I learned this from watching TUF, DYN, NASA, NOVA and a few other corps, and watching comments during battle. I did not come up with this on my own.I was told about it.
NASA does not support this type of so called “strategy” we have signed the inter-corp agreement.
Please see the in-game [ToS](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/8916-game-server-code-of-conduct/).
Section IV:
d) refuse to deal damage to the enemy. Shall be punished by blocking the account for 24 hours.
h) refuse to fight against the members of the corporation. Shall be punished by blocking the
account for 24 hours.
The problem with the MM is recognized, but please be patient until it is properly addressed. In the meanwhile, be mindful that you are not breaking rules.
Well I deal damage and get kills always, so then this does not apply??
I will always at least try to get kills other wise my rating gets hurt.
This does not say anything about not trying to win.
If a GM wrote this post it would be OK. but since the most hated guy in the game writes it…
Ok, Ok. I think this is derailing abit. So lets establish the points on the outstanding issue:
Lets not get up in arms, its not done to troll. But if it is against TOS then of course that doesn’t make it ok, it still puts that team to a disadvantage. they may be not in a corp at all and they are essentially being penalized for something not their fault at all. So this still is a problem.even if the motivation is not malicious.
Solution: Perhaps alter the system so members of the same corp on different teams don’t end up in this conflicting situation?
I personally don’t mind facing off with other corp members. Its fun to test their mettle and proceed to get blown to smithereens by them repeatedly. But more hardcore players will min/mix every point they can, and thus may be faced with this dilemma. I’m not totally clear on what the original post is suggesting beyond a sector conquest change, simply because I don’t think it’d really address the issue? But maybe I’m reading it wrong.
Sector Conquest is a dilemma because you have corps, and then you have individuals thrown into the mix. Treating everyone like individuals [like it does now] in regards to matchmaking, makes sense. But that creates the problem of how points are awarded to corps. And overall, the matchmaking system is struggling with such a low population. This may be resolved simply with more members, and the system tweaked so it leans more towards either sticking people of the came corp on the same sides, or a limit to so many on one side per battle [either it be equalized, or the system only allows people from the same corp to be on one side of the fight]. You could limit this number to 3 so the system doesn’t plop 6 corp members [who qued either alone or in a group] on one side against 6 non-corp individuals.
In conclusion: This seems like a matchmaking problem and a system trying to compensate for a low population rather then a faction problem.
Because you are not the only person who paid for the game.
Because you are not the only person who wasted 4 minutes of his life waiting and hoping for a good match
Because it is a lowlife motherfucking scum bag xxxx move
Because what is only one xxxx game where you show some balls and make your corp mates prove they brought theirs along too
I recently left a 4v4 right at the start when the other three decided to spawn LRFs. Wasting time goes both ways, and I didn’t want to waste mine.
I’ll also disconnect mid-game if it’s too laggy. Same reason.
Feel free to ban.
* sigh *
This NEEDS fixing.
I recently left a 4v4 right at the start when the other three decided to spawn LRFs. I’ll also disconnect mid-game if it’s too laggy. Same reason.
those motives there can be argued for and against. but my comments were specific to those who intentionally disconnect from an otherwise proper matchup simply because he wanted to give his corp squad a free pass.
that’s is not cool.
How is that bannable? Please post that here. I am really stating to hate this game, especially after 320 bucks.
I learned this from watching TUF, DYN, NASA, NOVA and a few other corps, and watching comments during battle. I did not come up with this on my own.I was told about it.
As ZEIK pointed out, refusing to deal damage to the enemy or refusing to actively participate in the spirit of the game is a bannable offense. This is taken quite seriously - as you are throwing the game and causing grief to the other players on your team.
Please do not do this, and make your corporation members aware that this is against the game rules.
NASA does not support this type of so called “strategy” we have signed the inter-corp agreement.
Outside of my role as a GM and posting as a player - I can only echo this comment. WPK have also signed this agreement and cannot condone the actions of any corporation who conducts themselves in the manner highlighted in this topic.
