Skill vs. Skill - Standard and Premium ships only!

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5 hours ago, Original_Taz said:

the problem with balance is  … product vs. profit …  the bottom line is  that there are a maximum amount of players that can be  logged on at the  same time  and still have a  playable  FPS . so players  want new  things  to buy (product) but  in doing that it  requires more  server space  to store the  new  ships  and  that results in the  maximum online players  being  reduced (profit) to save  space on the  server .  so how  do they balance  this  problem …     veteran players  buy very little  product . they have  everything  and  have  been buying and  farming  for  years  and  now  just play for  fun (take up space) . so whats the  solution  ??? these  veteran players  need  to be  removed from the  game  to make  room for  new  players  that still need to buy everything. how  do you remove  a  group of players  that have  been loyally paying and  playing  the  game  for  years ? …anger them frustrate  them infuriate them  till they simply find  another game to play  …  (phase 1)enter  the  R-14 destroyers  … wow  the  veteran players  loved those  …$1000’s later and  they had  all three  dominating the  game  like  never before  …for  one  month at least till the  R-14 destroyers  were  nerfed  to extinction. (phase 2) enter  the  Tai’Kin the  first ship to basically destroy PVP  (the original beta idea for this  game) no hull no shields but  you cant hit it  with any main weapon .however it  can hit  you and  when it  does  your  dead  in three  shots  … so what is  balance  … a revolving  door  of  new  players  that pay $500 over  2-3 months  then get bored  and  leave , making  space  for  the  next group of  new  players  doing  the  same  …  so balance  has  very little  to do with match making  or  ship ranks  and  a lot  to do with finding a way to charge  players  regularly without  taking  up server  memory  (IE… giving  them product) 

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“C’mon it’s balanced”

 

Sure man, very balanced, uh…

 

It’s just an old example, from start of this year when matchmaker from hell was introduced and when i noticed something serrious is going on with game balance. Now balance is even much worst, i don’t have Steam installed, didn’t save latest screens.

But you have the point, i have seen incredibly balanced score also, but rare. This is even more strange, how can matchmaker algorythm balance 20 people from all around the world, with completly different machines and ping, so perfectly? Maybe matchmaker is manipulated in real time, this would be even worst shame for developers.

 

Is it true what Original_Taz and others are saying, are we tagged to lose because we don’t bring developers any direct profit (It’s a free game, last time i checked)?

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8 minutes ago, Xspot said:

Is it true what Original_Taz and others are saying, are we tagged to lose because we don’t bring developers any direct profit (It’s a free game, last time i checked)?

 

If it is true then they need to try harder because I don’t die easily even using standard ships only. I contribute still though by other means.

 

Also some people think the world is after them and people talk but it doesn’t make it true. *NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE HERE IS*

 

AND… they still need players whether paying or not. Without them who are you going to fill MM with?

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Xspot said:

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“C’mon it’s balanced”

 

Sure man, very balanced, uh…

 

It’s just an old example, from start of this year when matchmaker from hell was introduced and when i noticed something serrious is going on with game balance. Now balance is even much worst, i don’t have Steam installed, didn’t save latest screens.

But you have the point, i have seen incredibly balanced score also, but rare. This is even more strange, how can matchmaker algorythm balance 20 people from all around the world, with completly different machines and ping, so perfectly? Maybe matchmaker is manipulated in real time, this would be even worst shame for developers.

 

Is it true what Original_Taz and others are saying, are we tagged to lose because we don’t bring developers any direct profit (It’s a free game, last time i checked)?

Instead of looking for excuses for your losses, try improving yourself. And no “match making from hell” is just in your head.

Steam rolling opposing teams has happened since day one and Matchmaking is far from only contributing factor to such events.

 

 

 

 

 

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[@xKostyan](< base_url >/index.php?/profile/236074-xkostyan/) it looks like you have old cheats. You should update to current version. It’s awesome!  

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"Instead of looking for excuses for your losses, try improving yourself. And no “match making from hell” is just in your head.

Steam rolling opposing teams has happened since day one and Matchmaking is far from only contributing factor to such events."

 

You’re insoulting my inteligence with your empty bushido talk, man.

I don’t want to stuff forum with insane unbalanced screens, people can see who is right for themselfs after every PVP match they were in.

You fail to see the point, i didn’t get where i am with my stats by miracle or luck, it takes some serrious effort and dedicated  gameplay to win more than you lose and upgrade every single ship and item you need to compete. It took me years, considering my poor internet line and old computer. Once done, one would expect to gain some advantage over less developed fleets, in fact, i won slightly more than i lost until matchmaker from hell was introduced.

I have almost everything available in this game, all max and purple upgrades, stil i lose 10 or more matches in a row, no matter what i do, never ever did that happened to me before.

Take a good look around you, many people are complaining and leaving, we just can’t tell what exactly went wrong with this game, we don’t see the code but we do know it’s not the same anymore.

You know me, you have seen me in battles and you know i am no quiter or sorrow looser, i write this because i care, not to agrue with you about some relative details.

 

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1 hour ago, Xspot said:

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I have almost everything available in this game, all max and purple upgrades, stil i lose 10 or more matches in a row, no matter what i do…

 

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Play better, simple. 

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C’mon guys. Nothing is wrong with ellydium ships.
The problem if you try to kill them with conventional ships.
If you want to balanced pvp, you need get ellydium ships.

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4 hours ago, Xspot said:

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"Instead of looking for excuses for your losses, try improving yourself. And no “match making from hell” is just in your head.

Steam rolling opposing teams has happened since day one and Matchmaking is far from only contributing factor to such events."

 

You’re insoulting my inteligence with your empty bushido talk, man.

