Uninstalling the game, you guys screwed up way too hard

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hi , i’m ashamed of the waste of money for the one month premium account i took at the start of this month and i’ll never pay a cent again if you ppl from gaijin continue to kill this game

 

 

1-The game is now unplayable for me with the camera zoom… its the worst

2- the loot system … oh my god this thing is one of the worst system i ever saw in a game, and is TOTALLY pay to win.

 

don’t count on me to ever waste another peanut in this game… things going worse at every updates… i’m sad to go back to world of tanks coz  the dev team there are total as*holes, i tho gaijin would be better… but no…

 

bye

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Please use one of the existing topics.

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The current loot system is surprisingly familiar to the gambling mechanics of Pachinko parlors. Only, in this case, you don’t get any money back.

A better system would have had using actual money to make the salvaging 100% (since they’re the ones supporting the game anyway, right? Right?) and then having a scaling system for success rates through currency, where you pay more (sometimes much more) for a higher success rate (10%, 20%, 50%, etc.)

 

Mmm. Using GS should automatically extract the modules, for the current amount of GS you have to pay now. I lose 50 GS every time I try and extract a fairly good module and fail, and with little cash left this is absolutely ridiculous. Using a normal extraction team with a 10% chance? More like 5%. I go about 20 modules without extracting a single one, then get lucky. Fix this first, then give us the chance to pay credits for a higher success rate, maybe up to 60%? Come on, guys! You’re just ripping us all off!

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I stumbled upon this game because 1, it was listed as F2P. I thought, cool, I’ll check it out and if I like it, I’ll put cash into it, just as I do with Star Trek, Online, Hawken, and World of Tanks. It read the reviews and I liked the fact that it wasn’t a pay to win setup like some are. It was a pay to advance “faster”. However, it’s not that anymore. 

 

Things that need to be considered:

 

  1. If you want people to spend real cash, 100%, you need to provide them something worthwhile, 100%. 

 

  1. If you want to have people play the game, you need to allow them to progress in the F2P realm. This gets them interested enough to WANT to put cash into the game to get the fast track to items.

 

So, what makes the folks that designed this game, think, that people will want to spend cash for a chance to get something?

 

Look at it this way, if you go out and put $1.00 in a soda machine, you expect to get the soda that is labeled on the machine. Not a 30% chance of getting it.

 

If you see a menu at a restaurant and see a chicken sandwich, you expect to get a chicken sandwich, not a 30% chance to get anything at all.

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I agree to the author and want to explain with a bit more objective terms why I do.

 

PvE BEFORE:

6 loot attempts.
1 guaranteed green in PvE, rest would be gray with ~ 10% chance for another green or violet.

 

PvE NOW (without the few-day license that is currently active, of course):

6 loot attempts.

3 green or violet (remember, 5-6 green is ONLY due to license that will expire very soon), rest is gray.

10% chance to get a green == 1 green after at least 3 PvE mission on average. Extreme slap in the face to BEFORE.

30% chance -> 1 green per PvE mission on average, the same as BEFORE but you pay real money for it. Slap in the face again.

In case you fail looting you get more ingame currency from the gray trash BUT you also pay a lot more for repairs. Honstely, even without repairs (and you dont normally repair in PvE anyway) this does NOT AT THE SLIGHTEST offset the HUGE slap in the face I just mentioned. To have the exact same results as before you now have to pay extreme amounts of real money. And the chance to get the green is still comparatively low (1 in 3 chance).

 

 

 

In PvP this is even worse because the repair costs you definitely have there have been increased by A LOT.

Also the probability for greens is still low and yet you have to pay serious cash for a measly 1 in 3 chance to get anything worthwhile. I’m in EXTREME doubt that there are so many more greens now that the fail chance of 90/70% is offset.

 

 

 

I honestly hope the game will pay this insult dearly but to be honest and as seen in other games it is likely that most players can’t handle the easy maths necessary to see where this led us -> pay real cash for a worse experience than before.

 

 

Damn, and I really liked the gameplay so far.

The game has more speed, action and configurability of the ships than WoT, I really liked that. But now the devs have obviously fallen into the famous cash-trap… that’s simply damn stupid. Uninstalled :frowning:

 

 

I’m not a hater, though, and with some changes as the clever guy above this post mentioned, the game might be interesting enough again to reinstall it:

Firstly, without cash you have to have the EXACT same results as before. Not WORSE ones!!! That’s the most important point. It’s an extreme insult to think noone will notice this crap.

