28 minutes ago, ORCA1911 said:
I’m lost here, did the structure name got a fix or did we get another problem?
I’m pretty sure they are gonna rename it back to the original come the patch later Monday night or Tuesday morning depending on your time zone. Won’t be long now…
1 hour ago, Phoenix_Shi said:
If I wanted to, I could make up reasons that fit some agenda too, instead I’ve been stating things based on what we can see. Then since as I understand it the Russian forums blew up at the same time, for the same reason, and as it had been using that naming structure for weeks already by that point, it pretty much blows massive holes into that theory of yours.
I didn’t make them yet, but can understand why others did, and see no reason to effectively mock those that had for having done so, which I think you’ve already done before. Each of the rank 8, and 11 destroyers for each faction are also different, with somewhat unique traits, yet use the same sort of materials, when people saw the same build, and naming format for the first R14 destroyer, it was reasonable to expect the others to follow suit, especially when there was no info provided to make them think otherwise. People likely made them over time, when they didn’t plan to make the Sirius, as they felt doing so provided them a greater since of having made progress, over just collecting a pile of raw materials. They may also have not realized until later, that they won’t be able to make it in time, or that it was some kind of timed thing, as most people playing online games tend to pay little, to no attention to news posts, or the forums. There’s various possible reasons, those are just a few.
You know, I’m getting a distinct sense of deja-vu here. You seem to have decided that instead of trying to keep the peace, as is your job, you will instead go after people providing negative feedback. What I’ve been posting has not broken any forum rules, I have been making posts that are on topic, but I’ve been a regular target for you, as has be other people providing negative feedback, while when another user was going after us aggressively, you ignored that person’s conduct, and instead joined in. Meaning you’re picking fights with other forum users, simply because you don’t like it when they provide negative feedback. Do you even understand what your job is on the forums? It’s bad enough when a regular user acts that way, but for someone with the “game master” tag attached, that’s just so much worse, it also reflects badly on the company for having promoted someone like that to such a position. I’ve submitted a report on you for these repeat actions of yours, and should you keep doing as you are, I’ll just drop you on my ignore list as well, for the same reason as the first person.
Both points of view (niri’s and phoenix’s) have partial “truth”. Now i wonder, why keep arguing about this considering devs “fixed” the problem…anyways, problems are often a 2 way road (just like couple relations), where both persons have a degree of guilt: devs did not stated in the proper moment that those structures were only for sirius, players rushed to build structures they would not use for at least 1 month (without any proof of knowing that was what they really needed to craft other destroyers than sirius). Main problem i see in these discussions is that some persons always go for a single arguing side, and since things arent black and white, persons like niri (or me) provide contrast. Now about ignoring…thats a terrible measure since you prevent yourself from arguing back, while others will see it as a lost “battle”.
2 hours ago, Phoenix_Shi said:
If I wanted to, I could make up reasons that fit some agenda too, instead I’ve been stating things based on what we can see. Then since as I understand it the Russian forums blew up at the same time, for the same reason, and as it had been using that naming structure for weeks already by that point, it pretty much blows massive holes into that theory of yours.
IMO :
They did not planed the “Sirius structure” before a week ago. To begin with, it was supposed to be an universal r14 structure.
But once the Sirius deadline approached, they realized that many players can keep their resources from the sirius event to craft Tyrant/Empire, which they don’t want for obvious reasons. Players would be able to instantly craft Tyrant, Sirius event would be used to craft something that is not Sirius, and in the end players won’t need to do the Tyrant event to get one.
So they wanted to introduce some kind of limiter to force players to actually DO the Tyrant event. Then they thought of introducing an unique resource that only Tyrant event gives, so Jericho had to have his own structure, and then was born “Sirius stabilized structure”.
They knew players were waiting for Tyrant and that some already used their electrum into stabilized structures. But for them, it wasn’t a problem.
Why you ask ? Money ? No.
Because, as Cinnamon said many times : Tyrant event gives enough materials to craft it without the need to pay. So what’s the problem if you can’t use Sirius materials when Tyrant event give you enough ?
But then players still yelled. So they fixed it.
As a dev in a big company myself, I’m pretty sure it’s something similar to this that happened. Not because they were super greedy over money or something. They’re not stupid. They know that unhappy players is less money.
