no thanks.
Yes but you shall not be able to unlock your T5 Jericho ships by spending free synergy from your T1 Prem Empire ship
And why not? Premium ships already have reward modifiers that correspond to their rank. Which means it would take me an incredibly long amount of time to farm the synergy required to hit T5 on a T1 premium ship vs. a T3 premium ship.
As someone else already pointed out, requiring players to pay GS to convert synergy from a premium ship is double-farming the paying players. There is no incentive to buy premium ships other than their “no-repair” bonus. They don’t help you rank up, they don’t have any special features, and you can’t even paint them different colors.
At the very least, they need this free synergy bonus to make them worthwhile again. And the amount earned would scale with reward bonus level, encouraging players not to grind all the way on a T1 premium ship. But if they wanted to give it a go and pull out their hair in the process, they could.
Feedback will be forwarded to the devs.
thank you
As someone else already pointed out, requiring players to pay GS to convert synergy from a premium ship is double-farming the paying players. There is no incentive to buy premium ships other than their “no-repair” bonus. They don’t help you rank up, they don’t have any special features, and you can’t even paint them different colors.
Another reason for bying could be the possibility to get higher ranked ship earlier. Ex., I bought Scimitair (ex-T.O.R) only for doing PVE T4 (to earn more money). But I’m still far from regular T4 ships.
To sum this up :
With t1 premium you should be able to transfer 100% of synergy to all T1 non-premium ships, but not for T2.
With T2 one hou should be able to transfer 100% to T1 and T2, but not 3. Etc.
If not 100% something like 75-80. Because I haven’t flied T2 for months (ever since 0.8.0) and I do not want to be forced to fly swift then 4 more ships until I get to Kite for example.
systhéme the synergy is demotivating for players who used hitherto premium vessels, it must leave a 0 to improve their vessels and unlock the implants last levels …
premium usseless vessel are being given, that synergy is a paid unlock, why buy vessels n brings the final [bonus](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/20628-star-conflict-obt-v-090-discussion/page-50# “Click to Continue > by Text-Enhance”) has no free hand not pay the credit repair …
personally, I would not pay gold to unlock the synergy, while I have already buy my gold vessels.
In War Thunder, which is other game from Gaijin, and also in World of Tanks, there’s no such thing like whole free exp from premium planes or tanks. And i don’t agree with OP, cause this game would turn into F2P. More creds cause of no repair costs and in addition all free exp ? I can see lots of Aces in WoT, who plays t8 premiums not having any experience nor skill. You want the same here ? Whole bunch of Aces with t4’s and t5’s grinded with premiums ? Maybe premiums should gain even more cedits, but not free exp.
In War Thunder, which is other game from Gaijin, and also in World of Tanks, there’s no such thing like whole free exp from premium planes or tanks. And i don’t agree with OP, cause this game would turn into F2P. More creds cause of no repair costs and in addition all free exp ? I can see lots of Aces in WoT, who plays t8 premiums not having any experience nor skill. You want the same here ? Whole bunch of Aces with t4’s and t5’s grinded with premiums ? Maybe premiums should gain even more cedits, but not free exp.
You are missing the point of this entire thread aren’t you?
Right now premiums are not worth it because they do not help progression! In fact they stop you from progressing unless you pay more $$$. So why pay $$$ for a premium ship AND pay $$$ for synergy transfer? It is just a rip off and a $$$ grab if anything.
Free synergy is a fair reward for buying a premium ship I’d say.
So why pay $$$ for a premium ship AND pay $$$ for synergy transfer? It is just a rip off and a $$$ grab if anything.
Totally agree.
50% bonus on a free synergy instead of 10% and I only *start* to think about premium ships.
Yes, but rep system was better.
Alright, time to end this meaningless dicussion. An excerpt from the feedback post I’m writing:
Premium ships. Worth it? Yay? Nay? … As it stands… Nay.
It’s like a kite that you’re flying, happy as can be, until you run too close to that high voltage line, it intertwines itself with the lines high above and you want to touch the line and tug it to see if you can get it lose but you know that, if you do, you’ll get shocked so hard you’ll be knocked to f***ing yesteryear. “But I want my kite!” “Ok, so here’s what you’ll do. You’re going to tug that line because I say it’s ok to tug it. Ok. Are you tugging it? Good. Now keep tugging because you won’t get the kite back for a very long time.” “What if I don’t want to?” “It’s much more gratifying because you still get to see it flopping around and you see sparks everywhere!!” “… F***ING SOLD!!”
This is the current train of thought with Premium ships. You spend the GS on the ship and you spend a LOT more to transfer the Synergy out of them. Is it worth it? No. Because Premium ships are no longer tied with the current “Synergy Levelling Conspiracy” there is no gratification in flying them except more GS expenditures. And no one likes to spend them on such frivolous things. We’d much rather be spending it on bright pink neon ships and flower cannons. … Well, I might want to, I don’t know about the rest of the weirdos that play the game.
How to fix it: 50-60% Free Synergy gain. Increase cost of transferable Synergy to 80-100 pts/GS. That’ll keep the free pilots happy for all eternity and those that wasted money on Premium ships happy until they find the next thing to b**** about.
I am finding it harder and harder to log back into Star Conflict. All sense of progression is gone from the game.
I honestly miss the days where buying a Rank 10 ship cost 20+ million including gear. Yes it took ages, but I could see my cash and faction reputation creep up mission by mission, match by match, and I knew whatever I did I was working toward a goal. Fly my Rank 9 ships in a PvP? Cash goes up, reputation goes up, I’m one match closer to Tier 4. Arse about with friends in a T1 PvE? Cash goes up, reputation goes up, I’m a little closer to Tier 4.
