I have spoken to several players who are new and level each faction to rank 3-4 before they decide which to focus on.
At 120k credits a pop, that is a lot of money for new players. Maybe to help them out a bit we could grant free faction changes if your current faction is below rank 4 for example.
Just a thought.
Or give them the info that which sub faction gets what - special skills, mark III items maybe even the different contracts too - so they can decide without " waisting " time (it’s a good idea to level up more subfactions to get their items but not while you don’t have a higher tier ship to get money fast)
I wish it would actually TELL YOU what each faction gives you in terms of items and ships. As is, I don’t find out until I check the shop or I unlock said items. That and I can’t plan long-term as items for the upper tiers than my current ship don’t show up in the shop.
Just to be able to glance at the factions list and see what each offers me would be brilliant. (And a little note saying that changing between the three racial factions also changes your race would be nice too, for the newbies.)
Where is the 120k option all I see is the 300 credits version … sick to death of fed…
Just to be able to glance at the factions list and see what each offers me would be brilliant. (And a little note saying that changing between the three racial factions also changes your race would be nice too, for the newbies.)
what about reading the FAQ ? http://wiki.star-conflict.com/index.php?title=FAQ#Ranking
I wish it would actually TELL YOU what each faction gives you in terms of items and ships. As is, I don’t find out until I check the shop or I unlock said items. That and I can’t plan long-term as items for the upper tiers than my current ship don’t show up in the shop.
You just have to uncheck the “compatible with ships” checkbox
By race I meant “main faction”. It gets a little bit muddled there as it’s just race and contract factions with no name on Federation, Empire or Jericho factions themselves…but my main point is that information should be available IN-GAME. Not every player will know about the forums or even the FAQ, the people who actually explore outside the game are a very small minority. If the tutorial was better designed and everything was explained more clearly we wouldn’t have general being flooded with very basic 101 questions such as “Can I sell my ships?” or “How do I change faction?”.
Edit: Thanks for the tip though. But I still think when you’re viewing contract factions, it should just have a tooltip on each faction saying something like “This faction specialises in X type weaponry/modules such as <examples>”
A few arguments :
it’s a beta.
before steam release we didn’t have those kind of questions. People were searching themselves.
there’s an help button on the game. In this help menu there’s a faq button. This FAQ buttons leads to the FAQ thread of the forum. The wiki FAQ is brand new, but linked to the forum FAQ.
While I don’t think that faction changes should be free for lower lvl users (it is not as expensive for them to change factions anyway), I agree that a quick window explaining what each faction unlocks would make for an incredibly useful addition.
As for Benache, this is a suggestion forum. The game is as you say in beta and that’s precisely WHY people make these threads as a lot of things need to be tweaked/can be improved upon. Yes there is a wiki and yes there is a FAQ, but keep in mind that this is a suggestion for new players, who might not have as much gaming experience and might be unaware of the wiki. Furthermore wiki information in a lot of games is incredibly unreliable and often you will find fiction before fact. Additionaly having a tooltip would save considerable time in comparison to the need of constantly minimizing your game just to get another little piece of information.
The addition of a tooltip has no negative side-effects, nor does it take much work. Infact, it has SEVERAL positive aspects. As I mentioned on my own post already, unless you have something constructive and thread related to contribute, please refrain from posting on other peoples threads as it is incredibly impolite and at times even borders on the offensive (“before steam release we didn’t have those kind of questions. People were searching themselves.” insinuating a lack of intelligence/self reliance on the part of steam users)
Where is the 120k option all I see is the 300 credits version … sick to death of fed…
The subject of discussion is not the player race which you choose at the beginning and which as you said costs credits to change, but the faction affiliation which is changeable by accepting contracts from the various factions.
What i meant by “this is a beta” was not that it was not a finished game. I implied too subtly that we were all beta testers. So we have some sort of conduct code to obey, part of which is reading the forum and reporting bugs. Or making suggestions.
In the past week, there are been a thousand of new posts on subject that had been vastly discussed before. Take for exemple the criticism of the ‘Combat reconnaissance’ modes. Those people don’t help the devs. They are just making some noise.
On the other hand, there are quality contirbutors, such as yourself, trying to make compilation of ideas like in this post (By the way, man, you’re touchy, what was that reaction on my troll about ‘couple’. Seriously, you should have answered ‘yeah whatever’. Do not feed the troll.).
I know this is a suggestion thread. I know the wiki is not complete. I know FAQ are a pain in the xxxx.
I’m just saying that this game is not straight forward. What I try to explain, is that when you decide to get into a game like that, you have some effort to make. And reading my FAQ only takes 15 minutes, and MOST of newcomer’s question will be answered. And the important point is that IT WILL ANSWER QUESTION THEY DIDN’T EVEN ASK THEMSELVES !! I myself lost a lot of time and credits and even a bit of standards because there was no explanation of the mechanisms, nowhere. Now, there is a FAQ. It’s easy to find. Reading it will prevent newcomers to make the same mistakes I did. Or learn about tweaks : did you know you can switch on a matchmaking queue graph ? See Chat Commands
But a lot of people don’t even make that little effort. And no, i’m not insinuating a lack of intelligence, I am plainly stating lazyness. And you can think what you want of my intervention on this forum, you’re not the webmaster so as long as i have a +21 reputation quotation i’ll keep on posting on this forum the way I wish. This is a suggestion thread, so all suggestion should be taken into account by the devs without discussion ? I’m a player, don’t I have the right to have an opinion on this game ?
