Change Sword S level up Command bonus to a range boost.

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Currently, the Sword S lacks the viability to compete truly effectively in high-tier PvP.

Outclassed by the Aura’s tanking, and with a level up bonus that has next to no use at all, players have no desire to use this ship. Most vets ignore it completely!

 

I propose the following suggestion to help with this:

 

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Changing bonuses isn’t unheard of - it happened recently to the Garm’s bonus. That too was useless and disliked.
I would like it to happen here as well. I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter!

2

Sounds reasonable to me. There’s a reason no one uses the Sword S. I’m not a command pilot, and I still know that it sucks.

3

Why are you only talking about the Sword S? this bonus is useless on every command(Katana, Spartacus, Axe-X S, Dragonfly) espiacally since they changed the way command mosules works and the pwoer consumption of 200 to 270en in T5 is compared to other T5 modules very low

4

Why are you only talking about the Sword S? this bonus is useless on every command(Katana, Spartacus, Axe-X S, Dragonfly) espiacally since they changed the way command mosules works and the pwoer consumption of 200 to 270en in T5 is compared to other T5 modules very low

The other ships have some other thing that makes them worthwhile. The Sword S, on the other hand, is more or less unplayable.

If the devs move forward with the change here, we can ask that they make the change elsewhere as well, and they will have concrete proof that doing so is a good idea.

 

Best to start the push on the ship with the most to gain from the change. :slight_smile:

5

I’d like either this or a module power boost.

6

I’d like either this or a module power boost.

The Aura and Saw One each get a strength bonus. T5 has no Command with Range Bonus.

7

Sounds like a really good idea.

8

i dont deem the sword-s to be unplayable, its a decent ship if you know how to use jerri fighters correctly, and the command energy bonus is not the best, true, but with the recent command module change it does make the ship very stable.

 

I more see an alternative in changing it to the katana-s similar bonuses, so even more energy regen.

The Excalibur in the end is way worse, than both swords, and compared to aura or saw-one, its no question, that command strength bonus is going to win the day in organized teams, especially because in T5 close range is way more risky, and aura has the strength bonus (while in t3, empi has only range bonus and jerri holds the strength bonus with the strong)

 

after all i see this change as okay if it happens, but it will not change much on the ship imho;

9

agree with KT

10

i dont deem the sword-s to be unplayable, its a decent ship if you know how to use jerri fighters correctly, and the command energy bonus is not the best, true, but with the recent command module change it does make the ship very stable.

 

I more see an alternative in changing it to the katana-s similar bonuses, so even more energy regen.

The Excalibur in the end is way worse, than both swords, and compared to aura or saw-one, its no question, that command strength bonus is going to win the day in organized teams, especially because in T5 close range is way more risky, and aura has the strength bonus (while in t3, empi has only range bonus and jerri holds the strength bonus with the strong)

 

after all i see this change as okay if it happens, but it will not change much on the ship imho;

The Excalibur gets 3 shield slots, a shield resistance bonus, and a kinetic weapon bonus making it great for Gauss (especially with 3 CPU slots too). It’s slightly more fragile on the diffusion, but overall the ship has merit in its use.

 

The Sword (13) is simply a Jericho version of a Fed gunship, with a diffusion shield. It has good bonuses and modifier layout to support that as well.

 

But that doesn’t really leave much room for a linear Command in the Jericho lineup, outside the Saw One. Plus there’s no T5 Command with a Range bonus, despite there being one in T2, T3, and T4. (though the T4 is frustratingly Premium)

I’d rather not be forced to use a Secret Project to get a ship role I need.

11

Either the Lance S or Spartacus should have the range perk as well. Sword S is practically useless to teamplay without the range as its not even that strong a ship.

12

Na, its nonsense, the Sword S is a good ship. You normally use it with a Phaser?, this special weapon for Commands. You need the two CPU slots. There were few pilots who flew it like that though, since Command is rarely flown anyway by pros. I think some guy named Anauriak or such, and me and my buddies. Sword S is meant to do damage, which it dies better than empire one. It is fragile though.

 

If u are interested i can give you the build, though its an old one and might not fit any more.

 

The Excalibur …only thinking to fit a Command with Gauss is giving me headache but Assault might work.

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i dont deem the sword-s to be unplayable, its a decent ship if you know how to use jerri fighters correctly, and the command energy bonus is not the best, true, but with the recent command module change it does make the ship very stable.

 

I more see an alternative in changing it to the katana-s similar bonuses, so even more energy regen.

The Excalibur in the end is way worse, than both swords, and compared to aura or saw-one, its no question, that command strength bonus is going to win the day in organized teams, especially because in T5 close range is way more risky, and aura has the strength bonus (while in t3, empi has only range bonus and jerri holds the strength bonus with the strong)

 

after all i see this change as okay if it happens, but it will not change much on the ship imho;

Excalibur with rails is really great as front line command. It has really good shield tanking (as good as shield tanking can be) and a decent diffusion shield. The kinetic bonuses works wonders with rails. Just strap one horizon for more range and enjoy.

 

Sword S is great with Phaser thanks to the weapon damage bonus. It also has better diffusion tank thanks to the hull slot. But the range aura will be better than the current bonuses to energy consumption.

 

I refuse to answer the poll because is biased.