Secondly, WITH cash you can expect (near) guaranteed return. So modify the chances to 80-100%, but don’t do the same to the credit price because the one currently used is BY FAR too high. You can maybe (!) modify it by 150% when the chance goes up from 30 to 90%. Not more. Players aren’t so stupid not to calculate what 200 credits cost them, so don’t try to make them pay 200 each time for a insulting 1 in 3 chance! (well ok, most players aren’t…)

Thirdly, seriously lower the credit prices for Tier 1-3 because in those tiers noone in the right frame of mind will spend cash anyway. That’s because 1-3 take a short time to go through so there’s no use to spend cash on a T2 module you won’t be able to use 2 days later because now you’re using T3 ships.

And so on.

Please, put this game back on track before too many players have done the only sensible thing… thanks.

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With Crashing Every 2 mins and Teasing with purples the game is fairly not enjoyable

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Serious Guys come on Please fix the crashing every 2 mins

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With Crashing Every 2 mins and Teasing with purples the game is fairly not enjoyable

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Serious Guys come on Please fix the crashing every 2 mins

100k credits worth of loot and guy is complaining. I’ll take your broken loot and give you my 2k grays any day.

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I’m unable to even play from the removal of the manual login :(. Maybe I can login once the bad stuff is removed and it’ll be like nothing happened.

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100k credits worth of loot and guy is complaining. I’ll take your broken loot and give you my 2k grays any day.

 

Your greys are only worth 2K because the devs stealth nerfed the grey loot some patches ago, they used to be much more valuable.

I think the two things are seperate issues.

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Your greys are only worth 2K because the devs stealth nerfed the grey loot some patches ago, they used to be much more valuable.

I think the two things are seperate issues.

The point I’m trying to make is that your chance of getting purples is actually about the same with normal extraction. They just made it two-roll instead of one roll. And you get to choose if you really want a higher chance to get them or not.

 

Personally I played WoW for a long time, so I’m used to not getting purples that drop because many others need them as well. They often would go to people I never met before and will never meet again, so they’re lost for me for all bits and purposes without even money as compensation.

 

It’s all about the point of view. Glass can be half empty, or it can be half full.

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It’s all about the point of view. Glass can be half empty, or it can be half full.

 

This glass is all cracked and leaking and with every update someone is chopping off another bits…

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Just logged in and played having been away for work for a few days. The game is almost unplayable due to the camera change. then I notice after the 1 match I played the Loot chance has had a very serious change for the worse. I played PVE and have Lost the 1 good loot item I would get. Wow devs … just wow … are you trying to run off your customers? I am a recent new player that came here from Steam. I started right before the roll out of the .8 “patch”. I have also been reading the forums and see a lot of crap being talked about this being beta. The combination of “updates” that are destroying the game and the mentality that this is a beta so its ok is going to cost you players and money. Most directly in my case this latest “update” just cost you $149.97. How you ask? Let me break this down for you …\

 

First and foremost this is not a beta. I have read the TOS and there is nothing about this being a beta in there. Also This is being sold on Steam and there is no mention of a beta. Also the TOS specifically states that you are operating under the legal jurisdiction of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Guess what folks, your not a beta. You are selling a product on the market for profit and is being sold with the advertised understanding of a finished product for general public sale. that by the laws of the the Commonwealth of Virginia as well as overriding US federal law means you are not a Beta. This fact is creating a huge issue for you for people like me. For one this makes this smack of a scam to get my money. And if its not a scam it makes you seem highly unprofessional and poorly operated. All of which makes spending money a bad idea and is most certainly not confidence boosting.

 

Now move on to the game play. When I started playing this game was a blast. I loved it and made sure to log in a play and learn how everything worked. I was excited and looking forward to building my account. Then the update came out. I was at that time playing Jericho ships but boom you changed the whole bloody ship tree and made seriously big changes to most all ship roles and load outs. Now for me personally this wasn’t a deal breaker right away because I had just started so I didn’t really loose anything except my plans to progress. How it did affect me is made me VERY VERY happy I always wait to see how a free to play game is run BEFORE I spend money on it. It also got me on the forums here and got me reading. I started to realize that the Devs are not really listening to the community. Big mistake if your goal is long term viability in such a competitive market.

 

Then there were a few little changes, most likely from the massive deluge of complaints and anger over the “updates”. These were very annoying and frustrating. I really started feeling glad I had not spent real money yet. The changes were not good. They unbalanced game play and made the experience worse … a lot worse.

