cross-posting from the 0.9.17 patch discussion thread where it got lost
Antibus, while you’ve been looking at the reward system, might as well do it right. Here are two battles I played this afternoon:
Battle 1:
Session ID: 4811769
Session Server: EU 1 (Netherlands)
Session Time: Thursday, 6. February 2014, 15:28:19 to 15:37:56 (Battle time: 09:07)
Session Type: PVP (Capture the beacons) at Thar. Iridium Strand
Session Size: 12v12
Session Result: Victory (All beacons captured)Total Damage: 1.559.834 - Team: 56,21%
Total Heals: 410.282 - Team: 53,82%
Total Kills: 45 - Team: 60,00%TEAM 1:
PLAYER SHIPS FLOWN K AD AB D Obj DAMAGE ALL % TEAM % MSL MSL% HEALS DT:COL DT:KIN DT:EMP DT:THR EFF EXP CREDITS
2dsxsniper Stiletto AE 3 3 0 0 0 49.117 3,15% 7,19% 8 100% 0 830 2.433 9.560 21.328 153 1.060 83.560
Dgek Anaconda-M,Prometheus X,Wolf-M,Kris AE 1 6 3 4 0 91.080 5,84% 13,34% 17 47% 11.449 4.260 20.675 23.389 41.553 417 6.379 222.052
filepcsaba Diamond Dwarf,Acid Hydra,Prometheus 0 5 0 4 0 48.530 3,11% 7,11% 3 67% 28.334 2.710 32.138 38.299 44.641 74 540 80.647
flindersticks Templar AE,Hawk-M,Silent Fox,Diamond Dwarf 4 2 0 4 0 33.544 2,15% 4,91% 3 67% 0 285 15.046 3.110 33.786 205 1.448 92.636
HoppeR Styx,Prometheus 1 5 0 1 0 30.237 1,94% 4,43% 7 29% 17.018 1.201 15.599 6.958 39.988 275 2.385 169.531
KimTan Katana S,Katana 1 3 5 2 0 38.934 2,50% 5,70% 13 62% 0 2.596 11.530 10.290 15.489 178 2.900 142.498
lordknight Kite,Styx,Cerberus,Katana S 1 8 3 3 0 65.105 4,17% 9,53% 22 27% 99.426 1.125 47.922 8.082 59.888 293 3.316 114.460
LOSNAR Prometheus X 5 5 0 0 0 102.805 6,59% 15,05% 12 67% 9.390 5.081 14.201 8.302 29.498 719 8.398 210.892
Nutter75 Templar AE,Kris AE,Katana AE 0 6 0 3 0 70.750 4,54% 10,36% 25 48% 0 262 25.078 17.164 23.270 179 1.284 98.189
Shale Phobos 2 0 0 1 0 37.821 2,42% 5,54% 10 20% 0 363 0 0 19.010 221 1.474 133.635
spryt Machete S,Templar AE,Stiletto,Alligator-M 0 6 0 3 0 33.020 2,12% 4,83% 19 26% 973 577 10.613 5.748 41.303 106 1.018 66.134
SzellZsoltHUN Anaconda-M,Anaconda 0 6 0 2 1 82.055 5,26% 12,01% 5 20% 22.862 5.385 0 4.094 77.573 608 4.344 134.783TEAM 2:
PLAYER SHIPS FLOWN K AD AB D Obj DAMAGE ALL % TEAM % MSL MSL% HEALS DT:COL DT:KIN DT:EMP DT:THR EFF EXP CREDITS
Callback Prometheus X,Sai,Ricasso 4 7 0 3 1 108.605 6,96% 12,39% 17 65% 3.247 4.000 8.069 12.307 35.323 1.121 24.705 169.696
DanniDrama Dwarf 2,Cerberus 2 2 0 1 0 38.488 2,47% 4,39% 8 25% 1.502 199 2.519 750 15.707 257 5.253 122.166
kicsi Crus S 4 5 0 0 0 68.354 4,38% 7,80% 15 100% 11.824 4.818 21.203 25.655 18.245 409 5.591 107.136
Mardel Cerberus,Desert Eagle,Hawk-M 4 4 0 3 1 104.465 6,70% 11,91% 7 43% 0 840 8.871 17.468 30.736 873 25.570 200.041
Miragrok Styx 1 10 3 0 0 64.933 4,16% 7,41% 6 0% 142.202 682 31.430 22.424 39.746 492 9.053 166.338
Paips Templar,Alligator Mk II,Hydra 0 1 0 2 0 80 0,01% 0,01% 2 0% 25.081 4.792 21.213 2.962 24.721 20 2.502 54.082
