in 340 battles I’ve only had this situation once.
And now everything is clear. Thanks.
I played 340 battle and can fight equally with T4 and have most of my ships elites. How do you explain that ? I don’t have any problems fighting in that tier. My friends have, and since I don’t play alone I’m defending them.
Now only people with 5000 battles can play T5 ? that would be stupid.
1)I do agree it mostly boils down to missile speed and turning rate. But it still needs to be fired at a certain moment and certain angle. It doesn’t always happen, if it does the ennemy still can :
-run behind cover
-disapear (cloak and stealth)
-launch flares
-go to the nearest guard and pray
I don’t even count when it’s an intercepter who is able to shake it off. It still needs skill to hit with a missile.
free refills, when you’re running after credits, you use them with caution. Of couse that doesn’t apply to you.
2)Yep even module do require skill to be used efficiently (placing yourself correctly, expecting teammates to understand what you’re thinking etc…)
3)yep and I’m pretty sure I can fight equally with the people saying they’re average at best here.
You’re all saying the game isn’t elitist but now I said my battle count my voice doesn’t count… Do you realise how stupid is it ? Your system isn’t democratic at all, it’s only about the few vets…
You’re all saying the game isn’t elitist but now I said my battle count my voice doesn’t count… Do you realise how stupid is it ? Your system isn’t democratic at all, it’s only about the few vets…
Perhaps that’s aimed to someone else, I’ve yet to reach the 1000 battles (atm almost 900), and when I entered T3 for the first time (250 battles or so) I were cannon fodder, so I went back to T2 for some hundreds battles, to prepare myself better and now I fare pretty well in T3. Would you be shamed if you had to do it? Why? Who are you?
By the way, with your mentality, that you want to play with all the T5 without even playing consistenly the game, then I’ll go tomorrow to Medicine School to ask for a a Title, I mean, I want it, now, as the same as those that are going everyday and studying for hours an hours, years and years… Can you see how wrong you are? What’s the part about PROGRESSION that you don’t or can’t understand? What’s the part of this game NEVER being produced/announced as a casual one that you can’t get inside your head? Please, if you have the link to where the developers said so, post it, I want to know how in hell you thought this was “casual”.
There is one thing no one on this forum read in my posts. Why do you already link the tier with skill ? In almost no MMO game they ever did that. in battlefield/Cod/LoL/WoW/Guild wars (I can count others), you can access the latest equipment by playing time, not skill, and of course you couldn’t battle the best of the best just with the gear that’s normal but you can use the whatever gear you want for your battles.
For you it’s basic to say T5 IS the skill. No T5 is a tier, not a skill rating. It’s like saying the good tools make the good worker.
It’s like saying in bf/Cod “no you can’t use that rifle because your skill is too low”. “Can you see how wrong you are?”
if you have the link to where the developers said so, post it
Want a link to the latests patch notes ? They didn’t say it but they’re heading that way.
PS : No one still could answer my question “When I’ll have maxed all my T4 ships. I don’t have the skill to go in T5. I don’t want to be farmed for all my games. so I stop playing ?”.
You think with 340 battles you are entitled to fly in T4. I have around 1900 battles and I know for a fact my skills are nowhere close to the pilots like JP, or Mustacho, or Astraal, or any of the other “famous” T4 / T5 pilots. Do you hear me complaining? No. Instead, I am doing my best to use PvE and T3 to mitigate tech difference. I’m trying to get acces to T4 in all factions because I don’t know what I’ll want to fly. I am going into the Tier assuming the pilots are better, the fights are tougher and the demands on me are higher.
You, Griffon, are going in expecting no increase in challenge, then crying foul when there is one.
Also, I continued to fly T2 long after I maxed my ships because IT WAS FUN TO FLY THEM! If you don’t find it fun to fly your ships, get new ones. If none of your ships are fun, leave. Simple as that.
Perhaps that’s aimed to someone else, I’ve yet to reach the 1000 battles (atm almost 900), and when I entered T3 for the first time (250 battles or so) I were cannon fodder, so I went back to T2 for some hundreds battles, to prepare myself better and now I fare pretty well in T3. Would you be shamed if you had to do it? Why? Who are you?
By the way, with your mentality, that you want to play with all the T5 without even playing consistenly the game, then I’ll go tomorrow to Medicine School to ask for a a Title, I mean, I want it, now, as the same as those that are going everyday and studying for hours an hours, years and years… Can you see how wrong you are? What’s the part about PROGRESSION that you don’t or can’t understand? What’s the part of this game NEVER being produced/announced as a casual one that you can’t get inside your head? Please, if you have the link to where the developers said so, post it, I want to know how in hell you thought this was “casual”.
