beryllium and neodium, and WTF is going on

Game Discussion Levelling and Economy
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1 hour ago, nethercosmus said:

i think they even nerfed the thing you could continue getting ship components after already having the ship, cause i bought Palom, kite-e, ghost along with all premium t1’s long time ago when those were all rank 3 and not 5 (like kite-e and ghost now) and already have them… and went to play some rank 3 co-op and pvp to see if some rank 5 component would drop which would automatically turn into monocrystals, didnt get any component again. I was dropping Reaper and Phoenix before, but will test again iff they rly nerfed that.

If you want to get R8 parts, play with R8 fully maxed ships. You wont get R5/8 ship parts with R3 ships (those monos you got are from palom parts turned into monocristals).

EDIT (for Lord_Xenon post below): Low tier ship components arent converted into monos, but they used to for a while. Now they grant vouchers.

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Low tier ship components(r5-) doesn’t get converted to monos. Only higher ones(which makes sense).
Ways to get monos:
Daily PvE win(very rare).
Destroyer ‘Andromeda’ Spec Ops T4/5(rare).
Daily OS missions.
Excess of ship components(higher rank + uncommon).
Daily suicide - eh SCL mission(15 points in the match).
Monos in container in OS(ultra rare from smugglers/transporters).

To give an overview: 10 Firesupports give me ~3-4 ship components from the total 40 loot changes(no premium but 4 full R8 ships).

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55 minutes ago, Papitas said:

If you want to get R8 parts, play with R8 fully maxed ships. You wont get R5/8 ship parts with R3 ships (those monos you got are from palom parts turned into monocristals).

EDIT (for Lord_Xenon post below): Low tier ship components arent converted into monos, but they used to for a while. Now they grant vouchers.

yeah i know, sry was a typo rly, but im refering to: with rank 3 you also drop rank 3 ship components (to craft Palom) i already have palom (the only rank 3 of said components) and i am not droping palom components,playing rank 3 only, with palom itself.  Itried several times here… as i tried with reaper and phoenix at rank 8 only. i am doing that exactly for more monos, as im not dropping,did they nerf that too?

 

41 minutes ago, Lord_Xenon said:

Low tier ship components(r5-) doesn’t get converted to monos. Only higher ones(which makes sense).
Ways to get monos:
Daily PvE win(very rare).
Destroyer ‘Andromeda’ Spec Ops T4/5(rare).
Daily OS missions.
Excess of ship components(higher rank + uncommon).
Daily suicide - eh SCL mission(15 points in the match).
Monos in container in OS(ultra rare from smugglers/transporters).

To give an overview: 10 Firesupports give me ~3-4 ship components from the total 40 loot changes(no premium but 4 full R8 ships).

Ah thanks for resuming.I miss that time in early Invasion, right at start of open space you found more monos at transports,even at rank 7 maps (they reduced drop too hardly much,and was an additional motivation for even playing OS) , and daily assignments gave 2 monos + 1 with license. was more reasonable.
pve and pvp from rank 7 and above drops monos for me sometimes, but its pretty rare.

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Maybe it’s automatically converted? Check your loyalty please before and after each battle. It could even be a bug involved for not getting anything with hitting this lootpool(haven’t tried farming for Archelon ship components after having it) so I can’t say anything related to excess of ship components.

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7 hours ago, Lord_Xenon said:

I dislike the pricing methods of the recent premium(changes) too. Doesn’t change the fact that there are extraordinary expections. Why do you think you need those ships? Currently they are like other ships. You can grind(to or for them). And one thing: You seem to forget, that they are already leveled out. So no leveling needed for them. Take those hours out of the grind.

Destroyers are like other ships ? No, it’s a new class. There is absolutely no other ship like them. And they aren’t already leveled. 

 

For premiums, they are different in many way too (new items made for them). It’s okey since in the long term they plan to rework ALL ships like that.

But destroyers, they are really overpriced.  Farm for 3 month, I call that pay2win since nobody will ever bear it until the end. It’s a game, not a job.