No need to kick a dead dog. I didn’t build them but some did in all the excitement. End of discussion…
6 hours ago, Papitas said:
Both points of view (niri’s and phoenix’s) have partial “truth”. Now i wonder, why keep arguing about this considering devs “fixed” the problem…anyways, problems are often a 2 way road (just like couple relations), where both persons have a degree of guilt: devs did not stated in the proper moment that those structures were only for sirius, players rushed to build structures they would not use for at least 1 month (without any proof of knowing that was what they really needed to craft other destroyers than sirius). Main problem i see in these discussions is that some persons always go for a single arguing side, and since things arent black and white, persons like niri (or me) provide contrast. Now about ignoring…thats a terrible measure since you prevent yourself from arguing back, while others will see it as a lost “battle”.
Papitas, you’ve been playing this game like others (like me) for a long time,
we both know that a game company must do cash $$$ …
Tell me, have you ever noticed that each time they came with a new idea, it’s mainly focused on grabbing money to please their investors ?
Tell me, have you ever noticed that each patch they try to push the boundaries a bit further to see if us “players/customers” will take that gross moneygrab attempt without being upset ?
Tell me, have you ever felt that they don’t see us as players who enjoy their product, but just people who can give money ?
20 minutes ago, Mormaz said:
Papitas, you’ve been playing this game like others (like me) for a long time,
we both know that a game company must do cash $$$ …
Tell me, have you ever noticed that each time they came with a new idea, it’s mainly focused on grabbing money to please their investors ?
Tell me, have you ever noticed that each patch they try to push the boundaries a bit further to see if us “players/customers” will take that gross moneygrab attempt without being upset ?
Tell me, have you ever felt that they don’t see us as players who enjoy their product, but just people who can give money ?
Wow that’s a really pessimistic point of view.
Just one example because I don’t want to push things further then this :
Ever heard of the fact that they modified some DLC/premium ships to make them available for free?
Wow such money grab.
I don’t feel like they don’t care about us.
But it’s not because they care about us that they’ll do economically unbalanced things just to please players.
Rofl copy paste
yes yes, both sides have their points and the world isn’t black and white. For one I’m happy they changed it with the stuctures, because i was one of the dopes to build them in advance, even if I don’t want the Sirius.
I see no problem in having different structures for every destroyer, if this would have been communicated clearly at the beginning. The players were rightfully asuming that the stabilized structures would be used for all r14 destroyers. Why, because it’s that way with all other destroyers. Then patching up the name of the structure a couple days before race end and clarifying that those will only be for Sirius really rubbed alot of players in the wrong way.
Sure, it may have only been a database problem, but the main problem has been: communication. None of this would have happened, if it was communicated more clearly with players.
37 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:
Wow that’s a really pessimistic point of view.
Just one example because I don’t want to push things further then this :
Ever heard of the fact that they modified some DLC/premium ships to make them available for free?
Wow such money grab.
Well, I’m into cynicism. Of course I’ll have have that kind of point of view. Main advantage is that I’m not naïve, and won’t be crushed by depressing things and failures.
You really think it’s free ?
Well now that’s naïve. No offense there, but this move from them as been made based on market studies and customer reaction facing frustration.
Putting something “free” if you spent ridiculous amount of time but obtainable immediately or faster behind a paywall is much more lucrative than just putting it for sale immediately.
Anyway, those questions were for Papitas.
I still can understand your point of view, and that’s something I could have shared in the past.
But that was the past.
(And that’s called customer trust. They lost mine)
7 hours ago, Papitas said:
Both points of view (niri’s and phoenix’s) have partial “truth”. Now i wonder, why keep arguing about this considering devs “fixed” the problem…anyways, problems are often a 2 way road (just like couple relations), where both persons have a degree of guilt: devs did not stated in the proper moment that those structures were only for sirius, players rushed to build structures they would not use for at least 1 month (without any proof of knowing that was what they really needed to craft other destroyers than sirius). Main problem i see in these discussions is that some persons always go for a single arguing side, and since things arent black and white, persons like niri (or me) provide contrast. Now about ignoring…thats a terrible measure since you prevent yourself from arguing back, while others will see it as a lost “battle”.