Roguetrooperz Sigurdr,Reaper,Swift Mk 3 1 5 0 3 0 44.627 2,86% 5,09% 4 50% 8.185 284 17.405 43.548 23.673 214 8.161 158.865
Snib Ira Deus,Kite 7 11 0 1 1 182.858 11,72% 20,85% 23 104% 11.152 2.571 7.378 23.985 29.240 1.394 13.272 139.973
SW33T3R Katana S 0 0 0 0 0 0 0,00% 0,00% 0 0% 0 388 0 0 0 0 3.000 68.327
TaylorSwift Hawk-M 1 9 0 0 1 128.192 8,22% 14,62% 3 0% 0 2.249 8.142 1.269 22.074 814 19.587 184.614
UraGagarin Neutron,Lynx Mk II,Fox,Hydra 1 6 0 4 0 62.457 4,00% 7,12% 11 64% 9.380 3.106 4.401 19.815 41.488 320 5.039 52.382
weazel80 Katana S 2 12 1 1 1 73.778 4,73% 8,41% 9 78% 8.258 2.524 8.921 18.413 20.652 848 15.033 186.312Battle 2:
Session ID: 4812944
Session Server: EU 2 (Netherlands)
Session Time: Thursday, 6. February 2014, 16:59:49 to 17:09:54 (Battle time: 09:36)
Session Type: PVP (Domination) at Abandoned outpost
Session Size: 9v9
Session Result: Victory (Max score earned)Total Damage: 1.819.345 - Team: 51,44%
Total Heals: 309.858 - Team: 26,47%
Total Kills: 65 - Team: 49,23%TEAM 1:
PLAYER SHIPS FLOWN K AD AB D Obj DAMAGE ALL % TEAM % MSL MSL% HEALS DT:COL DT:KIN DT:EMP DT:THR EFF EXP CREDITS
KSGrisha Katana 5 9 7 3 3 127.601 7,01% 14,44% 11 64% 9.953 2.720 6.436 13.378 59.588 1.988 4.956 82.674
Libertatis Silent Fox 4 5 0 4 4 70.759 3,89% 8,01% 3 67% 15.333 884 15.225 6.219 50.543 1.410 1.765 78.858
marlondegroot Dwarf 2 0 2 0 1 1 3.741 0,21% 0,42% 5 0% 0 254 1.816 125 9.509 337 375 53.621
MasterBlaster Sai 7 10 3 5 3 120.074 6,60% 13,59% 24 67% 7.399 2.064 8.681 14.707 43.124 1.732 19.427 195.282
REPLAY Templar AE,Lynx-M,Hydra 2 9 0 5 0 153.206 8,42% 17,34% 4 50% 0 541 9.896 14.196 54.608 641 1.615 51.361
Rhoard Templar AE 3 14 0 5 0 140.035 7,70% 15,85% 11 64% 0 258 43.181 9.192 95.160 770 2.709 73.544
Runtime Kris 3 11 0 2 4 64.633 3,55% 7,32% 13 77% 0 495 7.823 0 28.532 1.708 3.370 108.279
Setip Templar S,Steel Harpy 2 10 0 5 0 87.419 4,80% 9,90% 19 68% 3.424 2.155 6.889 4.205 144.218 555 1.323 55.830
Vitio Anaconda 7 11 4 2 4 115.932 6,37% 13,12% 6 0% 191.730 6.504 56.183 30.912 98.116 2.501 4.585 104.164TEAM 2:
PLAYER SHIPS FLOWN K AD AB D Obj DAMAGE ALL % TEAM % MSL MSL% HEALS DT:COL DT:KIN DT:EMP DT:THR EFF EXP CREDITS
asmodey09 Katana 0 6 0 5 1 42.150 2,32% 4,50% 3 100% 2.217 1.583 20.865 42.077 21.235 511 3.219 69.748
Bepema Neuron,Sigurdr 3 8 0 1 1 87.573 4,81% 9,36% 5 20% 11.705 113 12.842 3.149 50.225 1.249 8.317 91.302
kvazar1111 Swift-M,Katana,Hydra 3 9 0 6 1 103.055 5,66% 11,01% 7 71% 0 4.340 22.301 4.840 46.213 990 4.879 58.089
Mesala Templar AE,Iron Harpy 1 8 0 2 0 93.566 5,14% 10,00% 3 33% 0 292 18.513 0 22.379 534 3.474 54.832
SaatDerGewalt Crusader 5 8 0 3 3 114.246 6,28% 12,21% 6 67% 6.866 0 50.335 32.393 34.895 1.784 5.939 96.745
Snib Kite 9 4 0 2 5 167.162 9,19% 17,86% 12 83% 0 1.664 3.602 1.756 26.011 3.880 13.674 108.885