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6 hours ago, Swifter43021 said:

Destroyers are like other ships ? No, it’s a new class. There is absolutely no other ship like them. And they aren’t already leveled. 

 

For premiums, they are different in many way too (new items made for them). It’s okey since in the long term they plan to rework ALL ships like that.

But destroyers, they are really overpriced.  Farm for 3 month, I call that pay2win since nobody will ever bear it until the end. It’s a game, not a job.

Destroyers right now are in the complete wrong place in regards to time taken to make one. A Rank 8 Destroyer is a rank 8 ship, it should not takes as long, if not longer to gather all the required materials than a Secret Project ship.

To put this into context this is what my opinion was before the Permium reworks inflated the loot pool for R8 and the drop rate for Beryllium was nerfed:

well, here’s the thing. Before the loot was put into the trophy search loot pool I could get 1-2 Beryllium in an hour in open space. Now I can get 5-8. In perspective, the grind is the same as before just the numbers are bigger now.

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One thing I think we all can agree on. Something needs to be done with the loot drops for these 3 important items.

I see an overwhelming response to saying the current drop rate is not enough.

Some of you got lucky, but the vast majority of us got burned by the random numbers game.

 

People with a third of the battle time I have in this game have way more than I do. I have spent a fortune on this game to not have an r11 desie. Now we have r14’s coming out soon.

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@Swifter: You guy have no clue what you are talking about. Pay2Win is content you only access with paying. Also currently the DLC content(ships from it) is it. Not the destroyer. With payment you only advance.
To make some notes: I have 1 R8 destroyer and 1 R11 destroyer. I even have more as enough mats for a second R8 destroyer. Yes I participated in the events for them. An event for ALL. After you have done such event, you could build to 96% one. And even after the event I collected enough mats(280 neo + 20 plates) for a second one. So you can’t blame the devs if you seem not to come by with the mats. OS was indirect nerfed because of the Q.Q babies wanting resources in the lootpool of PvE/P.
Did the OS-pilots get in return ship components? NO.
We CAN’T farm ship components.
We CAN’T farm Monocrystals as you can(excess ship components of Rx+).

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5 hours ago, MassHomicide said:

People with a third of the battle time I have in this game have way more than I do. I have spent a fortune on this game to not have an r11 desie. Now we have r14’s coming out soon.

Thats why you gotta make sure to complete the most missions from these kinds of events: broker for this occasion ![:D](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/006j.png “:D”) (i agree with whats not quoted)

49 minutes ago, Lord_Xenon said:

@Swifter: You guy have no clue what you are talking about. Pay2Win is content you only access with paying. Also currently the DLC content(ships from it) is it. Not the destroyer. With payment you only advance.
To make some notes: I have 1 R8 destroyer and 1 R11 destroyer. I even have more as enough mats for a second R8 destroyer. Yes I participated in the events for them. An event for ALL. After you have done such event, you could build to 96% one. And even after the event I collected enough mats(280 neo + 20 plates) for a second one. So you can’t blame the devs if you seem not to come by with the mats. OS was indirect nerfed because of the Q.Q babies wanting resources in the lootpool of PvE/P.
Did the OS-pilots get in return ship components? NO.
We CAN’T farm ship components.
We CAN’T farm Monocrystals as you can(excess ship components of Rx+).

Very true as well. I was able to build 2 T3 destroyers, mk5 meson T3 and a T4 destroyer without any premium thing except for spat scanner (and i didnt take more than a month for all that). Then drop chances got severely nerfed, i took months to be able to gather resources for a 2nd T4 destroyer while using premium license and DLC bonus (and some bundle purchases too). For the first instance the drop was too high, for the second it was too low…we need a middle point.

