New video from SCL. I though, may be call it wallet warfare ;D
36 minutes ago, xlMaXlx said:
New video from SCL. I though, may be call it wallet warfare ;D
IT IS wallet Warfare! F2P, but also P2W, both claims are correct!
Not because of Destroyers, but because of Ellydium ships. It seems, that you only need very low ping and Thar’Ga, almost with no help.
We can probably expect more additional buffs in the upcoming update, because of “statistics”.
Thar’Ga should be renamed to Gree’Da.
If you want to farm, wait for Farm’Aa.
If you want to spend more money, wait for Mon’Eyda.
Probably 6-8 months with a license for each ship, if not even more.
Tell me, xIMaXIx, is Thar’Ga perfectly balanced the way it is?
Does it need any nerfs, at least in some areas, or maybe the opposite, more buffs?
Destroyers are like butter. 4-5 seconds and they were gone. I can’t do that alone with any Secret Project ship. They feel obsolete now.
Thank you for your answers!
P.S.: I am waiting for Eng’Lana, but I also want Milf’Ana.
10 minutes ago, Koromac said:
Tell me, xIMaXIx, is Thar’Ga perfectly balanced the way it is?
Does it need any nerfs, at least in some areas, or maybe the opposite, more buffs?
Destroyers are like butter. 4-5 seconds and they were gone. I can’t do that alone with any Secret Project ship. They feel obsolete now.
Balance is very edgy thing.
1st you make theoretical balance, that is what mostly all the people do - if something x2 faster, then it should have x2 less hp/dmg etc. That is very simple math, but , practice (and statistics) will eventually show, that some content/strategy are more dominant to others. There is a lot of factors, that you don’t count in theory.
Then we come with empiric/experimantal testing - and if those test show, that Thar’ga isn’t this good, despite mathematical balance (or even op in theory), then theory failed - because practice > theory. We make ships, so that majority of players can you them successfully, not for theorycrafting.
So actually you, The Supreme Court of SC players , decide if this ship op or not. If it’s actually op in practice - that pretty much everyone smash everything on it - then yes, there will be nerfs.
No one will nerf ship, just because Milf/Me. We are part of statistics, a very small part of it.
Sigh, that’s the thing, they are getting the statistics based on averages, many Thar’Gas are quite bad, so they get buffed just because of the incapability of the player, while the ones that are “good” can profit off the buffs, It doesn’t matter how many gold bars you thrown off the window, if you are still not good at the game you don’t really deserve to top the leaderboards, period.
17 minutes ago, xlMaXlx said:
Balance is very edgy thing.
1st you make theoretical balance, that is what mostly all the people do - if something x2 faster, then it should have x2 less hp/dmg etc. That is very simple math, but , practice (and statistics) will eventually show, that some content/strategy are more dominant to others. There is a lot of factors, that you don’t count in theory.
Then we come with empiric/experimantal testing - and if those test show, that Thar’ga isn’t this good, despite mathematical balance (or even op in theory), then theory failed - because practice > theory. We make ships, so that majority of players can you them successfully, not for theorycrafting.So actually you, The Supreme Court of SC players , decide if this ship op or not. If it’s actually op in practice - that pretty much everyone smash everything on it - then yes, there will be nerfs.
No one will nerf ship, just because Milf/Me. We are part of statistics, a very small part of it.
Good information but the thing that people don’t seem to get is that its not milf/you it is the ship. I have gone up against milf plenty of times before this tharga was released and never said, “oh great, its milf, time to be one shotted, die, respawn and repeat 5 seconds later”. In fact I haven’t said that ever until this. So the player, yes, plays a part in it being op but not so much as it shouldn’t get a nerf.
Consider this; how long do you think that we can continue on this way? Everyday at the times milf/you play then we either have to chance it in hopes we don’t face you, play t3 or lower, play pve/coop or don’t play at all. And as far as milf/you, its also Eugene and probably others and they are just as difficult. They say outmaneuver lol ok, tried it in ecm still one shot just took a bit longer and I still didn’t do anything other than just take time away from the inevitable…
52 minutes ago, xlMaXlx said:
Balance is very edgy thing.
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It is not.
Balance was intentionally broked in order to let people spends for more.
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So actually you, The _Supreme Court of SC players , _decide if this ship op or not. If it’s actually op in practice - that pretty much everyone smash everything on it - then yes, there will be nerfs.
No one will nerf ship, just because Milf/Me. We are part of statistics, a very small part of it.
It will not get nerfed. They will introduce something more op and behind a paywall just to milk people’s wallets even more.
