wazgot + destroyer?

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5 hours ago, _terrorblade said:

Let’s not troll. I mentioned in my first post (which I’m assuming you didn’t read) I’m talking about good pilots not newbies who have bad builds and are out of position.

It sounds like you’re just trying to defend destroyers because you clearly don’t kill them in gunship, considering you couldn’t even dent my guard with your mjolnir.

i laught so hard thank you ![:007_2:](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/007_2.png “:007_2:”)

i don’t remember facing you with my mjolnir considering i haven’t use it recently but you eather got lucky or i was probably testing a specific build but let’s not get in to that.

i’m not defending dessy i’m just saying that in a similar situation a good pilot will just analize the situation and see if he can take them both out, a good pilot know what is it capable of and ofc if he don’t have the fitting ship he’ll not engage them or maybe just as a support role to cover a team mate that try to engage them

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The one where you started self destructing when I attacked you. I’m sure you’d remember

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But you where using a gunship not a guard ._. I remember that I could not hit you with my gauss yea

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Just now, EndeavSTEEL said:

But you where using a gunship not a guard ._.

I use an engineer to take out destroyers actually. My Styx and Spiral can either instantly kill a destroyer no matter how fast it is healed. Just use warp gate to approach without getting targeted, and overwhelm them with HB and EM torps, along with EC.

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Just now, TheDarkRedFox said:

I use an engineer to take out destroyers actually. My Styx and Spiral can either instantly kill a destroyer no matter how fast it is healed. Just use warp gate to approach without getting targeted, and overwhelm them with HB and EM torps, along with EC.

Ikr any ship do the trick now

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3 minutes ago, EndeavSTEEL said:

Ikr any ship do the trick now

Almost true. It takes real skill to do it with anything that’s not a complete tank, or can approach undetected. I mainly use engi because approach with warp gate is a super jump-scare for people. Especially when it opens up with absolutely everything and regenerates faster than you can damage it. XD

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14 minutes ago, TheDarkRedFox said:

Almost true. It takes real skill to do it with anything that’s not a complete tank, or can approach undetected. I mainly use engi because approach with warp gate is a super jump-scare for people. Especially when it opens up with absolutely everything and regenerates faster than you can damage it. XD

Yes as long you keep the surprise effect anything is possible ![:)](<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/001j.png “:)”)

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Btw can someone share their spiral build for anti destro action?

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2 hours ago, ORCA1911 said:

Btw can someone share their spiral build for anti destro action?

Gimmie till tonight. I have a jack in the box Spiral build.

Surprise! You’re dead.

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On 3.11.2017 at 3:19 PM, niripas said:

ECM + fast missile reload ship (Tai’kin or Thar’ga) make a quick work of such pair. I will not go into the details as it is our current SCL strategy,

what works in the SCL kindergarten does not always work in a regular game with 8-16 players on a team.

even taikin and ecm can’t just reliably walk over there.

only, if the destro is not surrounded by the team. which usually happens if you have a dedicated pairing (also usually happened, when you were part of such a duo back then with the brokk+vigi pairup). once such a pairup has an “escort force” it truly shows its tactical strength. and people tend to recognize this, and support it.

 

i don’t think, such a vigi is actually a strong move in a 5v5 ctb match anyway, it leaves 3 ships for escort, which means you would have to camp on the last beacon and at least get two caps before. the mode itself has less than the magic 7 units a team, which is more sportive than chaotic in any kind of game - and such a ship is definitely more a weapon to be used for crowd control.

 

the true strength of it is actually that they form a very hard to beat 2nd line, cause players to form up. most of the danger doesn’t just come from the vigi itself then. unfortunately, a vacuum cleaning vigi cant be ignored, like other destros, so you cant just enage the rest of the team effectively, leading to a lot of losses

and it makes a lot of sense anyway, it is the perfect usage of that ship.

 

i might suggest additionally therefore to try to communicate with the pugs, and try to move in as a whole. which is really hard to do unfortunately.

also, the downside is, that once the vigi is beaten, he can just respawn, even if at that point intercepting them might be easier.

 

so you would have to press really hard and finish objectives any way you can, since deaths/losses will harm you in most objective games most, and unfortunately, losing a single ceptor is worth just as much, as a vigi, in points.

 

what changed to the brokk+vigi is, that wazgots sometimes just dont wanna die fast enough, while the brokk in itself is rather easy to kill if you really focus it.

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4 minutes ago, g4borg said:

what works in the SCL kindergarten does not always work in a regular game with 8-16 players on a team.