Make no mistake, we firmly agree with you that the sector conquest could be improved and that being matched against your own corporation and/or faction isn’t the right way forward, but as long as the game works this way, we expect our members to shoot each other like they would any other person. In fact, some of the best matches are against our own corporation. (Or NASA, for that matter)
So we strongly stress, as players and a rival corporation as well - please do not throw games on purpose. This ruins the spirit of the game for everyone in the community.
My members are following this post closely. They are honorable people, and are not dumb enough to let me lead them into trouble.
I have already pointed out that I am now under the threat of a ban over this. I am the example unfortunately.
I posted the link for them to find in chat, which is also some how against the rules.
I am one of the most helpful people you will find.
Despite the fact you all may not like how I do it. Its people like me who make changes happen.
I have to courage to say the things others are afraid of. I do not fear to speak the truth.
Then do the game a favour.
Stagger your launch instead of disconnecting
Something like this.
Because you are not the only person who paid for the game.
Because you are not the only person who wasted 4 minutes of his life waiting and hoping for a good match
Because it is a lowlife motherfucking scum bag xxxx move
Because what is only one xxxx game where you show some balls and make your corp mates prove they brought theirs along too
No offense but I wouldn’t expect balls or anything noble from corp players. I dislike playing vs other NASA members in game but I sure show them my skills and we have a nice time facing each other.
I guess its a good thing SM pilots take great pleasure in targeting fellow members on the opposing team lol
@g4borg When you fighting against empire you get points either way. When THE CORP is on both sides one of us is gonna win.
I will try to lose on purpose some times if I am alone and the other side has more corp members on it. Just so we get more points.
If both side have same number of corp members we are going to get point no matter what because one of us is going to win.
I am going to officially excuse all the games where we won even if we had less CORP members on our side. Praise should come from the outside, and I have to say, some of your players had a very good increase in their gameplay in the last couple weeks. Corp definitely got harder.
Losing games on purpose however is as distasteful to me. If I have to play against my own guys, I enjoy to feel their actual strength in battle, and hooray them if they win more points, but I will never give them an easy time. I am a Mercenary after all, not a Sector Guru.
But at the same time if I have empire on my team and win both Empire and Jericho get a point towards the sector goal. This is not good for either of us.
If you have empire on both sides empire gonna get a point no mater what. One teams is going to win. I don’t know how to explain this very well so i hope i got my point across if not, that’s ok.
Same as I said, your point came across.
Please vote my comment up if you find it helpful, Thanks. :good:
Why don’t you add this as sig? *grin*
If am on one side and its just me one corp member plus how ever many others, and the other side has 3 of my corp members, then it is in the best interest of the corp for me to lose.
This is so the other side get points for 3 corp members worth of wins. Not that I want to lose, but look at where we are. I would say I am doing something right.
The only reason I am sharing this strategy is to show why the match making needs to be fixed.
I really don’t want to play like that. Its the only way to balance the system at the moment.
Please vote my comment up if you find it helpful, Thanks. :good:
I have voted on comments I find helpful its what give us points here.
Why would you even do that? What does getting sector do to your corp? Absolutely nothing. Oh I’m sorry it boosts your corp ego :facepalm:
I don’t think your strategy of throwing games to benefit your corpmates is actually a very good one anyway. If there’s you on one side and 3 of your corp on the other, throwing the game will improve the score of your corpmates but will also improve the score of everyone else on the other team, who will be a random mix of factions, and reduce the score of everyone on your team, who are also a random mix of factions. You’re only slightly more likely to be helping your own faction overall than hurting it. In fact once you factor in sacrificing your personal score you may very well be hurting your own faction and corp more than helping it, since your corp squad would probably have performed well anyway, so boosting their points by a bit by sacrificing all of the points you would otherwise have got could easily be a net loss.
Edit: In fact, I think it’s even worse than that. I seem to remember your contribution to sector conquest is based on your performance compared to others on your team, not your performance relative to all players in the game, in which case throwing the match disadvantages you and does nothing at all for your corpmates.
