I was playing on an HP DV7 laptop that had a radeon 5650 HD card in it, but I wanted to upscale and not spend too much. So I found this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227593
Pretty good for the price, imo 
get moar ram!
at least 8GB moar!
I’m a bigger friend of NVidia Graphics.
Me too, better drivers; albeit the card here is at least in the top 20, since the CPU will for sure hold for a longer while, he can opt to buy a new card in a few years as cheap upgrade.
gratz on the new pc i hope u enjoy it 
Noice. Like g4borg wrote, hope you enjoy using your new PC Engle. =)
Me too, better linux drivers; albeit the card here is at least in the top 20…
Fixed it for you,
The only thing that you will “miss” with an amd GPU is the nvidia shadowplay since raptr (which “in theory” is the amd official recording software) is really broken. There are alternative out there but they don’t have the “save replay” thing.
Add an ssd up to 250 gb like this for the so and you will be fine for a long time.
I’d suggest an i5 with better GPU
perhaps this (or you can get non-OC for even cheaper) + this (free gamez!)
(unless you’ve already bought this in which case congrats)
I’d suggest an i5 with better GPU
perhaps this (or you can get non-OC for even cheaper) + this (free gamez!)
(unless you’ve already bought this in which case congrats)
I did exactly the same, he didn’t listened to me 
Fixed it for you,
The only thing that you will “miss” with an amd GPU is the nvidia shadowplay since raptr (which “in theory” is the amd official recording software) is really broken. There are alternative out there but they don’t have the “save replay” thing.
Add an ssd up to 250 gb like this for the so and you will be fine for a long time.
you did not fix anything for me; i dont expect a normal user to experience this often.
True, the linux drivers were not always very well maintained, which makes them rather unsatisfying at times in different ways, but the errors they inflict are similar on both windows and linux, if it comes from the driver / lowlevel code; which is the same on all platforms. And in that area, amd simply sometimes does not perform and creates serious software locks, while usually nvidia cards fail in hardware first.
This comes from years of dual boot / development experience with amd cards; they have far less software engineering going on at amd, and usually license external software; they are much more used in *nix on a business level due to the drivers being open source (nvidia only releases binary drivers, while the inofficial OS drivers do not support 3d acceleration), at the same time, the code experience from nvidia is still ahead, which is why in personal computing, which represents people complaining online, most linux users (playing games or doing 3d stuff) use nvidia instead; especially since it performs better on wine, and also, why nvidia had it easier to put in something like shadowplay, reliably, simply because they got the software guys to do it. I do not argue about the hardware of ATi actually sometimes being ahead of nvidia.
In fact, there is a similar opposition among linux users, what to use on a linux rack, when they come from a development background; they will prefer amd due to open drivers, or low level technological reasons, either due to religious GNU beliefs, or simply experience with using the graphics cards for something different than calculating graphics with modded drivers. Linux users with a gaming or 3d background will go nvidia first. There is also a huge fanbase for intel in the *nix world, and they get a lot of revenue from apple. Not taking sides, only stating facts.
This is why i prefer nvidia on linux, but windows too, for gaming. And use intel on linux
If I want a power horse graphics card, but cheap, I would go AMD too, at least, if the system locks up, it’s usually just a reboot, not a broken card…
Also not sayin’, in the last couple of years, AMD has started to increase their code quality, and they are beating nvidia regularly in top-card effectiveness, especially for bucks
Still, amd drivers are sometimes a pain in the butt, you can’t deny that. Especially if they do not allow you to start programs anymore, while the newest driver currently has some bug with yet another Software. These kinds of things don’t happen on nvidia, but I had such situations every now and then with amd cards, repeatedly, also on racks i had to fix or diagnose.
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This is why i prefer nvidia on linux, but windows too, for gaming.
Ok so i’ve should write “Better closed official driver”… (ask Linus Torvalds what he thinks about that).
Apart that, still i don’t see reason to be a “fan” of nvidia, Amd or whatever since for gaming and “home” using one should choose the best rig according to the budget, and not “looking at the brand” since both made and keep making mistakes.
You are talking about stuffs that 90% people just don’t care. The gaming market follow who have the better performance, sometimes Nvidia/intel has, sometimes AMD was the best choice. All the others that are “fan” of one brand are just “fashion victims”. And they are always a pleasure to see when they pretend to PLAY ON THE NEW FANCY MAC or play on THE NEW ALL INTEGRATED INTEL LAPTOP…
At a certain point i had costumers that after “leaving” me to buy some of those “s***” asked me: WHY I CANT PLAY ON THIS DAMN THING I PAYED 1500 euro… Best answer to those: buy an XBOX or a PS and pay at least 60 euro for every game.
I became a bartender after that. At least drunken costumers don’t always pretend to be smarter than me just because they have the newest mac.
I’ll tells you, if i had to choose now a new gpu i would go for a gtx 970 but only 'cause my psu won’t tolerate the power drain from an high end AMd gpu, and because i would love to use a decent “shadowplay” thingy to record videos. But still i don’t like the price they sell that gpu and the 960 frankly have absolutely nothing more to say than my hd 7870 on fullHD resolution.
