Well if there is this ELO rating why can’t the vets just be matched to each other and the ‘newbies’ face each other without this silly uptiering?
not enough players
My argument would be the same, you like most of the veterans are mad because you can’t farm n00bs anymore in your mighty T3 squads. But after 6140 battles you should have more than enough resources to play T4 and T5 with full purple ships. I do with 2k less games played than you.
Instead of whining why don’t you consider leveling up and playing T5? If games are so small and queues so long it’s because of ppl sticking to T3 instead of going higher tiers, if you and anyone complaining started all playing up there, you would find each other, hopefully in big games, and would actually have to fight for the win and not just stomp the randoms.
The fact that I don’t play doesn’t mean I lost my common sense.
Yeah you can have 4ships on t4 and t5 but when you have stuff for every class and half of the weapons and everying in t3 then you have to choice between t4 or t5(i can equiq nearly every t4 ship and have passive modules for 6-7 at once but only for 2 in T5)
And i dont like the mm at the moment either. Farming T3 is boring 
is that full mk4 R11/prem T4 4 man squad vs R5-7(with 2 r9) squad? XD
I bet it work as intended and those T2/3 players are OP therefore have to play in T4
Apples have a guy with R9 (Most likely styx, who knows maybe Garm) and PRem T3. We all know that squads are measured by highest ranked ship in a squad, this is more of lack of understanding how MM works and lack of information rather than MM.
If they would be truly r7-r8, i’d agree and complain about MM, but not in this particular case.
Sorry but the fact you don’t play makes your opinions irrelevant for me. Maybe I’ll also fight for some changes on one of my previously played game’s forum. Seems this is a nice hobby.
So that’s your only argument (a stupid fallacy since I’ve never left the game) about the fact that you only like the game when you can 4 men squad with full prem mk4 gear against randoms and you dislike it when you have to actually fight for a win?
is that full mk4 R11/prem T4 4 man squad vs R5-7(with 2 r9) squad? XD
I bet it work as intended and those T2/3 players are OP therefore have to play in T4
No i had an mk4 r12 non prem ship (King Nibelung) and Muellermat mostly mk2/mk1 stuff but yes
So that’s your only argument (a stupid fallacy since I’ve never left the game) about the fact that you only like the game when you can 4 men squad with full prem mk4 gear against randoms and you dislike it when you have to actually fight for a win?
Gizmo never played like that, he wants fare fights against other good squads. Sadly it doesn’t happens quite often since there’s not anymore a good playerbase. So it can happens that even giz sometimes have to punish newbee instead of havng fair matches. Where are gone old good squads from wpk btw? I mean most of the best games i remember was against them. Bah.
Meanwhile, apart few dudes like my fellow hooter here: I have no respect for all this whiners.
Guys seriously… People that usually farm stats in t3 are crying hard now that they are the green/white cannonfodder in higher tiers. That’s just ridicolous.
People with more than 5000 games without full equipments on all the ships in all tiers, this means only one thing: you where playing in lower tiers just to farm stats. And please don’t start with the old bs that good big games with squads occours only in t3. That was last year, those days are over since november 2014
Whoever doesn’t wants to play in his proper tier for whatever reason: go away from the game. People (and newcomers pop expc.) will not miss you at all.
So that’s your only argument (a stupid fallacy since I’ve never left the game) about the fact that you only like the game when you can 4 men squad with full prem mk4 gear against randoms and you dislike it when you have to actually fight for a win?
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Yeah since you don’t play, you have no idea who is doing what…
I often play T5 even if I don’t like it and I often play solo, since we don’t get games in squad. But since you are not playing, you don’t know this.
And about the squadding , squadding, squadding… yes we are squadding sometime because we like to play together. Last time when I saw you in game, you was in T3 WPK squad with purple gear… Why you didn’t play at T5? Did you enjoyed hunt down n00bs?
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Do you think squads needs to be punished?
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Do you think friends should play solo or play together something else?
Again: Since you don’t play your opinions are irrelevant for me.
So if you fly T3 you must be farming stats? lol, I guess just enjoying the ships you own is not allowed…
Gizmo never played like that, he wants fare fights against other good squads. Sadly it doesn’t happens quite often since there’s not anymore a good playerbase. So it can happens that even giz sometimes have to punish newbee instead of havng fair matches. Where are gone old good squads from wpk? I mean most of the best game i remember was against them. Bah.
Meanwhile, apart few like my fellow hooter here, I have no respect for all this whiners.
Guys seriously… People that usually farm stats in t3 are crying hard now that they are the green/white cannonfodder in higher tiers. That’s just ridicolous.