I entered T3 with 200 battles. So far I’m going fine. Dunno what you guys are talking about. T3 is just T2 with an extra module.
AGAIN BACK ON TOPIC.
Stop derailing the thread with BALANCE ISSUES.
We need to focus BACK on Match Making and potentially making the Fixed tiers work!
People dont realise how fun it was when it was fixed. Im talking about the before the steam release.
Another problem that we face is the poor way SR is taken. If it was a better understanding of actual skill, then we could have a valuable number to work with the MM system to make the most balanced games. But currently it does not help us in anyway.
I was in a 4 minute LONG dogfight in my T5 Inty in a 3 v 3 with 2 bots on each side. And our SR did not do ANY justice on our skills. he was a 1101 SR and I was 1250 something SR. He flown better then me in some instances. But you were MISLEAD by the SR.
You think with 340 battles you are entitled to fly in T4. I have around 1900 battles and I know for a fact my skills are nowhere close to the pilots like JP, or Mustacho, or Astraal, or any of the other “famous” T4 / T5 pilots. Do you hear me complaining? No. Instead, I am doing my best to use PvE and T3 to mitigate tech difference. I’m trying to get acces to T4 in all factions because I don’t know what I’ll want to fly. I am going into the Tier assuming the pilots are better, the fights are tougher and the demands on me are higher.
Pls just learn to read, everyone of you takes tier as skill. if tiers were skill they’d be called Skill1 to Skill5. I agree to be classed in low/medium skill in any tier, but let me play all the ships if I took the time to make it to them.
Also, I continued to fly T2 long after I maxed my ships because IT WAS FUN TO FLY THEM! If you don’t find it fun to fly your ships, get new ones. If none of your ships are fun, leave. Simple as that.
So low skill people will leave faster than high skill people… and create an elitist community in the end. You can’t show a progress tree and say “you see that ship over there ? You’ll never be able to fly it”.
But back on topic.
SR is sure not complete, but it’s really hard to find a good rating to how to balance matches.
Do you think doing the objectives should influence SR ?
Or maybe calculate SR by seeing the difference between your SR and the guy you kill SR ? (maybe already done that way, I don’t know)
Sure you can show people things they’ll never have! I can go onto PSN and see Trophies I’ll never earn because it requires me to be in the top 1% of a game’s playerbase, and I couldn’t even hit the top 10%.
Despite what the entitled gaming generation believes, you are not entitled to the entire content of a game. You are entitled to TRY to access the entire content. You are NOT entitled to succeed.
Your argument is akin to saying “I want to cycle in the Tour de France, but you have to run a version only with casual riders so we can take part”, or “I want to be able to drive an F1 car in a F1 race, but not against professional drivers.”
Your demands are unreasonable.
Stop trying to compare with reality. If game were reality, a lot less of people would play them. SC is a GAME, something people play to change from their reality.
And we’re both taking example that are correct from where they come from. It won’t get us anywhere. I take gaming example “like SC” you take real example which are different than SC.
to re-use you cycling example it’s not I want to cycle tour de france. it’s “I want to have the choice to use EVERY bike I can afford in whatever situation I want, to be cycling with my friend or a low competition”, see the difference ? we don’t want to do impossible thing.
Okay, let’s give you another example then.
Let us suppose I win the lottery and decide to buy a car. Do I have the right to buy any car ever made? Do I have the right to buy an F1 car and use it on open roads? No. I’m pretty sure that would violate various road rules. It certainly wouldn’t be able to handle speed bumps and other common road hazards.
Again, the existence of something within a game does not, by default, entitle you to its use. You dismiss the “offline” examples, but they exist in online games as well. Runescape, for example. In order to own the best gear you need to train to a very high level, fight a very high level boss, and get lucky on the random loot drops. Alternatively, you need a HUGE amount of in-game credits. From a practical perspective, most Runescape players will never be able to access end-game content. They will never own Vitus Armour, or a Completionist Cape, or whatever.
So, care to explain how Jagex justify the existence of such items? Because our way of thinking - division by skill - allows for that. My character has a cape that symbolises the fact I have beaten every Quest in the game, and every time a new Quest comes out I lose the right to wear the cape and have to re-earn it. The “skill” requirement denies that cape from other players, and the difficulty of achieving that skill goes up on a monthly basis. I have no problem with this, and nor do the overwhelming majority of Runescape players. In fact, if Jagex listened to people like you and allowed people to use the Quest Cape without beating all the Quests there would be a huge outcry.