And that’s what I was trying to say - from what I know it doesn’t look like deliberate action, other players may not have that insight and for them situation was looking differently. There were some issues with recognizing the outcome of some changes, but in the end they were resolved in time.
8 hours ago, Phoenix_Shi said:
If I wanted to, I could make up reasons that fit some agenda too, instead I’ve been stating things based on what we can see. Then since as I understand it the Russian forums blew up at the same time, for the same reason, and as it had been using that naming structure for weeks already by that point, it pretty much blows massive holes into that theory of yours.
I didn’t make them yet, but can understand why others did, and see no reason to effectively mock those that had for having done so, which I think you’ve already done before. Each of the rank 8, and 11 destroyers for each faction are also different, with somewhat unique traits, yet use the same sort of materials, when people saw the same build, and naming format for the first R14 destroyer, it was reasonable to expect the others to follow suit, especially when there was no info provided to make them think otherwise. People likely made them over time, when they didn’t plan to make the Sirius, as they felt doing so provided them a greater since of having made progress, over just collecting a pile of raw materials. They may also have not realized until later, that they won’t be able to make it in time, or that it was some kind of timed thing, as most people playing online games tend to pay little, to no attention to news posts, or the forums. There’s various possible reasons, those are just a few.
You know, I’m getting a distinct sense of deja-vu here. You seem to have decided that instead of trying to keep the peace, as is your job, you will instead go after people providing negative feedback. What I’ve been posting has not broken any forum rules, I have been making posts that are on topic, but I’ve been a regular target for you, as has be other people providing negative feedback, while when another user was going after us aggressively, you ignored that person’s conduct, and instead joined in. Meaning you’re picking fights with other forum users, simply because you don’t like it when they provide negative feedback. Do you even understand what your job is on the forums? It’s bad enough when a regular user acts that way, but for someone with the “game master” tag attached, that’s just so much worse, it also reflects badly on the company for having promoted someone like that to such a position. I’ve submitted a report on you for these repeat actions of yours, and should you keep doing as you are, I’ll just drop you on my ignore list as well, for the same reason as the first person.
We are coming down to personal attacks now? Line about " I still don’t get it why people built those structures if they didn’t intend to build destroyer right now. " was just an old paste I didn’t notice in the reply window. I had no intend to bring this up again. Apologies.
I think that you are right about that I am not fulfilling the description of typical GM. Coming to your corp team speak server at 2AM instead of going to sleep and discussing different suggestions that I then passed to the dev team? Yeah, it wasn’t in the job description. Or maybe Skype’ing Cinnamon Fake on Friday well outside of the office hours to help resolve the issue with destroyer structures? Yep - that wasn’t in the job description as well. Brainstorming with other people from staff of how to possible solve this that will be the best solution for players instead of having a dinner with my family? Naah, wasn’t in the job description either. Also as a GM and not Forum Moderator - I cannot do much about people misconducting here. I can send a suggestion to the Forum Moderator or PM forum user - but that’s what you can do as well. My job here is to help people and explain situations that are not fully clear. I am not “picking fights” - sometimes I like to post different point of view, when other players are going too far in one direction, which has not much common with the actual situation based on what I know. I do it on thread and post basis, I am not biased against anyone. Even you got some upvotes from me when you posted something I agree with. I am not and never be a “Yes-man”. Same goes with negative feedback - it’s a forum. A place where you can express what you think, unless it violates forum rules. But if someone says something that I don’t agree with, I think I can express that in my post?
2 minutes ago, X_Xharis said:
I see no problem in having different structures for every destroyer, if this would have been communicated clearly at the beginning. The players were rightfully asuming that the stabilized structures would be used for all r14 destroyers. Why, because it’s that way with all other destroyers. Then patching up the name of the structure a couple days before race end and clarifying that those will only be for Sirius really rubbed alot of players in the wrong way.
Sure, it may have only been a database problem, but the mane problem has been: communication. None of this would have happened, if it was communicated more clearly with players.
I think both sides will learn a valuable lesson from this experience.
I’m a player (and a vet) too. I don’t see why my opinion have less (or more) value then anybody else.
Doesn’t change the fact that they changed something you could only aquire with money, to add a free option.
If you want to buy the Phoenix/Reaper , you can still buy the corresponding DLC for the same price. It’s even currently in 50% promo. Price isn’t increased .