People with more than 5000 games without full equipments on all the ships in all tiers, this means only one thing: you where playing in lower tiers just to farm stats. And please don’t start with the old bs that good big games with squads occours only in t3. That was last year, those days are over since november 2014
Whoever doesn’t wants to play in his proper tier for whatever reason: go away from the game. People (and newcomers pop expc.) will not miss you at all.
Thanks
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Yeah since you don’t play, you have no idea who is doing what…
I often play T5 even if I don’t like it and I often play solo, since we don’t get games in squad. But since you are not playing, you don’t know this.
And about the squadding , squadding, squadding… yes we are squadding sometime because we like to play together. Last time when I saw you in game, you was in T3 WPK squad with purple gear… Why you didn’t play at T5? Did you enjoyed hunt down n00bs?
Do you think squads needs to be punished?
Do you think friends should play solo or play together something else?
Again: Since you don’t play your opinions are irrelevant for me.
Of course I was playing T3 with my purple gear, no one was willing to go T5, my purple geared T5 ships are still there gaining dust, that was xxxx long ago. Now with mixed tiers people are forced to go T5, now it would be possible to have T5 games, and instead of accepting that and going T5, all of you, you just leave the game (not you but a lot of people are saying “I quit” because they can’t farm Aces anymore) or whine in the forums day and night.
Squads don’t need to be punished, veteran squads on n00b tier need to be pushed up.
Friends should play always together.
Also all that “you don’t know nothing you don’t play” is just something you’re throwing out of your arse, you have no idea about what I do or what I don’t in this game lol
So if you fly T3 you must be farming stats? lol, I guess just enjoying the ships you own is not allowed…
One thing is enjoying the ships you own, and other thing is playing 5000, 6000, 7000 games in T3 when you have literally everything equipped.
So if you fly T3 you must be farming stats? lol, I guess just enjoying the ships you own is not allowed…
You can use your ships from t3 lineout during weekend tournaments, dread fights and pve. Enjoy as much as you can fighting against proper enemy.
So yes, if you regullary go in t3pvpyou are going there just to farm guys in green\white ships. No other explenations here.
Well, you have some twisted views SpongeJohn, lets just agree to disagree.
The funny thing is, there seems to be this assumption that the only players in T3 are green/white newbies and a couple of seasoned players, which is far from the truth. Most matches haves pretty balanced teams, with equal number of good and bad on either side, but hey lets just ignore that fact 
There is also this assumption that everyone cares about stats! Again far from the truth!
Gizmo never played like that, he wants fare fights against other good squads. Sadly it doesn’t happens quite often since there’s not anymore a good playerbase. So it can happens that even giz sometimes have to punish newbee instead of havng fair matches. Where are gone old good squads from wpk? I mean most of the best game i remember was against them. Bah.
Meanwhile, apart few like my fellow hooter here, I have no respect for all this whiners.
Guys seriously… People that usually farm stats in t3 are crying hard now that they are the green/white cannonfodder in higher tiers. That’s just ridicolous.
People with more than 5000 games without full equipments on all the ships in all tiers, this means only one thing: you where playing in lower tiers just to farm stats. And please don’t start with the old bs that good big games with squads occours only in t3. That was last year, those days are over since november 2014
Whoever doesn’t wants to play in his proper tier for whatever reason: go away from the game. People (and newcomers pop expc.) will not miss you at all.
So you dont even consider that I dont fly T5 because I find it unbanlanced, slow paced, filled with lrf Aces, long queue times, and I see no point in leveling ships that cant be used in sector conquest anymore? On top of that it takes at least 10 times more time to max out a T5-T3. I dont play T3 for farming, i mostly fly alone and there is almost always a guy just as good as me at the other side. My rating makes T3 hard enough as it is. The new MM system makes it impossible for me to play T3 without being pushed in to T4. No matter how good you are, you ll get overpowered by the Ace with the maxed out T4…
ACE= newbie
c’mon I can’t use those builds in T3… and I enjoyed 'em most!
Also they were possible to kill even by those R7 white/green newbies you protectin so much.
Well, you have some twisted views SpongeJohn, lets just agree to disagree.
Not at all. Listen i have almost all premium ships in t3. I love using them when i need to: like as i said during tournaments and dread fights. Which 90℅ of the times are good fights against good players.
I have no fun at all using my fav ships against Aces. That’s not how i measure my epeen. Instead almost anyone crying hard here are people with more then 6000 games that are still there using the sames ships, that’s far beyond “enjoing fav ships” that’s farming. End of the story.
c’mon I can’t use those builds in T3… and I enjoyed 'em most!