Both of you are not op, neither your ping is. Just _ your money became op _.
Laaaaaame.
32 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:
It is not.
Balance was intentionally broked in order to let people spends for more.
It will not get nerfed. They will introduce something more op and behind a paywall just to milk people’s wallets even more.
Both of you are not op, neither your ping is. Just _ your money became op _.
Laaaaaame.
I fear that they will deny it and say this:
17 minutes ago, Koromac said:
I fear that they will say this:
Time will fix everything. One day we will laugh hard at those people just like we are laughing hard to Us/russian citizens who have to stay in Trumplandia or Putinville. Oh wait, we are already doing that!
14 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:
Time will fix everything. One day we will laugh hard at those people just like we are laughing hard to Us/russian citizens who have to stay in Trumplandia or Putinville. Oh wait, we are already doing that!
Don’t forget Nietopia
2 hours ago, Spongejohn said:
Balance was intentionally broked in order to let people spends for more.
Balance let people spend more, since it make every ship reasonable to purchase, unlike situation, where you have to buy only 1 ship. If balance would not be commercially viable, it would not be a thing, just like literally any other thing in out world.
2 hours ago, Spongejohn said:
Time will fix everything. One day we will laugh hard at those people just like we are laughing hard to Us/russian citizens who have to stay in Trumplandia or Putinville. Oh wait, we are already doing that!
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Your logic look like
to me.
3 hours ago, xXThunderFlameXx said:
Sigh, that’s the thing, they are getting the statistics based on averages, many Thar’Gas are quite bad, so they get buffed just because of the incapability of the player, while the ones that are “good” can profit off the buffs, It doesn’t matter how many gold bars you thrown off the window, if you are still not good at the game you don’t really deserve to top the leaderboards, period.
I fully understand it, thats why i share videos and guides for SC. Once everyone will be aware of Thar’Ga/Dessies potential, we will move towards balance. Whining won’t solve anything.
3 hours ago, xXConflictionXx said:
So the player, yes, plays a part in it being op but not so much as it shouldn’t get a nerf.
Sure, but to make proper nerfs we need data - statistics data. Otherwise we can make things worse. And we need time to gather data. So far it’s less then a month since Thar’ga release.
3 hours ago, xXConflictionXx said:
Consider this; how long do you think that we can continue on this way?
We won’t play with players patience - new patches will come every month, but not more often then this.
2 hours ago, xlMaXlx said:
Balance let people spend more, since it make every ship reasonable to purchase, unlike situation, where you have to buy only 1 ship. If balance would not be commercially viable, it would not be a thing, just like literally any other thing in out world.
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You will find a lot of your soulmates here.Your logic look like
to me.
Wow we have got a russian hero here! Now tells me why you are not so harsh towards others on your own forums? Maybe 'cause you got censored? Free of speech much? ”)
Btw I like this, finally I can bash a p2w, low ping, arrogant, russisky player on a public place. Why you didn’t do it before?
Now tells me, how many of those 150 € (and only god know how many rubles, that amount should looks like, since your economy fall apart) you had to spend to get a Thar’ga in such a small time-table, were supplied by your “side jobs” for star conflict?
'cause I didn’t spend a single dime to get one of those ships, but you know… I still think it is blatantly, offensive pw2 ”)
Since the fact I cooperate with the translation, it doesn’t means I can’t criticize dev’s behave. Probably criticism towards authority is not what they teach you at schools, who knows?
“Once everyone will be aware of Thar’Ga/Dessies potential, we will move towards balance. Whining won’t solve anything.” What a nice way to leads the opinions toward your way… Once every one will see the potential! Better to say that “once everyone will have spend enough on it” Lol your naive statemantes sounds so bucolic and pure, while instead… Truth is, you came here to brag about your fresh new op, p2w, toy, and you pretend that we all should be that naive to not say a single word about it? Did the regime was that bad that makes you thinks like that? ”)
If you want to brag, don’t invite me to reddit, I’m not stupid enough to settle in that low minded environment. I Will always be here, if not with this account, maybe with another one, meanwhile: you should go back to your beloved/censored russian forum where you can brag about your fresh new bought toys all the times. )))))
And just to gives you a little hint about what should be “commercially viable” and what should not: if you destroy balance in an hardcore “easy to handle, hard to master” game to make “something” commercially viable, you are just a spoiled: sold “candy crush stuff” out there, Something that people get bored by pretty soon. While instead Star conflict were appreciated 'cause it was something totally different from all the other stuffs ,game industry can offer atm.
