No Jericho Engineering Frigate ;_;
Err, was it really necessary to swap the roles between Katana AE & Katana S?
Some roles are missing from each faction, why is that? Are factions still going to have their bonus to it?
I play all classes and i say a good frigate pilot is unkillable by any means in a equally geared match up against any class in 1v1 even 1vs2.
If you put your ego away (you havent even fly a tier3 frigate yet make a comment about their power ) i might even consider showing you how.
However this isnt the place to argue their efficieny so i ll not reply to any counter argument about it.
Acceptable argument - I admit my ego as well, because I really do love frigates.
(Wow, a respectable answer! The Internet just broke :P)
I do believe that in any tier, they will be just as good as the player. Every tool needs a wielder, after all. But, maybe im wrong, like you said, I don’t have much experience with higher tiers 
I play all classes and i say a good frigate pilot is unkillable by any means in a equally geared match up against any class in 1v1 even 1vs2.
If you put your ego away (you havent even fly a tier3 frigate yet make a comment about their power ) i might even consider showing you how.
However this isnt the place to argue their efficieny so i ll not reply to any counter argument about it.
No, just no.
You suck if you can’t kill a Frigate in a 1v1 be it with another Frigate or a Fighter.
Frigate vs Frigate is equal matchup and the winner is a frigate and this proves nothing.
Frigate vs fighter when both are aware of each other and start the duel at distance it will favor frigate. The winner will be the frigate majority of time. Any class can kill a frigate if they flank it or when frigate is unaware but that’s true for every class vs class. That’s not the point of my argument.
And i made the post before they fixed the typo stating frigates gets ecm in patch notes.
If that was the case my point would be valid and noone would stand a chance against a frigate.
killing a frigate 1v1 , is not the same thing as ganking a frigate from an oblique angle while they are concentrating on something else (guiding a missile, sniping, trying to defend a beacon)
If you think it takes any skill or talent to fly under them and come steaming in slamming it with plasma and then switching to kinetic modifiers and belting through his armour by the time he realises you are there, then you have a lot to learn,
You want to impress me, you kill that frigate that is full energy, hasnt used any active mods yet, is fully kitted out, minimum blue mods, minimum tier 3 ship, and you do it while he is seeing you come at him from 8ks away, not 6ks below his vision and already unleashing your actives and full dps.
pleb.
killing a frigate 1v1 , is not the same thing as ganking a frigate from an oblique angle while they are concentrating on something else (guiding a missile, sniping, trying to defend a beacon)
If you think it takes any skill or talent to fly under them and come steaming in slamming it with plasma and then switching to kinetic modifiers and belting through his armour by the time he realises you are there, then you have a lot to learn,
You want to impress me, you kill that frigate that is full energy, hasnt used any active mods yet, is fully kitted out, minimum blue mods, minimum tier 3 ship, and you do it while he is seeing you come at him from 8ks away, not 6ks below his vision and already unleashing your actives and full dps.
pleb.
exactly my point couldnt have said it better.
Aww… my favourite ship has been taken away from me! My poor Phobos Aura!
edit: We are going to be refunded for ships we can no-longer use right?
Aww… my favourite ship has been taken away from me! My poor Phobos Aura!
edit: We are going to be refunded for ships we can no-longer use right?
correct. you will get the full purchase price of the new tier back, meaning you even get a slight bonus 
yes you will, I am bloody spewing my Deimos 2 no longer has an over drive… I dont want a freaking gunship… I want a command ship that can smash people/fly fast when it needs to… sigh…
I guess I have to Stick with my Covert Ops. They have speed. thats All i need for hit and run tactics
Here’s the spreadsheet for role, and rank changes of all listed ships.
Yellow/Gold background: Premium ship
Green background: DLC ship
Question mark: Role change not listed.
Very helpful Aesis, thanks a lot for the spreadsheet!
Edit: +1 to you good sir
Here’s the spreadsheet for role, and rank changes of all listed ships.
Yellow/Gold background: Premium ship
Green background: DLC ship
Question mark: Role change not listed.
I think I love you.
Loving the changes as well 
The new changes sound great and I can not wait to play them. I am rather disappointed though that Jericho doesn’t get any Gunship roles.
At Aesis: Thanks a lot for the spreadsheet
Yeah the roles I like to play Fed ships don’t have so I need to relevel just to get T4 ecm or command ship sigh.
Why would you change the roles for premium ships? I bought the Nukem becaues I wanted a command fighter, now I can’t mount the modules I actually like to run…
Tormentor type S :
Ship receives rank 12.
Ship keeps the role ‘Guard’.
Ship receives special role module ‘Phase shield’.
Hull strength increased by 133%.
Shield strength increased by 49%.
Max speed reduced by 14%.
Ginger Centaur :
Ship receives the role ‘Long Range’.
Ship receives special role module ‘Disintegrator’.
Hull strength reduced by 8%.
Shield strength reduced by 36%.
lolol
I just started playing this game a few days ago, and suddenly I jump from T1 to T2 because of a patch. I picked the Lynx Mk 2 only because I preferred to stay cloaked even when taking damage, and suddenly I have Overdrive (which totally defeats the purpose of why I even got the fighter to begin with).
But at least my only complaint is that I’m not used to how insanely fast it can get, and how poorly equipped it is.