Also they were possible to kill even by those R7 white/green newbies you protectin so much.
Oh yeah soo easy to kill you for newbees with green\white xxxx fits… C’mon dude you are better than that. 
Not at all. Listen i have almost all premium ships in t3. I love using them when i need to: like as i said during tournaments and dread fights. Which 90℅ of the times are good fights against good players.
I have no fun at all using my fav ships against Aces. That’s not how i measure my epeen. Instead almost anyone crying hard here are people with more then 6000 games that are still there using the sames ships, that’s far beyond “enjoing fav ships” that’s farming. End of the story.
you dont get it, do you? I have T5- T4 and played them a lot when there still was sector conquest. When that was gone, T3 was just a lot more fun to play. you can disagree but that does not mean that every other player is playing to farm stats in T3. What the hell do i need good stats for? I m playing for fun, not to boast around against people on the internet
Oh yeah soo easy to kill you for newbees with green\white xxxx fits… C’mon dude you are better than that.
T3 had higher skillz lvl than T5 with lots of prem idiots with one ship - CTB are so fun in T5 everyone so skilled, so balanced, so big games, almost no queue! insta games!
Not at all. Listen i have almost all premium ships in t3. I love using them when i need to: like as i said during tournaments and dread fights. Which 90℅ of the times are good fights against good players.
I have no fun at all using my fav ships against Aces. That’s not how i measure my epeen. Instead almost anyone crying hard here are people with more then 6000 games that are still there using the sames ships, that’s far beyond “enjoing fav ships” that’s farming. End of the story.
Again, stop assuming that everybody gives a sh*t about stats, you do know you can play this game for fun too right? And you also seem to forget that T3 doesn’t soley consist of green/white newbies, it doesn’t. Teams are generally well balanced.
I like playing and levelling my T4s too, but I do like to play T3 with some of my favourite ships when I want, and play with friends and corp mates too. Why should I be punished for this? Maybe we should punish the T4 vets too, force them into T5 so they don’t get an easy time farming T3s…
EDIT: tbh, I found T4 to be a bit easier than T3 before this MM change, just saying.
T3 had higher skillz lvl than T5 with lots of prem idiots with one ship - CTB are so fun in T5 everyone so skilled, so balanced, so big games, almost no queue! insta games!
Shut uuuup you are here saying those things just to troll.
Again, stop assuming that everybody gives a sh*t about stats, you do know you can play this game for fun too right? And you also seem to forget that T3 doesn’t soley consist of green/white newbies, it doesn’t. Teams are generally well balanced.
I like playing and levelling my T4s too, but I do like to play T3 with some of my favourite ships when I want, and play with friends and corp mates too. Why should I be punished for this? Maybe we should punish the T4 vets too, force them into T5 so they don’t get an easy time farming T3s…
EDIT: tbh, I found T4 to be a bit easier than T3 before this MM change, just saying.
I too play for fun, I just have another idea of “fun”: Dealing with people at my level.
T3 is mostly made by newbee, stop pretending that lower tiers doesn’t works like that.
About pushing veterans with r12 or premiums in t5 i would love to see that happens. C’ause atm the only guys enjoin that: are t4 vets seal clubbing t3 population.
So you dont even consider that I dont fly T5 because I find it unbanlanced, slow paced, filled with lrf Aces, long queue times, and I see no point in leveling ships that cant be used in sector conquest anymore? On top of that it takes at least 10 times more time to max out a T5-T3. I dont play T3 for farming, i mostly fly alone and there is almost always a guy just as good as me at the other side. My rating makes T3 hard enough as it is. The new MM system makes it impossible for me to play T3 without being pushed in to T4. No matter how good you are, you ll get overpowered by the Ace with the maxed out T4…
ACE= newbie
If you have no will to play in end game content, why even playing the game at all? Seriously what’s your point?
Are you seriously stating that all your games in t3 you have some vets on the other squads that make game harder for you 'cause he chase your ships all the time? Or maybe (and here is the problem) 99% of the time he made the game harder for you 'cause he kills over and over newbees in your squad like you do with him?
There’s a huge difference you know, and actually 90% of games in t3 was going like that.
No one likes to be constantly killed by a guy with full equip while you are just trying to level your ships and still trying to understand how this game works. Since now you where on the “full equip” side, now you are not. Deal with it.
And if you don’t like t5 end game content meta (even if you should play t5 to say that, and so far i never saw you there) let me say it again: why you are still playing after 6000 games?
I’m rude? maybe. The mm as it is now should be tuned again? Off course. Still I don’t see why sealclubbing newb all the time should be allowed since it’s mostly what let people leave this game.