So it’s not profitable to them because the only thing it does is less sales, nothing more.
But, that make players happy, because they don’t feels “p2w”.
Some games don’t even bother about that.
14 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:
I’m a player (and a vet) too. I don’t see why my opinion have less (or more) value then anybody else.
*sigh*
…
anyway, back on topic…
Communication… yes, yes… not the first time they do it. Cinnamon was hired for that, but still they don’t xxxx communicate with him it seems…
Ooor they do, but then again, lets go down the cynical road:
Gaijin/Investors & Co. sudenly saying
“Hey great idea, lets try to generate more money by adding a new components for you Dest… whatever event for each new one, and lets do it right now !”
TarGem: “But the event is almost done and the players must have already built the par…”
Gaijin/Investors & Co. interrupting: “Bla Bla bla booooooriiiiing, We don’t care, just do it, we will see what happens, and if it passes, profit.”
Because yes, there’s someone or some group of people taking the decision behind all this crap. Stop being laziness intellectual sheep.
Something is wrong for years now, and there are still people praising them. We are too forgiving, and they use it.
I’m at ~500 electrum, far away from the 720 needed. Mission Sirius: Huge failure.
Did all missions every day and still lacking over 200 show that you can’t get it by the event.
Nice trollmove.
10 minutes ago, Lord_Xenon said:
I’m at ~500 electrum, far away from the 720 needed. Mission Sirius: Huge failure.
Did all missions every day and still lacking over 200 show that you can’t get it by the event.
Nice trollmove.
“But look, it was free ! I don’t know many company giving free things. But don’t worry, you can still get it with our random crates. We even had a discount on them, how nice from us !”
15 minutes ago, Mormaz said:
“But look, it was free ! I don’t know many company giving free things. But don’t worry, you can still get it with our random crates. We even had a discount on them, how nice from us !”
I thought you frog guys are organised. If you played some pve missions for the loot chances you can get 10 more electrum ores for cca 45-60 minutes of play, even more if you want to grind for more so with a casual one hour of play on each day you would hit 800 number in ores, have enough to craft the ship and still some left for tyrant.
I started last week to finish the construction, had some gs to spare to buy myself some premium license for 3 days and on each pve loot search i got one to 2 ores so premium users had it easy if they wanted to. Luckily the structures issue was fixed somehow so there’s not much other problems until the update hits.
3 minutes ago, ORCA1911 said:
I thought you frog guys are organised. If you played some pve missions for the loot chances you can get 10 more electrum ores for cca 45-60 minutes of play, even more if you want to grind for more so with a casual one hour of play on each day you would hit 800 number in ores, have enough to craft the ship and still some left for tyrant.
I started last week to finish the construction, had some gs to spare to buy myself some premium license for 3 days and on each pve loot search i got one to 2 ores so premium users had it easy if they wanted to. Luckily the structures issue was fixed somehow so there’s not much other problems until the update hits.
Firstly, it has nothng to do with my community
Secondly, you just said yourself you used spared gold to activate premium to get more of them…
Are you trolling me ?
Yeah, for whole 3 days because i haven’t used the license from back then when it was awarded to you for passing ranks. Just saying it was possible with some effort.
1 hour ago, Lord_Xenon said:
I’m at ~500 electrum, far away from the 720 needed. Mission Sirius: Huge failure.
Did all missions every day and still lacking over 200 show that you can’t get it by the event.
Nice trollmove.
That’s your fail then.
Do you need a screenshot that prove you can get it for free , because I looted enriched electrum in PvP ?
26 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:
That’s your fail then.
Do you need a screenshot that prove you can get it for free , because I looted enriched electrum in PvP ?
Wait,I have never got any enriched electrum from loot drops,I played PvE,Specops,Co-op and a bit of PvP,yet I have never gotten any enriched electrum so far,am I doing something wrong?
8 minutes ago, xXThunderFlameXx said:
Wait,I have never got any enriched electrum from loot drops,I played PvE,Specops,Co-op and a bit of PvP,yet I have never gotten any enriched electrum so far,am I doing something wrong?
No.
The explanation is simple, loot is random, some players will reach their Sirius goal and some players will not.
Nothing more to it.