I know nobody is interested in that, I just said, my argument for nvidia is not fanboi-talk, and has nothing to do with linux; and then i told all the stuff nobody is interested in to argue my point.
they are overpriced. basicly, he decided to go for high end cpu with powerhorse ati card. same setup with equivalent nvidia is expensive; cards around that card cost well 200-400 bucks more.
but if he goes for an upgrade card later, i would still prefer nvidia, because of its stability; if you invest money into a single part of your pc, I mean. And as you said, and I agreed to that, i5 with a stronger card is better money safer, than i7 with the amd; the i7 will still serve him for many years to come, after all, future is in multiple cores anyway, individual cores aren’t getting stronger so fast anymore, but won’t have so much upsides over an i5 for gaming. so there is nothing against investing in a top nvidia card once other games come out. or any other card that is - in that future - better.
As I remember Engle wanted something for a longer timeperiod, so I think it was a decent buy for that.
Anyway, I prefer ATi cards as backup cards if your graphics fail. They simply seem to operate much longer, usually. So it’s even a nice thing to have around, in case you need to determine if the graphics card has failed, or to build a second pc. It’s definitely not a bad investment overall.
I know nobody is interested in that, I just said, my argument for nvidia is not fanboi-talk, and has nothing to do with linux; and then i told all the stuff nobody is interested in to argue my point.
they are overpriced. basicly, he decided to go for high end cpu with powerhorse ati card. same setup with equivalent nvidia is expensive; cards around that card cost well 200-400 bucks more.
but if he goes for an upgrade card later, i would still prefer nvidia, because of its stability; if you invest money into a single part of your pc, I mean. And as you said, and I agreed to that, i5 with a stronger card is better money safer, than i7 with the amd; the i7 will still serve him for many years to come, after all, future is in multiple cores anyway, individual cores aren’t getting stronger so fast anymore, but won’t have so much upsides over an i5 for gaming. so there is nothing against investing in a top nvidia card once other games come out. or any other card that is - in that future - better.
As I remember Engle wanted something for a longer timeperiod, so I think it was a decent buy for that.
Anyway, I prefer ATi cards as backup cards if your graphics fail. They simply seem to operate much longer, usually. So it’s even a nice thing to have around, in case you need to determine if the graphics card has failed, or to build a second pc. It’s definitely not a bad investment overall.
AMD is the best for gaming imo so i’d go amd all the way!
AMD is the best for gaming imo so i’d go amd all the way!
And here we go with a good exemple of “fanboy”
I know nobody is interested in that, I just said, my argument for nvidia is not fanboi-talk, and has nothing to do with linux; and then i told all the stuff nobody is interested in to argue my point.
they are overpriced. basicly, he decided to go for high end cpu with powerhorse ati card. same setup with equivalent nvidia is expensive ; cards around that card cost well 200-400 bucks more.
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Yup, the fact is: until 1440 and up monitor will become cheaper than a kidney, every gpu that cost more than 250 euro is overpriced. NONE of the current gpus can handle 60 frames for second on 1440 on high detail and few AA neither apart maybe a titan that cost around 1300 euro… gtx 970 and 980 struggle to maintain 30 medium fps.
So the best that someone can do now is: take the best gpu that you can afford, don’t push to much on the price because at 1920 resolution quite everything better than an AMD 280 can survive a lot.
If you want to play now on an 1440 without lowering details to the point that maxed 1920 resolution would looks better: probably you are wasting money.
And here we go with a good exemple of “fanboy”
well intel does have the best high end but you don’t need extremely high end for gaming.
AMD is more cost effective and u get more bang for your buck.
well intel does have the best high end but you don’t need extremely high end for gaming.
AMD is more cost effective and u get more bang for your buck.
They’re talking video cards, not processors. AMD’s main competitor there is nvidea, not intel
They’re talking video cards, not processors. AMD’s main competitor there is nvidea, not intel
yeah it would help if i read the whole thing. Intel’s gpus suck lol.
and nvidia gpus are decent but not as good as amd for price.
yeah it would help if i read the whole thing. Intel’s gpus suck lol.
and nvidia gpus are decent but not as good as amd for price.
some IQ wouldn’t hurt too
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True, the linux drivers were not always very well maintained, which makes them rather unsatisfying at times in different ways, but the errors they inflict are similar on both windows and linux, if it comes from the driver / lowlevel code; which is the same on all platforms. And in that area, amd simply sometimes does not perform and creates serious software locks, while usually nvidia cards fail in hardware first.
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I missed this, sorry i will sound trollish but you know… i may not know about “errors they inflict to low level code” since i’m no coder. I’m a consumer, and as a consumer i’m much more concerned about how my money became toilet paper after a company who sells overpriced hardware make stuffs like: completely giving up on performance support with “not so old” hardware.
Kepler 700/600 series were just abandoned from NVIDIA, at the point that cards like 280x or gtx 960 who costs a fraction of a 780ti just a year ago, now perform quite as the same (960 just went on the market now ok, but still is in another price range).
This is happening since Maxwell (960/70/80) went on the market, and who say that are not amd fanboy, but nvidia owners: https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/34/
With every new game and _ driver _ the situation become worst.
And we are not talking about old hardware, lot of people brought those gpus only one year ago…
So forgive me, but when it comes to advice someone on what hardware to buy “low level faulty driver code” is more a marketing issue that will affect probably only 10% (but more realistically less than 3%) instead of real problems like this above for Nvidia (not to mention about how they totally lied about onboard 970 memory, minor issue since it will affects performance only on resolutions above 1080p that are already not in range for that gpu) or the crappy Amd shadowplay and power consumption.
What is GPU?