DLC reputation bonuses now as reputation is obsolete

Game Discussion Levelling and Economy
#1

All three original DLC contents contained, and still contain following statement in one form or another: "Permanent 10% bonus to reputation gain"

 

Now, as reputation seems to be obsolete, how will DLC owners be reimbursed and in what time frame? (e.g. is the bonus switched to something else?)

 

Sorry if this has been already taken care of, but haven’t noticed it being mentioned anywhere or noticed any difference in my game.

 

 

Also, may I suggest to get that fixed on those store pages and in Steam. Bit naughty to sell something that doesn’t do anything, if I have understood correctly the reputation change.

#2

I’m confused as to how loyalty/reputation is now useless, could you elaborate?

 

We’re happy to address your concerns but I am not sure I understand where you are coming from at the moment.

#3

reputation is the thing used to level up tiers for factions, it is different from loyalty which levels up subfactions

 

now that we use synergy as a way to level up tiers, we no longer have reputation and that bonus is obsolete

#4

http://wiki.star-conflict.com/index.php?title=Rank

 

“Reputation” has been a defined word meaning reputation for (Main) factions: Jericho, Federation or Empire.

“Loyalty” in other hand being for the sub-factions inside these main factions, being different thing from reputation.

 

Pre-0.9 players gained this reputation for these factions from each game, and if you had a DLC there was a bonus to this value as stated in the DLC packages. Now there seems to be no Reputation gained (and thus no bonus applied), as players do not gain faction reputation anymore from the games, or level up main faction reputation via this same mechanic as earlier. The mechanic to increase your rank in a Main Faction is now totally different, not using this “reputation” value.

 

As an indicator of this, there is no longer an progress bar in in-game hangar top-left corner, or progress values in your Profile for the ranks. If unsure, googling some old screen shots of Star Conflict hangar will show this progress bar, while post-0.9 Star Conflict does not show this progress bar. (Or my game is faulty).

 

Loyalty, being different thing, you gained only from Contracts, or from some rare loot items. This loyalty seems to be untouched and unrelated, unless the wording in the store / steam is wrong, and “reputation” in that context means “loyalty” instead (which would be misleading).

 

But, I indeed happened to find this piece of information from an old topic where it is claimed that in _ Star Conflict OBT v 0.7.10 Update # 1 _ Reputation bonus from the Steam DLC now also increases loyalty gains:

[http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/page-6?hl=reputation+bonus#entry188152](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/18517-loyalty/page-6?hl=reputation+bonus#entry188152)

 

Still, the DLC text is selling different thing (reputation bonus). Could someone confirm if that bonus also increases Loyalty?

#5

Correct, the reputation bonus from the DLC is now useless.

I suggest they switch it to either a credits or a synergy bonus together with the loyalty bonus. 

#6

Thank you for your comprehensive clarification - this makes it very clear what you mean.

 

I will forward your concern.

#7

I think that earlier comment about the bonus applying to the loyalty is from time, when loyalty was received from a game.

 

I am getting actually one (1) LESS loyalty what the Contract tells me I should get :wink:

 

(e.g. Jericho lvl1 Contract says it gives 1080, but in actuality gives 1079 =D)

 

 

In any case, I’m quite sure the bonus does not apply to loyalty.

#8

I think that earlier comment about the bonus applying to the loyalty is from time, when loyalty was received from a game.

 

I am getting actually one (1) LESS loyalty what the Contract tells me I should get :wink:

 

(e.g. Jericho lvl1 Contract says it gives 1080, but in actuality gives 1079 =D)

 

 

In any case, I’m quite sure the bonus does not apply to loyalty.

it does, every Steams DLC applies commulative bonus of 10% to the loyalty (and use to reputation as well) and it still does, the fact that you have 1080 loyalty gain per “WIN” contracts tells that you have 3 DLCs and a Licence

#9

Thanks for the confirmation. So the actual reward for the Jericho’s 1st (win a battle) contract is without DLCs around 800-900?

(I assume there is some rounding involved).

 

The above -1 I’m mentioning seems to be just an error in the printout.

 

 

Still, the bonus is now not really what was sold. Big part of the bonus is now missing, as reputation is no longer used.

#10

Hi i’d really like to know whats happening with this as i really only bought the DLC for those bonuses

 

I know it wasnt totally their choice but how epically suspect that they implemented it just after a massive sale on steam on the DLC (and notice how they kept the pirate packs, which is unaffected by rep change, off of steam…).

seen this is to many games now, Fire sale followed by nerf

 

i say: change it to a cred bonus.

#11

Thank you for your comprehensive clarification - this makes it very clear what you mean.

 

I will forward your concern.