Now… now I have to fly ships I don’t want to fly, to get ships I might want but probably won’t want to fly, then fly those to get ships I do want. It’s not fun, and I know F2P tries to convince us to pay to bypass inconvenience, but this is not inconvenience - this us a game that has been redesigned from the ground up to say “xxxx you!” to the player base.
When Star Conflict was fun - and I felt that most of the time it was fun even during the dark days of 0.8 - that fun encouraged spending. I was hooked and wanted more, but I’d have to fly a lot to get the cash and experience. Throw a little real money at the problem and I got to keep flying the ships I enjoyed flying, but my rewards shot up so I got my new stuff sooner.
That’s gone now. Now I see ships in my hangar that are blocking access to ships I want and I resent them. I resent how xxxx they are, and I resent the hours and hours and hours of not-having-fun I will have to put up with even when using a licence before I can get a ship I will be able to have fun with.
Devs, you fucked up royally.
I am finding it harder and harder to log back into Star Conflict. All sense of progression is gone from the game.
I honestly miss the days where buying a Rank 10 ship cost 20+ million including gear. Yes it took ages, but I could see my cash and faction reputation creep up mission by mission, match by match, and I knew whatever I did I was working toward a goal. Fly my Rank 9 ships in a PvP? Cash goes up, reputation goes up, I’m one match closer to Tier 4. Arse about with friends in a T1 PvE? Cash goes up, reputation goes up, I’m a little closer to Tier 4.
Now… now I have to fly ships I don’t want to fly, to get ships I might want but probably won’t want to fly, then fly those to get ships I do want. It’s not fun, and I know F2P tries to convince us to pay to bypass inconvenience, but this is not inconvenience - this us a game that has been redesigned from the ground up to say “xxxx you!” to the player base.
When Star Conflict was fun - and I felt that most of the time it was fun even during the dark days of 0.8 - that fun encouraged spending. I was hooked and wanted more, but I’d have to fly a lot to get the cash and experience. Throw a little real money at the problem and I got to keep flying the ships I enjoyed flying, but my rewards shot up so I got my new stuff sooner.
That’s gone now. Now I see ships in my hangar that are blocking access to ships I want and I resent them. I resent how xxxx they are, and I resent the hours and hours and hours of not-having-fun I will have to put up with even when using a licence before I can get a ship I will be able to have fun with.
Devs, you fucked up royally.
Can’t argue with this. I haven’t logged in for a couple days now. To be fair I’m playing another game I just bought for a bit. (FTL) I don’t think I would mind how grindy and this new synergy system was if the gameplay wasn’t so… lacking. We just don’t have enough options to customize our ships anymore. My engi build? The same exact thing every other engi out there has. Theres just not enough flavor.
I want to try out another class… but that means going down to T1…
/Agree
You are missing the point of this entire thread aren’t you?
Right now premiums are not worth it because they do not help progression! In fact they stop you from progressing unless you pay more $$$. So why pay $$$ for a premium ship AND pay $$$ for synergy transfer? It is just a rip off and a $$$ grab if anything.
Free synergy is a fair reward for buying a premium ship I’d say.
Oh, i see the point of this thread - you paid for premium ship, you want all for free. IMO ability to gain more credits is enough, cause credits is all what is needed atm. And i just tried to show you other games with premium items. I can agree that the way to get some ships is ridiculous (i.e. r9 emp engi) and should be fixed, but i just don’t agree with making this game F2P.
Oh, i see the point of this thread - you paid for premium ship, you want all for free. IMO ability to gain more credits is enough, cause credits is all what is needed atm. And i just tried to show you other games with premium items. I can agree that the way to get some ships is ridiculous (i.e. r9 emp engi) and should be fixed, but i just don’t agree with making this game F2P.
Kine hit the nail on the head…
This game IS F2P, with as little P2W as possible(Right now it certainly exists in a form, even though they try not to introduce P2W)
I don’t see some hesitation here for allowing Premium Ships to transfer Synergy for free. These ships have already been paid for with Gold. There should be no other associated Gold cost to the ship. Consider it “paid in full”. I don’t understand how that concept is not fair or hard to grasp. That should be how we conceive Premium Ships and their utility. Why wouldn’t I just buy the highest Gold Standard package versus the highest DLC package since the only thing that really matters at the end of the day is Gold?
I miss the old days when you could play 1 hour a day and get somewhere.
Now I was grinding synergy level 8>9 on a certain ship and guess what ? I am getting 1->8K syn per match. No idea how is it calculated. Sometimes with 2000+ points I get 1K sometimes 8 or more.
Calculating that it takes 330K I need about 100 games with that ship. With premium bonuses and licenses let’s say 60.
I am not 13yo with free summer having nothing to do and can play 10-14 hours a day, nor having no real life things that need time taking care.
So For people like me it will take about 10 DAYS (or a week with licenses) counting that you do 6 matches per hour just to take a single ship from 8 to 9.
I saw somewhere along the branches it is not required to max it out thou, but getting from 1->7 it takes about 300-400K syn as well.
So if a person wants to take entirely new tree (for example me getting Empire sniper having only “Hercules” default ship I have to spend 7-10 days per ship for about 7 ships until I get to T3.
Reducing this to 13yo game hours = still about 2 days per ship (with license).
This is only synergy wise. The credit prices are something that we better not talk about here.