Too much nicely packed racism man, not cool 
It’s not his fault the ship is broken.
19 minutes ago, ORCA1911 said:
Too much nicely packed racism man, not cool
It’s not his fault the ship is broken.
Once you failed to let him understand he is bragging about a broken ship, once that guy do invites you to reddit (in my country it means “go to hell” more or less), once he did jokes about my “intellect” implying also a meme… racism is the only way.
But please, don’t think I’m racist, I just hate everyone. Country doesn’t matters.
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1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
Wow we have got a russian hero here! Now tells me why you are not so harsh towards others on your own forums? Maybe 'cause you got censored? Free of speech much?
I’m not harsh in general. I do argue a lot with ppl on ru forum too, since few of them think this ship is OP aswell. They don’t get the point, that this ship is truly OP if only majority will think that it is OP aswell. Classic voting system. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best we can make and use. I have no clue what is this “censorship” you talking about, you read “1984” articles too much.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
Now tells me, how many of those 150 € (and only god know how many rubles, that amount should looks like, since your economy fall apart) you had to spend to get a Thar’ga in such a small time-table, were supplied by your “side jobs” for star conflict?
SC forum isn’t really for political debates, but working IT in Russia will earn you 2-4k € per month , so you can freely spend money on digital goods. That’s not even close to what you can earn is USA for sure, but i’m not bragging about my “motherland” - we clearly have a lot of problems, but none of those you noted.
My jobs for SC are voluntary, though i have access to promo-accounts for movie making purposes.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
'cause I didn’t spend a single dime to get one of those ships, but you know… I still think it is blatantly, offensive pw2 ”)
Very well, but i don’t feel like grinding, neither Milf and others.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
Since the fact I cooperate with the translation, it doesn’t mean’s I can’t criticize dev’s behave. Probably criticism towards authority is not what they teach you at schools, who knows?
You can’t really believe, that there are people, that have different point of view, right? So much for shaming USSR.
There are people, that show above average perfomance on Thar’Ga. And there are people, that show below average perfomance on Thar’Ga ,if we compare them to their average on other ships.
And that why we need statistics. So that we can calculate those ppl, and understand what they need. If majority performs poorly with it - it’s clearly that we have to buff it, in order to make it more popular and easy to use.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
“Once everyone will be aware of Thar’Ga/Dessies potential, we will move towards balance. Whining won’t solve anything.” What a nice way to leads the opinions toward your way… Once every one will see the potential! Better to say that “once everyone will have spend enough on it” Lol your naive statemantes sounds so bucolic and pure, while instead… Truth is, you came here to brag about your fresh new op, p2w, toy, and you pretend that we all should be that naive to not say a single word about it? Did the regime was that bad that makes you thinks like that? ”)
I don’t see any “bragging”. I just show gameplay, so others can look and learn. I did a lot of videos on non-Ellydium ships, and i did show them to you aswell.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
If you want to brag, don’t invite me to reddit, I’m not stupid enough to settle in that low minded environment.
This quote is definition of bragging.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
I Will always be here, if not with this account, maybe with another one
That’s sad that you waste your precious time like that.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
Star conflict were appreciated 'cause it was something totally different from all the other games, industry can offer atm.
SC is still something totally different. And if we won’t constantly add new features and ships - that’s what will make game boring and commercially unviable.
1 hour ago, Spongejohn said:
Since in soviet’s gulags there are probably not enough stuffs to do in real life
Your clearly read a history book, and this is creditably, but how this have to do anything in 2017?
You should understand, there are million of people on Earth, and everyone have an opinion on any subject. And those opinion can differ naturally.
The problem is, that you just don’t care for others people opinions, while devs, using stats, analyze and count opinion of every single player in SC.
You mostly represent in yourself exactly what USSR (and now DPRK) was about.
43 minutes ago, Spongejohn said:
racism is the only way.
It’s not. Be careful with your thoughts.
Ion emitter on Achilles w/o Thar’Ga stuff
If the Thar’Ga is not OP and not p2w name me on ship that is as good as it to counter destroyers and is usable in T5 without month long grind(e.g. avaible for a couple of reachable resources and some synergy/credits)
Railgun Wolf (w/o Thar’Ga modules):
16 hours ago, John161 said:
If the Thar’Ga is not OP and not p2w name me on ship that is as good as it to counter destroyers and is usable in T5 without month long grind(e.g. avaible for a couple of reachable resources and some synergy/credits)
You will see soon ;D
On 26/1/2017 at 3:38 AM, ORCA1911 said:
You won’t get banned but tone it down a little,let it be.
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