 

Why was this concern not thought of from a design perspective before the change? Also, why wouldn’t you change the wording immediately? In the business they call the use of false or misleading statements in advertising  false advertising.

 

Seeing as how I have commented exhaustively on the subject of Synergy and especially the impact this has on the DLC packages, I assume this will be rectified rather soon? If Synergy is going to stay as it is, how do I file for a refund? My Elite pack really means nothing anymore to me.

 

In case any Dev’s that review this thread don’t review any other threads, I’ll just point you back to here:

[http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/20628-star-conflict-obt-v-090-discussion](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/20628-star-conflict-obt-v-090-discussion)

#12

Hi i’d really like to know whats happening with this as i really only bought the DLC for those bonuses

 

I know it wasnt totally their choice but how epically suspect that they implemented it just after a massive sale on steam on the DLC (and notice how they kept the pirate packs, which is unaffected by rep change, off of steam…).

seen this is to many games now, Fire sale followed by nerf

 

i say: change it to a cred bonus.

 

Touché. Very good point. Always thought it was weird that they kept the DLC packs off of Steam and never once did I see a Dev comment on any of that despite questions in several “Pirate” threads. I seem to be seeing the pieces of the puzzle coming together quite nicely in the last few days…

#13

yes a large part of what you paid for in the DLC is now gone…and you will be politely told where to go if you dare ask for a refund like I was

#14

It’s funny StormRaiser that they locked the thread on Steam so no one else could comment after you…“silence the masses so they cannot formulate an educated opinion”. If history has told us anything about this kind of behavior before, we are all headed for trouble.

#15

It’s funny StormRaiser that they locked the thread on Steam so no one else could comment after you…“silence the masses so they cannot formulate an educated opinion”. If history has told us anything about this kind of behavior before, we are all headed for trouble.

they deleted my comment THEN locked the thread to be exact.

I have had more than a couple threads locked on me now… but I will not be silent…the people must know how they treat paying customers

#16

yes a large part of what you paid for in the DLC is now gone…and you will be politely told where to go if you dare ask for a refund like I was

 

 

For those that made the mistake of purchasing anything for this game I took the time to read the TOS in full. According to the terms this game is being run and governed under the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Accordingly you purchased a product that has since been changed. By doing so they have violated your rights under applicable Law in Virginia as well as Federal law. You can ask for and Steam/Gaijin/Star Gem must give a refund since they have fundamentally changed and diminished the product after your purchase without your consent. Failure to give a refund would be an act of of credit card fraud in most cases since most users on Steam use that method. There are other laws violated but the credit card fraud is easiest to prove and enforce. This is in accordance with the law of the Commonwealth of Virginia and US Federal law. Personally if I had made the mistake of buying one of these DLC packs I would be screaming bloody murder and filing credit card fraud charges with my credit card company. This is clearly a case of a company defrauding players with a bait and switch mentality.

 

Also of note is the continued excuse rolled out here in the forums that this is a beta. According to the TOS as written by Gaijin/Star Gem and as governed by the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia this is NOT a beta. it says this no where in the TOS and no where in the Steam pages or sales information. This also is another case of false advertising and/or bait and switch as well.

#17

thank you Zaptiah, I will have to look into whether the same laws apply in Australia

#18

Correct, the reputation bonus from the DLC is now useless.

I suggest they switch it to either a credits or a synergy bonus together with the loyalty bonus. 

 

reputation was used to rank up your main faction. now that that no longer applies, the fair thing to do on their end is replace it with the new thing that does ie. synergy

 

GS compensation is in order as well because it wasn’t addressed at patch release and required a community manager to actually forward the oversight.

 

I might just add that the replaced value MUST be higher than what it was before.

 

Reputation used to unlock multiple ships within a faction. Synergy only unlocks ONE ship at a time hence

 

+10% Reputation =/= +10% Synergy

 

I say +30% would be a closer exchange rate between the two

#19

A bit different. Indeed, bonuses are stacked. Yet, instead of reputation (which has practically became synergy now) you will now get bonus to loyalty. 

So, if you have 3 DLCs you will get the following stacked bonuses: +20% to synergy and +30% to loyalty.

This is in response to a question about DLC bonuses stacking and the functionality of these bonuses to reputation and loyalty post-patch 0.9.0

In addition:

 

It would be great if we saw the listings on Steam updated accordingly, to avoid any confusion and ambiguity.

 

Which lead to the following response:

Yes, we do understand that it is neccessary, yet it takes some time for Steam to apply all the updates.

I trust this sufficiently answers the questions in regards to the DLC bonuses.

#20

like i posted earlier +10% rep was worth more than +10% synergy now.