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1 hour ago, Lord_Xenon said:

@Swifter: You guy have no clue what you are talking about. Pay2Win is content you only access with paying. Also currently the DLC content(ships from it) is it. Not the destroyer. With payment you only advance.
To make some notes: I have 1 R8 destroyer and 1 R11 destroyer. I even have more as enough mats for a second R8 destroyer. Yes I participated in the events for them. An event for ALL. After you have done such event, you could build to 96% one. And even after the event I collected enough mats(280 neo + 20 plates) for a second one. So you can’t blame the devs if you seem not to come by with the mats. OS was indirect nerfed because of the Q.Q babies wanting resources in the lootpool of PvE/P.
Did the OS-pilots get in return ship components? NO.
We CAN’T farm ship components.
We CAN’T farm Monocrystals as you can(excess ship components of Rx+).

I know what P2W is.   But right now some ships require to farm for one year (Brokk ?) if you don’t want to pay. Even a r14 destroyer with the current droprate take around 3 months. 

What’s the next step ? 3 Year of farming ? 

The time needed is so huge, that you can’t say you can get it for free. Who will play 2-4 hours a day of doing the same thing in a mode/ship they don’t like for so long, to get ONE ship ? Nobody.

Even by having a lot of fun, players usually don’t stay for so much time.

Funier is that even if you can bear farming for months, by the time you get it, there’ll probably be something new that you may now want instead of the old one, or a huge nerf, or whatever. And if you want to change for what you’re farming, you have to restart from 0 again because you need a different currency (and it works with both destroyers and premiums).

 

Take clash of clan. You can get everything for free. After 3 years of farming, of course, but you can get it for free. 

And if you want, you can get it in a much, much shorter amount of time if you pay. How do they call that in the game ? Pay to win. It’s to the point that if you don’t pay, you can’t reach end game content.

SC is close to this.

 

 

 

Okey, there were an event for destroyers when they came out, to get it faster. But so what ? The event isn’t permanent. You can’t use an event as reference to say “You can get them for free”.

And don’t forget that they nerfed both the amount needed AND the droprate by a lot. 

 

 

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Best solution would be if Broker missions came back, where u got Neo and stuff.

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One corpmate grindet the way to brokk after 1-2 month.
I grinded (with parallel leveling of course) in 3 month to archelon.
Can’t say it takes extrem long.
1 Year for Brokk? It sound more like a motivation issue of you. I can say for sure that you need less than 4 month for the brokk. Even with RL and all that candy.

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It’s Mill who said he started when the ship came out, and was out 170 out of 400, so that he needed approximately one year.

 

 Somes maths :

Considering you win one part every 2 wins and win once every 2 battles, you need 4 battles to get a part playing a r13 ship.

You need 400 parts, so around 1600 battles.

A battle last around 8 minutes, with 2-5 minutes of queue, so around 11 minutes per battle.

1600 battles per 11 minutes -> 290 hours.

 

Assuming you play 2 hours a day, doing all your daily (Mono, PvE, missions, blabla depending on the events) or having a bit of fun, you get 1h of farming (if not less) per day.

So you need 290 days to build your brokk, so nearly 10 months.

 

Of course it’s assuming you never miss a single day or get bored. 

And of course, it’s because Brokk is the only r13 ship available. Multiply the time needed per the ship available at r13. And there will be at least 2 (Mauler).

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23 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:

It’s Mill who said he started when the ship came out, and was out 170 out of 400, so that he needed approximately one year.

 

 Somes maths :

Considering you win one part every 2 wins and win once every 2 battles, you need 4 battles to get a part playing a r13 ship.

You need 400 parts, so around 1600 battles.

A battle last around 8 minutes, with 2-5 minutes of queue, so around 11 minutes per battle.

1600 battles per 11 minutes -> 290 hours.

 

Assuming you play 2 hours a day, doing all your daily (Mono, PvE, missions, blabla depending on the events) or having a bit of fun, you get 1h of farming (if not less) per day.

So you need 290 days to build your brokk, so nearly 10 months.

 

Of course it’s assuming you never miss a single day or get bored. 

And of course, it’s because Brokk is the only r13 ship available. Multiply the time needed per the ship available at r13. And there will be at least 2 (Mauler).

