1 hour ago, SilverIris said:
But I’m assuming a normal random PvP.
I saw many wolfhound and tharga ppls dead by dedicated destroyers players by 1v1, yes with Singuarity cannon.
And I also countered some of Singurartiy fighters with Emperor by using my combo.
That means not all fighters with singurarity cannon kill dessies so easily.
Also fighter is not going to 1v1 with a destroyer but instead +1 dedicated engineer and a tackler that slows down the fighter.
Plus there is highly chance that they will use team speak to communicate their information, which is a disadvantage for surprise attacker.
(They will also ping specific player that is approaching and that will make other players to ready for an incoming surprise attack)
Ofc there are some counters and conters to this counters (and it also has a counter) but that’s how it should looks like
If someone plays bad on counter dessie or enemy have some counter for him then enemy are just better and nothing more it’s not like everything should be equal just because it has a counter
pvp is already a cancer, but staying in place just because we worry about balance didn’t make this mode any better
1 hour ago, SilverIris said:
Assume one team has 5 destroyer player and other team has 4 destroyer player and 1 non destroyer player.
One team has 5 chances to bring destroyers and other team has only 4 chances to bring destroyers cause one of them didn’t bring the destroyer.
Of course dedicated fighter player can annihilate the whole team but, once again I’m assuming a normal random PvP.
No, there would be max 3 dessies vs 3 dessies (at 12vs12) the rest would be on other ships so it’s not too much, maybe there could be a problem for one side for having less dessies than the other side but it’s still better than 8 dessies vs 8 dessies when you can do just nothing. And as I said pvp is a cancer so there can be one good zeta player that destroys a whole enemy team but there also can be a good fighter who will destroy a whole enemy team as well. So it’s more based on skill than on brainless zeta spam.
1 hour ago, SilverIris said:
Due to current PvP meta, there is a real disadvantage that one team has less chance to bring Ze’ta and R17 destroyers.
( Sadly this is true, since I had a lot of matches defeated by the swarm of Ze’ta and R17 dessies on the other side)
There always will be better side and worse no matter on what ships, but it’s much easier to counter 2 zetas than 8 and win even when your team have no dessies at all
1 hour ago, SilverIris said:
At first, players consider their defeat as their mistake or other reasons.
But as the time goes on, they find out that the team with more dessies has higher chance to win.
And the consequences? In someday, people consider player who didn’t bring Ze’ta or R17 dessies as the reason of the defeat and start to blame him or her.
The problem does not stop here: Players would tell newbie to bring Ze’ta or R17 dessies to play T5 random PvP match.
After that even dedicated players like u say “Dessies are not the problem”, majority of them would not listen.
Because that’s how they learn, they experience in T5 PvP.
There is a unwritten rule in pvp: the one who has better randoms wins. And no matter if they’re on dessies or gunships or any other class, I saw many times in seccon ppl that uses zeta with kai or halo vs other dessies and they’re unable to even hit and remember that randoms in seccon sux, but they’re still better than randoms in pvp so it’s not like “they don’t have dessie take one so we will win” but still like “they’re useless we can win this without getting tired” or “they’re too good we can’t win this”
And I’m not saying “dessies aren’t the problem”, a single or 2 dessies aren’t but 5 or more surely are that’s why we should nerf not quality, but quantity of dessies
And if someone wants to learn how to play a dessie why not to give him a chance? Just he need to play in group, there are so many newbies that they can make a group and play vs another newbies just there will be less dessies maybe they will finally learn how to play this game for real? not just in dessie (which most ppl do wrong anyway)