Though having said that, I agree that separating factions would be a good idea, though you don’t address any of the problems that it would involve. I had a go here - [http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/19529-separate-sector-conquest-factions-in-matches/](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/19529-separate-sector-conquest-factions-in-matches/)
Please see the in-game [ToS](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/8916-game-server-code-of-conduct/).
Section IV:
d) refuse to deal damage to the enemy. Shall be punished by blocking the account for 24 hours.
h) refuse to fight against the members of the corporation. Shall be punished by blocking the
account for 24 hours.
The problem with the MM is recognized, but please be patient until it is properly addressed. In the meanwhile, be mindful that you are not breaking rules.
I look at the middle ground. If you want to lose on purpose or no help in the beacons, that’s fine IMO, but at least NEVER disconnect, fight it out, deal damage. but don’t do absolutely nothing.
Remember that match we had 1 V 1? I gave it my all, and I lost!
Something like this.
Because you are not the only person who paid for the game.
Because you are not the only person who wasted 4 minutes of his life waiting and hoping for a good match
Because it is a lowlife motherfucking scum bag xxxx move
Because what is only one xxxx game where you show some balls and make your corp mates prove they brought theirs along too
See, that right there looks bad. If you did not disconnected but fought regardless and lost, then that would have been acceptable.
But that’s not the problem that Im trying to point out. the problem is that sector conquest is broken and we all know that. hell, there is no reason to hold sectors other for pure bragging rights. The only thing that matters is iridium.
And remember, alot of the stuff I say is NOT in anyway representing NASA, all my opinions are my own. Only our CEO and other Officers, when asked, can speak for the corp.
And remember, alot of the stuff I say is NOT in anyway representing NASA, all my opinions are my own. Only our CEO and other Officers, when asked, can speak for the corp.
cookie cutter caveat for a proxy speaker. makes you look even more suspicious hmmmm…
cookie cutter caveat for a proxy speaker. makes you look even more suspicious hmmmm…
Just let me fly in peace…or in conflict. Your choice.
Kine, that disconnect could have well happened also because of the disconnects. Lets not turn this into accusations, rather stick to points why this behavior is dishonorable, after all, he does have a point with his topic, and it is a temptation caused by exactly, what he wants fixed.
I try not to be angry to disconnecters anyway. If they do it on purpose, especially at match starts, they are weasels to me, and probably have never seen a fight turned around unfortunately, otherwise I can’t explain that. I had games where we won 1:64 with a crazy setup, even a game of 10:90 where actually kills mattered, by miraculous random team spirit*. I earned my Juggernaut by scoring one dronekill in an epic loss against the nasa guys, I believe it was an 8v8. This means I did 50% of my teams damage to a drone, that’s how epic of a loss it was. But we cheered all about that.
My only advice is, to group up, use ts, because anger gets nullified in a group, and excitement usually gets multiplied. Also, you can learn a lot more while losing a fight, than winning one easily.
Even if the players you play against are in the same channel, or especially that situation, can be fun, really depends on the choice of your peers.
Never give up, never surrender.
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*) heh. with the lights out, it’s less dangerous…
edit: had this open for hours, didnt press reply, so i am a bit late.
No offense but I wouldn’t expect balls or anything noble from corp players. I dislike playing vs other NASA members in game but I sure show them my skills and we have a nice time facing each other.
Unnecessary comment. Dont paint everyone with the same brush.
How is that bannable? Please post that here. I am really stating to hate this game, especially after 320 bucks.
I learned this from watching TUF, DYN, NASA, NOVA and a few other corps, and watching comments during battle. I did not come up with this on my own.I was told about it.
No member of TUF (that I am aware of) has ever disconnected on purpose to avoid fighting fellow corp members. Doing so will get you the boot.
As for DYN, there were a few who did so. I had no control at that time to do anything. It was still inexcusable.
Then do the game a favour.
Stagger your launch instead of disconnecting
Best solution you can have currently.