 

My answer is something in this lines. “I don’t fly the Sword S because I like more the Excalibur layout and bonuses” But I think the bonus change idea is great to give him a more prominent role outside of the current Aura and Saw One spam.

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The Excalibur gets 3 shield slots, a shield resistance bonus, and a kinetic weapon bonus making it great for Gauss (especially with 3 CPU slots too). It’s slightly more fragile on the diffusion, but overall the ship has merit in its use.

 

The Sword (13) is simply a Jericho version of a Fed gunship, with a diffusion shield. It has good bonuses and modifier layout to support that as well.

 

But that doesn’t really leave much room for a linear Command in the Jericho lineup, outside the Saw One. Plus there’s no T5 Command with a Range bonus, despite there being one in T2, T3, and T4. (though the T4 is frustratingly Premium)

I’d rather not be forced to use a Secret Project to get a ship role I need.

 

Exactly, the Excalibur is like a Strong, but kinetic biased, without the strength of module bonus; You have to sacrifice shields for energy, to get a good diffusion tank. It’s flimsy, beyond those nice shields. Reminds of a Dragonfly.

 

The Sword-S is much more versatile in speed or diffusion, which are more important for the T5 meta, while keeping a good shield fit, having two cpus and nice damage bonus.

 

It is by far the better ship of the two, except you go solo, which probably was the intent as most T5 premiums are open space oriented, where the Excalibur is much more useful, given you have the time to retreat or be less involved in the main fighting. Well as far as commands are useful that way… In a big team of course the shield is also nice, so yeah. It maybe comes a bit down to playstyle aswell here.

Both are however, not as good, as jerri fighters are in relation in earlier tiers, unlike the sword, which does excel for its rank, but ultimately, is no mainline command.

Generally, fighters of Jericho are weaker in T5 in many aspects compared to what happens in the other factions over time.

 

So, yeah, as said, I agree that the Sword-S would benefit from this change, in its role, but for the ship itself, its neither the weakest T5 command atm. while of course also not really among the best; And that would not change :slight_smile:

15

Excalibur with rails is really great as front line command. It has really good shield tanking (as good as shield tanking can be) and a decent diffusion shield. The kinetic bonuses works wonders with rails. Just strap one horizon for more range and enjoy.

 

Sword S is great with Phaser thanks to the weapon damage bonus. It also has better diffusion tank thanks to the hull slot. But the range aura will be better than the current bonuses to energy consumption.

the sword-s does great, it is basicly a katana-s, so it does really nice tank if you are good with the command modules timing, and use some of the fits which start with that ship; I personally fly it like Tesla fitted the Kat-S and its ridiculously good in ambushing, and it was also a decent ion mid-range platform, with my old kat-s fit.

I prefer Phasers on an Aura, since its a positron with bubble mode, Sword-S has much bigger potential as ion ship or any other damage weapon.

 

True, for rails, the Excalibur “rocks”, but why not go Gunship with that. Especially in times of Havoc clouds, the much less steady frontlines of T5, its still just a shieldtank, and rails are quite unhappy with ping. It’s not like I don’t like that ship either, but the weapon bonus is really its downside, especially since I prefer rails with lots of overheat modules. Also, it is basicly asking for a cruise gauss shield bubble fit aswell, so it does has its niches, undeniably. :slight_smile:

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I use rails on my aura. I love the damage you can get out of them :slight_smile:

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the sword-s does great, it is basicly a katana-s, so it does really nice tank if you are good with the command modules timing, and use some of the fits which start with that ship; I personally fly it like Tesla fitted the Kat-S and its ridiculously good in ambushing, and it was also a decent ion mid-range platform, with my old kat-s fit.

I prefer Phasers on an Aura, since its a positron with bubble mode, Sword-S has much bigger potential as ion ship or any other damage weapon.

 

True, for rails, the Excalibur “rocks”, but why not go Gunship with that. Especially in times of Havoc clouds, the much less steady frontlines of T5, its still just a shieldtank, and rails are quite unhappy with ping. It’s not like I don’t like that ship either, but the weapon bonus is really its downside, especially since I prefer rails with lots of overheat modules. Also, it is basicly asking for a cruise gauss shield bubble fit aswell, so it does has its niches, undeniably. :slight_smile:

The Katana S has a 45% energy boost, compared to the Sword S’s 25%.

That’s a very significant difference.

 

The argument here is less about the overall viability of the Sword S (though the majority seems to find it poor) and instead arguing that the Energy Consumption bonus is negligible and thus hurts the viability of the ship. Thus the request for a bonus change to range, as no T5 Command has such a bonus. It wouldn’t make the Sword S the ‘best’ command in T5, and that’s kind of the point - it just makes it so the ship has a viable reason to be ran alongside the other Commands. Each other one has a viable use, while the Sword S is more or less outclassed by the other T5 Commands.

 

The Sword-S is much more versatile in speed or diffusion, which are more important for the T5 meta, while keeping a good shield fit, having two cpus and nice damage bonus.

The Sword 13 is a  far  more effective speed and/or diffusion-based ship than the Sword S. In addition to a substantial Rotation bonus, it even gets to function with all modifiers dedicated to non-CPU slots, which means you have much more space to work with on things like maneuverability, damage, capacitor, etc.

 

The Sword S pales in comparison there.