(…)

i don’t think, such a vigi is actually a strong move in a 5v5 ctb match anyway

You don’t do a lot of Elite SCL, don’t you? Vigilant sitting on the beacon? What for? It would be a wasted player slot. SCL is different to normal PvP games and there are random teams going for 4x15 points - that is true. However there are also highly coordinated setups to which you have to develop a fitting counter. I just mentioned one. Does it always work? Of course not! However it is a valid tactic when you have a Waz’got, Vigilant doing the area denial and you have where to hide for the last 3-4 km.

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1 hour ago, niripas said:

Elite SCL

no, i do not, because its not elite, its just 5v5 CtB, and i played that enough when we had no players in higher tiers.

 

1 hour ago, niripas said:

Vigilant sitting on the beacon? What for? It would be a wasted player slot.

you dont get what i tried to say. i said, its not really a good choice as drop if you really give it an escort, because it leaves you to defensive play. which in ctb is only possible if you get a lead in beacons and kills.

otherwise yeah, it might be strong on its own in SCL, you know that better, but i can imagine it to be beatable with a ceptor counter, and nowhere as viable as it is in pub pvp

 

it will never be the same strength, as in a 12v12

where it really becomes a really strong strategy

and is not as easily defeated by a ceptor counter in that situation

 

however, i just had such a game today with deleted as vigi and a storm guy as his wazgot, and the enemy won by playing the objectives, since the vigi cant be everywhere, and most of the team will be around the vigi.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, g4borg said:

no, i do not, because its not elite, its just 5v5 CtB, and i played that enough when we had no players in higher tiers.

 

you dont get what i tried to say. i said, its not really a good choice as drop if you really give it an escort, because it leaves you to defensive play. which in ctb is only possible if you get a lead in beacons and kills.

otherwise yeah, it might be strong on its own in SCL, you know that better, but i can imagine it to be beatable with a ceptor counter, and nowhere as viable as it is in pub pvp

 

it will never be the same strength, as in a 12v12

where it really becomes a really strong strategy

and is not as easily defeated by a ceptor counter in that situation

 

however, i just had such a game today with deleted as vigi and a storm guy as his wazgot, and the enemy won by playing the objectives, since the vigi cant be everywhere, and most of the team will be around the vigi.

 

 

 

 

Whether you consider it elite or not is not important, its the place where the best teams play, what people not involved think is really irrelevant.

I wouldn’t get involved in balance discussion for competitive 5v5 if you don’t play it often + with the new ships. Personally, I don’t believe being able to play the old star conflict is useful for talking about current gameplay, only being good in the present matters for that.

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Don’t forget the 2 aimbots on engineers

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3 hours ago, Cr0 said:

Whether you consider it elite or not is not important, its the place where the best teams play, what people not involved think is really irrelevant.

if it makes you feel better.

it is also totally unimportant btw. what players think who are involved.

 

3 hours ago, Cr0 said:

I wouldn’t get involved in balance discussion for competitive 5v5 if you don’t play it often + with the new ships. Personally, I don’t believe being able to play the old star conflict is useful for talking about current gameplay, only being good in the present matters for that.

did you even read what i wrote?

i was talking about present balance in the public large games, so r15 queue

and why there the strat is so much more powerful, the more players there are

a counter which works in the closed environment of 5v5 ctb does not translate into those larger games

by the same logic, as you just mentioned in reverse

 

also the game modes didnt change, even with the new ships, nor would i try to argue about scl strategies anyway.

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Waz’Got is lit, but you must not forget that healing dessies takes energy, but you can equip passive armour and leak stabilizers just to nerf that out. However, a group of 3-6 can easily focus fire on you and the dessie. Under constant fire, even having healing personal healing items doesn’t save you all the darn time.

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Waz is OP and and that it still remains, is nothing but a testament to the unwillingness of the devs to properly balance this game…

 

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1 hour ago, Progenitor2 said:

Waz is OP and and that it still remains, is nothing but a testament to the unwillingness of the devs to properly balance this game…

 

How is Waz OP?

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1 hour ago, xKostyan said:

How is Waz OP?

How about five seconds invicibility for you + some ally?

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1 hour ago, xKostyan said:

How is Waz OP?

 

How about being the only Engineer that can utterly annihilate an entire enemy team with 1 module during certain maps?.

I’ve seen a Waz run into an entire team and pop the gravity, sending the whole enemy team into the walls exploding.

While other Engineers are nothing but paperplanes,

 

Also, it’s insane healing compared to the other Engineers.