So, again, how do you justify your model of thinking again?
We know Offline games use this model, and the majority accept it happily.
We know Online games use this model, and the majority accept it happily.
We want Star Conflict to use this model, yet you insist it would destroy the game.
Present evidence. And no, nothing you have presented thus far answers this point.
I played 340 battle and can fight equally with T4 and have most of my ships elites. How do you explain that ? I don’t have any problems fighting in that tier. My friends have, and since I don’t play alone I’m defending them.
Now only people with 5000 battles can play T5 ? that would be stupid.
1)I do agree it mostly boils down to missile speed and turning rate. But it still needs to be fired at a certain moment and certain angle. It doesn’t always happen, if it does the ennemy still can :
-run behind cover
-disapear (cloak and stealth)
-launch flares
-go to the nearest guard and pray
I don’t even count when it’s an intercepter who is able to shake it off. It still needs skill to hit with a missile.
free refills, when you’re running after credits, you use them with caution. Of couse that doesn’t apply to you.
2)Yep even module do require skill to be used efficiently (placing yourself correctly, expecting teammates to understand what you’re thinking etc…)
3)yep and I’m pretty sure I can fight equally with the people saying they’re average at best here.
You’re all saying the game isn’t elitist but now I said my battle count my voice doesn’t count… Do you realise how stupid is it ? Your system isn’t democratic at all, it’s only about the few vets…
No. You really can’t. What you’ve been flying against are T4 scrubs. You face any of the “game’s elite” and you will be THOROUGHLY scraped across the floor and effectively farmed.
The idea behind "you need x battles to play X Tier is VERY logic and very sound, considering the amount of witless scrubs that manage to crawl their sorry asses into T5.
- Your point being? Those are all logical things to do when you have missiles coming at you. And Ceptors don’t just “shake it off” that easily, trust me. Not unless you know what you’re doing. They can easily be avoided as they can hit, you just need to look before you shoot. It’s not rocket science, but it seems to be something you can’t quite grasp…
- No, you can’t. Because you lack the skill to do it and die too often. Oh, you killed them once? How many times did they kill YOU in return?
Personally, I’m not denying anything you’ve said. I just said you’re not EXPERIENCED enough (not old) to dictate what’s good or bad, in general. You’re likely much too used to a single set of ships (considering you’re in T3 with maxed ships, as you said) and, as such, you’re used to having ANOTHER set of ships busting your nuts constantly and think they’re overpowered. You also sound like a solo pilot, in which case, yes, Guards will look OP’d to you because you likely tackle them on your own…
Am I right, so far?..
You think with 340 battles you are entitled to fly in T4. I have around 1900 battles and I know for a fact my skills are nowhere close to the pilots like JP, or Mustacho, or Astraal, or any of the other “famous” T4 / T5 pilots. Do you hear me complaining? No. Instead, I am doing my best to use PvE and T3 to mitigate tech difference. I’m trying to get acces to T4 in all factions because I don’t know what I’ll want to fly. I am going into the Tier assuming the pilots are better, the fights are tougher and the demands on me are higher.
I did the same thing. When I started playing T3, it was overwhelming for me, so I stayed in T2 for the longest time just to get better at flying my ships.
Again, the existence of something within a game does not, by default, entitle you to its use. You dismiss the “offline” examples, but they exist in online games as well. Runescape, for example. In order to own the best gear you need to train to a very high level, fight a very high level boss, and get lucky on the random loot drops. Alternatively, you need a HUGE amount of in-game credits. From a practical perspective, most Runescape players will never be able to access end-game content. They will never own Vitus Armour, or a Completionist Cape, or whatever.
Everything you mentionned can be done with time, not skills. If a person plays for a year or two even low skill this person will have this equipment.
So, again, how do you justify your model of thinking again?
If your system was as you say the best of the best, why the games I mentionned which are mainly in the mondial top5 of games doesn’t use it. even though their playerbase would even benefit greater than in SC ?
A guess maybe ? Because runespace aims to hardcore gamer while the mondial top5 aims to the biggest playerbase they can.
A game which want to have only hardcore gamer can have this system, ok. I’m pretty sure SC devs don’t want this.
Edit : Pls note that top5 games do have casuals and hardcore gamers in them. not only hardcore ones
Everything you mentionned can be done with time, not skills. If a person plays for a year or two even low skill this person will have this equipment.
Correct in a sense, you spend the time, you get the grind. A person that lets say sucks will eventually get his equipment and the game allows you to “pay” for items that normally would require alot of time to sink to get.