StarCrusher Crus S,Anaconda 3 16 3 4 2 129.750 7,13% 13,86% 33 64% 61.231 4.089 56.518 37.234 82.919 1.793 6.808 96.809
tbilisi Diamond Dwarf,Katana AE,Templar AE 2 8 0 4 2 74.765 4,11% 7,99% 20 65% 0 9.401 20.455 8.997 23.480 1.124 4.208 80.612
Terminator112324 Neuron Zealot 6 15 0 6 2 123.677 6,80% 13,21% 9 67% 0 279 54.607 68.803 65.631 1.957 6.858 45.623Compare my rewards in these battles. I earned roughly the same XP in both of them so it’s probably a comparable performance, and I fly rank 9 ships in both. My performance relative to my team is comparable, too, damage % is listed, and I received 31% of my team’s efficiency in the first one, 27% in the second one. However, in the first battle I earned a massive 30% more credits (despite being nearly 3 times less efficient if you go by the individual number).
Also looking at other guys, should all those who were afk/disconnected and contributed nothing really get that much (or anything at all) for it? AFK farming is quite the issue btw, there are a few of those in just about every battle.
Or compare the guy in the Neuron Zealot in my team in the second battle with the guy in the Dwarf 2 in the other team. Compare the credits they got to their performance. I realize some of these guys have a license while others don’t (I do not) but going by the low XP the Dwarf 2 guy received he didn’t have one either (whether someone does or not is unfortunately not logged).
Do the rewards make sense to you? Because personally I think they could use a lot of work.
PS: For completeness’ sake, reward fairness in PVE is not convincing either (this is from last patch):
Session ID: 4806957
Session Server: RU 3
Session Time: Thursday, 6. February 2014, 00:02:18 to 00:14:14 (Battle time: 11:55)
Session Type: PVE mission (Hard) at “Blackwood” Shipyard
Session Result: Victory (Mission complete)PLAYER SHIPS FLOWN K AD AB D Obj DAMAGE ALL % TEAM % MSL MSL% HEALS DT:COL DT:KIN DT:EMP DT:THR EFF EXP CREDITS
cepion Archdragon 30 17 0 0 0 1.116.378 26,79% 26,79% 8 63% 3.137 2.734 10.952 9.695 28.576 690 7.120 310.178
sarikzar T-Rex 18 19 0 0 0 351.945 8,45% 8,45% 45 58% 17.236 225 30.716 12.769 46.232 350 10.997 530.172
Sin61 T-Rex 15 20 54 0 0 822.269 19,73% 19,73% 2 0% 293.477 1.830 42.136 4.003 204.414 791 7.290 329.719
Snib T-Rex Mk II 87 36 0 0 0 1.876.642 45,03% 45,03% 0 0% 77.474 13.869 99.546 1.131 153.809 1.993 7.486 348.189PS2: Nearly forgot an old issue because I hadn’t played in that long: if you self-destruct a ship at the start of the battle and then fly another one you still get synergy for the one that only lived 1 second. I synergized all of my T2 and T3 ships like that back in the day so I shouldn’t complain but it remains a good example of the reward system not working like it should:
The Kite was instantly suicided yet earns 37% as much synergy as the Styx that I actually flew.