Back to our point, they have put a lot of effort in getting it more easy to understand, in the past few weeks. Look at the release notes. Did you know that the tooltip on the ship with all thoses stats didn’t exist one month ago ? I myself am working a lot to help newcomers. I often answer to the questions on the chat. On the wiki, I wrote the FAQ, the chat commands page, did tables on special weapons etc. etc.
I will say it again in upper case so to increase the chance of someone actually understanding me :
THE GAME MECHANISMS ARE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. NEWCOMERS SHOULD READ THE FAQ. INGAME HELP WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
So concerning the suggestion, yeah why not a tooltip. But I am convinced that giving the illusion of understanding things, and thus preventing newcomers to read what is closer to a game manual, is not a good idea. It is a negative side-effect. The best solution would be to make a short tooltip with a link to the wiki.
Furthermore wiki information in a lot of games is incredibly unreliable and often you will find fiction before fact.
The wiki will be closed for public editing as soon as it is complete enough. So the information will be controlled there.
For the moment the stats are changing so info is not accurate. By the end of the beta, all should be in place.
Where is the 120k option all I see is the 300 credits version … sick to death of fed…
From FAQ:
Q Do I have to change my race if I want to level up another line of ships ?
A No, your race only determines your player’s bonus (see above). If you change your faction, you will begin ranking up in the race associated with your faction.
sry double post. remove me pls
actually it’s a tripple 
Anyway:
(By the way, man, you’re touchy, what was that reaction on my troll about ‘couple’. Seriously, you should have answered ‘yeah whatever’. Do not feed the troll.).
Ye it’s late, I haven’t slept in ages. I tend to get touchy when tired sorry. 
I agree that most people, especially newcomers rush straight into the game without bothering to read the FAQ or checking the wiki. Hell, I used to be like that when I started gaming. The problem is that this kind of behaviour is to be expected in both open beta and full release, which is why the open beta is a good trial phase to find ways to deal with confusion among newcomers before they are put off and stop playing the game. After all, no game can be successfull if only a handful of experienced gamers play it. Gotta keep in mind that the main aim of any company-owned game is and always will be, money.
I’m not trying to forbid you from having or voicing your opinion about the game, but with comments like the “since steam-release” one you can create misunderstandings and inadvertently offend readers. That’s why I normaly try to point out that a player should keep to the thread subject as closely as possible if he runs into danger of creating such a misunderstanding. I do agree tho that my tone was inappropriate, like I said, I’m tired and I get grumpy when I’m tired. My apologies.
See , I’ve been playing for months and this does not affect me, but my point wasn’t people trying to get all mk3 modules, it is that new players want to try the different factions to gauge which they like most. Reading a FAQ is not the same as being in the game living it.
I see a lot of players with rank 3 of all or at least 2 factions trying to decide which is funner, and with all those faction change transactions, if hurts a new players wallet.
Now I understand, at tier 2 faction changes are recoverable after 2 battles, but for new tier 1 players who have bought all those ships?
I just want to ease new player experience, that is all.
I agree that most people, especially newcomers rush straight into the game without bothering to read the FAQ or checking the wiki. Hell, I used to be like that when I started gaming. The problem is that this kind of behaviour is to be expected in both open beta and full release, which is why the open beta is a good trial phase to find ways to deal with confusion among newcomers before they are put off and stop playing the game. After all, no game can be successfull if only a handful of experienced gamers play it. Gotta keep in mind that the main aim of any company-owned game is and always will be, money.
I’m not trying to forbid you from having or voicing your opinion about the game, but with comments like the “since steam-release” one you can create misunderstandings and inadvertently offend readers. That’s why I normaly try to point out that a player should keep to the thread subject as closely as possible if he runs into danger of creating such a misunderstanding. I do agree tho that my tone was inappropriate, like I said, I’m tired and I get grumpy when I’m tired. My apologies.
^This.
Good game design should include help/information about mechanics clear inside the game environment and refrain from the need to search stuff in outside (and often very vague or incomplete) sources.
Same goes for the lore and any info helping new player to get into the game and understand its mechanics - it has nothing to do with hand-holding or whatever.
If there is a tutorial, series of videos or clear tooltips in-game and players still ask silly questions - then it’s players fault - I agree.
But, honestly, expecting that majority of new players will search for FAQ (which gives very basic info anyway) or wiki (which at this stage provides garbled, outdated and incomplete information) is rather silly.
The closest “outside” source (and most accurate) I could agree on as a part of learning experience would be manual - unfortunately it’s buried in game files without any link to it on launcher screen. I’ve meet seasoned players (judging from their profiles) on chat who were surprised about that PDF manual even being there.
Having said all that - I’m also against free faction swap. It’s typical carebear practice and trying all faction ships is already easy enough. Firstly - you get Loyalty and Reputation even if defeated. Secondly - changing contract costs even up to Rank 6 are so small that can be covered by 2-3 quick matches in T1.
Having said all that - I’m also against free faction swap. It’s typical carebear practice and trying all faction ships is already easy enough. Firstly - you get Loyalty and Reputation even if defeated. Secondly - changing contract costs even up to Rank 6 are so small that can be covered by 2-3 quick matches in T1.
Fair enough, I can agree with that.