If your system was as you say the best of the best, why the games I mentionned which are mainly in the mondial top5 of games doesn’t use it. even though their playerbase would even benefit greater than in SC ?
be mindful that the player base is only about 2000 and only HALF are actually playing at any given time. Worst is when its america prime time when there is only 200 people on.
A guess maybe ? Because runespace aims to hardcore gamer while the mondial top5 aims to the biggest playerbase they can.
A game which want to have only hardcore gamer can have this system, ok. I’m pretty sure SC devs don’t want this.
runescape for the hardcore? You got to be kidding me. RUNESCAPE was based on the BROWSER, it was MADE SPECIFICALLY for casuals. They only just recently went WoW style.
Edit : Pls note that top5 games do have casuals and hardcore gamers in them. not only hardcore ones
You do realise that this game is based on the P2GL (pay to grind less) and we have a low player base, and WE ARE STILL IN BETA, what ever that means, thus everything we suggest should go undertesting. Of course, not everyone will like certain things, as in normal nature. But they need to be tested, and aspects of the working component will be kept.
Also, as has been said before, this poll is not hammering out specifics, but broad concepts.
It is entirely possible, and to my mind highly probable to divide Tiers by skill, giving each an “A” queue for the stronger pilots and a “B” queue for the weaker ones.
However, it is still going to punish rushers. The T5 “B” queue is going to be as skilled, if not more skilled than the T4 “A” queue simply because of how game progression works. Thus, you will never be happy. Fixed Tiers will provide a fairer system, one where there is clear progression and where it is ability, not tech, that is the deciding factor in yourr progress.
But we are never going to have a T5 queue for people with T2 skillsets. Ever. Not in Fixed, and not in Mixed.
I agree. I say you need to EARN your T5 ships…
Polls as of 11 th November:
In Game:
In favour of Mixed Tiers: 51.48%
In favour of Locked Tiers: 48.52%
Russian Forums:
In favour of Mixed Tiers: 16.28%
In favour of Locked Tiers: 83.72%
English Forums:
In favour of Mixed Tiers: 20%
In favour of Locked Tiers: 80%
Cumulative:
In favour of Mixed Tiers: 29.25%
In favour of Locked Tiers: 70.75%
Specific divisions:
In Game:
Mixed Tiers – Squads boosted up tiers: 40.24%
Mixed Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 11.24%
Locked Tiers – No penalty for squads: 28.96%
Locked Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 19.56%
Russian Forums:
Mixed Tiers – Squads boosted up tiers: 11.63%
Mixed Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 4.65%
Locked Tiers – No penalty for squads: 65.12%
Locked Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 18.60%
English Forums:
Mixed Tiers – Squads boosted up tiers: 3.33%
Mixed Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 16.67%
Locked Tiers – No penalty for squads: 66.67%
Locked Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 13.33%
Cumulative:
Mixed Tiers – Squads boosted up tiers: 18.40%
Mixed Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 10.85%
Locked Tiers – No penalty for squads: 53.58%
Locked Tiers – Squads only fight Squads: 17.16%
Well, isn’t this interesting…
Specifically, look at the correlation between % voters in favour of options 2 and 4. With option 2, the forum average is 12.985% between English and Russian, which is only slightly higher than the in-game poll. Likewise, Option 4 is not a million miles out from the forum versions.
What is telling is how many people in game are apparently happy with the current system, yet can’t be arsed signing up for the forums to confirm that support. This to me smacks of the uninformed voter – the “I don’t care” group. I seem to recall that was an option on the original version, and I honestly suspect that a large chunk of the so-called “supporters” of the current model are people who will happy keep playing no matter what is done.
If there had been a fifth option, I suspect the vote would be more clear-cut in favour of Fixed Tiers.
I wonder how many people voted 1 on the in-game poll merely because it’s the first option… as they don’t really care, perhaps didn’t even read the question, but figured it’s free 10gs if they click a button. I’d be interested to see the same poll repeated with “fixed tiers” as option 1.
Perhaps nothing will happen, but I predict it would throw the poll in favour of fixed tiers by at least 5-10%. That only requires 1 in every 10 or 20 people to be careless; not an insane hypothesis when you consider our player-base.
I’d say a higher ratio demonstrate careless tendencies on a regular basis in battle so it seems likely to me anyway.
This is also why the forum is an inherently better poll - by its nature, it is only being voted on by people who care enough about the game to make their opinions known. Even if their reasoning is ill-informed, perplexing or just batshit crazy, they did at least feel it important that their thoughts were heard by the community and the developers.