Is there any broker mission to get brokk parts? And yes, the grind is high.

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10 minutes ago, ntboble said:

Is there any broker mission to get brokk parts? And yes, the grind is high.

Well, the broker mission give a random item, and you need 10 wins per day.

So in a basis of 2 hours a day, even if you forget all the daily, you have barely enough time. 

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3 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:

Well, the broker mission give a random item, and you need 10 wins per day.

10 wins represent more then you have time in 2 hours, so not enough time.

Ugh 10 wins is so painful…even though I do PVE. I’ve only bothered to do it twice.  The 5 wins for Rank 5 is much quicker and should be the case for everything.

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23 minutes ago, Phalnax811 said:

Ugh 10 wins is so painful…even though I do PVE. I’ve only bothered to do it twice.  The 5 wins for Rank 5 is much quicker and should be the case for everything.

In the beginning I used to do those 10 mission things for brok cards and would get brok cards in loot after most wins. Thats was not as bad as it is for me now.

 

31 minutes ago, Swifter43021 said:

Well, the broker mission give a random item, and you need 10 wins per day.

So in a basis of 2 hours a day, even if you forget all the daily, you have barely enough time. 

Now I only get the brok cards for the 10th win, and never see them in loot drops. Not sure I am the only one, but that also seems like a direct nerf to me. If this is not for everyone then a dev seriously needs to look at my account and help me, because I think my account has been bugged in the worst way.

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6 hours ago, MassHomicide said:

In the beginning I used to do those 10 mission things for brok cards and would get brok cards in loot after most wins. Thats was not as bad as it is for me now.

 

Now I only get the brok cards for the 10th win, and never see them in loot drops. Not sure I am the only one, but that also seems like a direct nerf to me. If this is not for everyone then a dev seriously needs to look at my account and help me, because I think my account has been bugged in the worst way.

Really strange. Which ships are you using? Do you get any other ship parts? I feel it’s not going to be easy for me, but i try to play some rank 8 battles to check that tomorrow.

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3 hours ago, ntboble said:

Really strange. Which ships are you using? Do you get any other ship parts? I feel it’s not going to be easy for me, but i try to play some rank 8 battles to check that tomorrow.

All r13 ships just as I am instructed to do. All max synergy. The only cards I get is for completing the objective which is the 10th win. I do not get cards for anything in loot any more. I also don’t get iridium often anymore.

I pretty much have given up on the game. I only come in and do my daily broker and mono missions. I don’t bother to chase 10 wins. One or two ship cards is not worth 20 or so battles when you need 600 of them. I say 20 or so battles because I often join battles that are already lost before I got there.

I have the suspicion my account was tweaked against me long ago. Anyone who is up on the DrDeath story knows I have a rep for upsetting the GMs including some devs.

Like I said in an earlier post. People with less than a third of the time I have, beat by miles in ship progression and have much less other stats like w/l kills assist and so forth. Yet they have all the ships I don’t have yet plus the ones I do.

 

 

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5 hours ago, MassHomicide said:

All r13 ships just as I am instructed to do. All max synergy. The only cards I get is for completing the objective which is the 10th win. I do not get cards for anything in loot any more. I also don’t get iridium often anymore.

I pretty much have given up on the game. I only come in and do my daily broker and mono missions. I don’t bother to chase 10 wins. One or two ship cards is not worth 20 or so battles when you need 600 of them. I say 20 or so battles because I often join battles that are already lost before I got there.

I have the suspicion my account was tweaked against me long ago. Anyone who is up on the DrDeath story knows I have a rep for upsetting the GMs including some devs.

Like I said in an earlier post. People with less than a third of the time I have, beat by miles in ship progression and have much less other stats like w/l kills assist and so forth. Yet they have all the ships I don’t have yet plus the ones I do.

 

 

It can be checked easily. I have 2 computers in the same room to play SC. I get almost the same number of ship parts on both computers after the first 5 battles. You only need another player to check your suspicion. Both with the same ships, but it seems a weird punishement to me. It has to be another reason.