonus , that is easily a 1x CPU replacement, so the only way for geagle to out dps GF is to use a heatsink and that ~10% dps gain is nothing when you take into account all other parameters, even further, GF with 2x adaptives, gigas2 and 540 speed is tanky enough to use heatsink itself, now in order to outdps that geagle need to use both caps for dmg, but that makes it multiple times weaker than GF across all ship parameters.

 

Just because you need more survivability, it doesn’t mean everyone does to stay alive. It depends on the play style. Didn’t you think about it yet? :slight_smile:

P.S. 250 Ping is manageable in interceptors, there might be a problem with your control devices you use to connect to your KeyBoard and Mouse.

Here, take a note of the Ping:

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Tbh RacePirateX doesn’t count, he’s a pretty damn good pilot. 

still not outdpsing falconM.

then gray falcon puts a pylon on hull and vouala geagle arent out dpsing it any more, while grayfalcon stais as better flying frame. even on paper with stupid build geagle can not out do falcons

well, but i just learned from xk, that the wakiR is the most mobile ceptor in T5. not the grey. for whatever invented reasons.

and that because if we mention falcon-m and grey falcon in the same sentence, it also has more damage than the golden eagle. yes because of a pylon, which makes the excel numbers better. well forget the upsides on em weapons and nova and stuff. 

kostyan completely rearranged my understanding of things.

or maybe, sit in the ships more.

 

we all can be sometimes wrong, and the difference in knowledge about this game, is not as big as some might think.

 

golden eagle is the best niche EM dogfighter, and the worst in tank. it is second best in mobility compared to the cos, but you get similar mobility with better tank on the wakiR. using other weapons than em makes little sense on the GE, because you get more out of any falcon.

well guyz all T5 interceptors are OP especially Premium CO!

Those ships should be nerfed!

well guyz all T5 interceptors are OP especially Premium CO!

Those ships should be nerfed!

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And here comes the GIFs…

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