I don’t want to stuff forum with insane unbalanced screens, people can see who is right for themselfs after every PVP match they were in.

You fail to see the point, i didn’t get where i am with my stats by miracle or luck, it takes some serrious effort and dedicated  gameplay to win more than you lose and upgrade every single ship and item you need to compete. It took me years, considering my poor internet line and old computer. Once done, one would expect to gain some advantage over less developed fleets, in fact, i won slightly more than i lost until matchmaker from hell was introduced.

I have almost everything available in this game, all max and purple upgrades, stil i lose 10 or more matches in a row, no matter what i do, never ever did that happened to me before.

Take a good look around you, many people are complaining and leaving, we just can’t tell what exactly went wrong with this game, we don’t see the code but we do know it’s not the same anymore.

You know me, you have seen me in battles and you know i am no quiter or sorrow looser, i write this because i care, not to agrue with you about some relative details.

 

There’s no point writing essays for him. You’ll only receive one liners or .gif.

 

Playing better helps until you end up with 8 loss streak majority of time you did better than rest of team.  That, or since everyone is playing better you still end up with the ship imbalances,  though you have a better chance of slowing their efforts

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27 minutes ago, RennieAshII said:

There’s no point writing essays for him. You’ll only receive one liners or .gif.

 

Playing better helps until you end up with 8 loss streak majority of time you did better than rest of team.  That, or since everyone is playing better you still end up with the ship imbalances,  though you have a better chance of slowing their efforts

You get an essay when it make sense to write one.

His reasonings and expectations are bullcrap - this is PvP game and any single time there are live opponents on the other team that want to win.

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On 30.5.2017 at 10:04 AM, Tillowaty said:

did you hear that?

lol. that sounds terribly much work just to get the same result?

i would rather whish, i can help them find their way with feedback, so i can do stuff, that is impossible in this game aswell 

like… fun. just joking.

 

besides, i am more the “I know how it should be done” type, because i like to experiment and study, leaves me however with a terrible finishing rate and a lack of sense of humor and switch to such dry explanations, when it comes to my inner game designer complex.

 

On 29.5.2017 at 3:59 PM, Tillowaty said:

You’ve been always using most broken ship combination and now you complaining about talkins? C’mon Koro

koro? cmon. last time i checked, his lineup was far from tharga taikin vigilant brokk or similar. koro i know most for his trusty aura, which is where he shines. also guy who says a good lineup begins with 3 types of LRF isn’t the one who should complain, even with forged papers, where you reclassified them as recons.

 

 

On 29.5.2017 at 3:40 PM, xKostyan said:

Fun fact:

each fun fact was less fun than the previous. too many fun facts leads to small hands.

Don’t do that.

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10 hours ago, aldermatias said:

The problem if you try to kill them with conventional ships.


 

that’s what we got for interpreting evolution aka survival of the (fittest = strongest) instead of fittest meaning the complex interaction of nature, where survival and harmony are intertwined, but we actually want to criticize each others beliefs through a proxy war topic about feeling good about ourselves.

so introducing a new shipline with 10x stats, multi-ability-spasms is “evolution”, new generation, and all you old fools trying to kill them with conventional methods, you are just not walking with time!

what? game? balance? just adapt!

eat your soma in this brave new world!

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27 minutes ago, g4borg said:

also guy who says a good lineup begins with 3 types of LRF isn’t the one who should complain, even with forged papers, where you reclassified them as recons.

I never had 3 types of LRFs… Just one PewPew LRF and one Recon LRF. And Why I shouldn’t complain? LRFs are like the easiest ships to counter  

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1 hour ago, Tillowaty said:

LRFs are like the easiest ships to counter 

lol

you tell that to yourself to feel good about the high kill amounts? 

easiest - lets say, maybe from all those ships, which do need a counter…

 

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to be less rude i do have a reaction on OP

On 5/29/2017 at 2:16 PM, Koromac said:

The so called new Matchmaker is a mess. Unbalanced, unfair and favoring only one side.

 

I am not sure if “new” applies. and i am also unsure, if blaming matchmaker is useful. how should you balance it out, if you go by skill, but some people love to play broken ships, others just are good with anything. both create the same stats.

i have heard a lot of good approaches how a mm might work. but i think, blaming squads, mm, skilled players, etc. for lost matches is kinda besides the point, if the game feels unbalanced by the ships.

to be honest, unbalanced games happen everywhere. having a loss streak doesnt mean, the games are bad, or it was balancing issue. So I would rather take my focus on topics like “which kind of unbalanced games are worst”. What specific things are frustrating.

 

E.g. I find frustrating, that a losing team gets punished with more respawn times; and that pushing directly to the spawn is so simple in SC. I find it frustrating, that there are abilities, which enable you to deny a “fighting team” against a “lazy dominating team” to play the objectives, simply because one ship can fart* a damage cloud, etc. - and while i generally like the idea of area damage, it is finally time, that the only way to disrupt capturing should be by counter capturing or anything “close quarter”. There should be simply no way to deny a beacon “in absence” or from far away.

 

*) sorry but why is this word censored? lol?

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30 minutes ago, g4borg said:

you tell that to yourself to feel good about the high kill amounts? 

 

it’s low since dessie release  

you really would call this high?

 

30 minutes ago, g4borg said:

easiest - lets say, maybe from all those ships, which do need a counter…

 

see? you got the idea of glass cannon

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48 minutes ago, Tillowaty said:

it’s low since dessie release  

you really would call this high?

you really need to see an therapist

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7 minutes ago, John161 said:

you really need to see an therapist

Why?

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5 hours ago, John161 said:

you really need to see an therapist

He need a girlfriend.

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Just now, aldermatias said:

He need a girlfriend.

2nd? Who would have enough nerves for that…