 

Now I log in this morning after being away on business and BAM … its basically unplayable. The field of view is a joke at best. I played one PVE at Tier 1with low level T1 ships and got nothing of any value for loot. I think I got approx 2-3000 credits total from the loot. That just makes you feel like you lost … even though you wont the match. It gives the feeling of … What was the point? Why bother if I wont receive a reward of any value to me.

 

Then I come into the forums just now to see what is going on and obviously see the damage. But also I see heavy handed moderating about the complaints. And that is the second you lost my $149.97. Its bad enough your screwing around with the game in such massive and apparently “knee-jerk reaction” fashion. But then I see threads locked because they posted a complaint. After all the foolish things I just cant justify rewarding you with my hard earned money for your obvious bad behavior.

 

You see I am one of your target customers. Its folks like me that keep companies like you in business. And I know a thing or two about keeping a business running as I own one myself. See you want folks like me as your core customer group. I just don’t have time to grind my way through for free. I am busy, I own and run and trucking company in the South East US and as a result I just don’t have the time to burn on a game. But I do have money to burn on a game … a lot of money for games actually. While pay to win is inherently wrong and unacceptable and WILL loose you customers and ruin this game FAST, pay to not have to grind is common and accepted. Having said that I wont pay for a chance. I pay for a product. I also don’t pay for something that will be taken away or changed later. All of which is specifically illegal in the Commonwealth of Virginia and the US for that matter.

 

 

You want to be a long term success? Pay attention to your community. People appear to have been very very upset for awhile about the mucking about you doing with all this massive changes to game play. Learn from the competitions mistakes. Others have done what your doing and done it very very wrong, so are you right now. Don’t imitate them learn and do it right. Don’t do stupid things that could be seen as potentially illegal. Paying gold standards bought with real money for a chance to get loot can be seen here as gambling. Gambling is highly frowned upon in our legal system and since this product you selling is governed by us law by your own design it is unwise to leave yourself liable like that … it is especially foolish when  the chance of loot is pissing off the community as well. Don’t make such massive changes to game. People are spending real money on something and changing it or taking it away is a very good way to get into legal trouble here as well. People like me that have the disposable income to spend but not the time also get highly offended if we feel like we got screwed. It is part of the reason I haven’t spent any money. I want to buy all the Steam DLC but really its just not worth the risk. your track record shows you will most likely make some massive foolish change and I will loose what I paid for. When that happens your getting sued plain and simple, I personally do not tolerate any BS with my money. This obviously is a crap-ton of hassle for a video game so … none of my money is what you get so I don’t have to worry about a hassle. When you make people feel secure that what they do matters and will LAST and you make it affordable and better yet inexpensive people like me will flood you with money. Until then this will be deleted off Steam and I will play some more free to play Tribes which I do spend money on, or maybe free to play Star Trek online … on which I also spend money. I’ll be back if you ever fix this game …

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And the amazing thing is, that they raised the repair cost to cope with the new loot gain, making the “more cash” you are getting dose not exist.

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And the amazing thing is, that they raised the repair cost to cope with the new loot gain, making the “more cash” you are getting dose not exist.

Depends on your deaths obviously. Though in the current “Be Strong, nuke the world” meta dying isn’t always about your skill as much as blind luck.

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Is it just me or did my comment about the game not working for about 2 months gone?

I’m I blind or are they really trying to hide their mistakes?

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Hey there! A couple of things to say/make clear:

 

  1. As far as I know crashing problem was fixed in the last hot fix.

  2. PvE is in work.

  3. Camera will be fixed. 

  4. And we are listening to you. It’s just that we try to listen to all of and not You personally. 

  5. If you think that something was seriously changed with DLC\Golden Ships in game - send us your feedback, we will look into it.

 

On that last part: Under the term feedback I mean the following: tell us about the ship you think has gotten worse. Tell us why. We will look into it. 

 

And about the camera - look forward to the update on it. 

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  1. Camera will be fixed.  

 

 

Do you know IF by fixed… which of the two options is closest to the best of your knowledge to what your saying there.

 

  1. Old Camera Restored?

 

  1. New Camera being tweaked again.
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what your saying there.

 

you’re

 

  1. And we are listening to you. It’s just that we try to listen to all of and not You personally. 

 

Like 90% or so people on this forum stated that they want the old camera back, or at least the ability to zoom out to the pre-patch levels. Not to mention other things (loot, nukes, etc). If as you’ve said you’re listening to us, then I see no problem, but I am hardly an optimist, so *somehow* I don’t have my hopes really high.

 

Edit:

 

@CensoredbyAdmin

Comes naturally with being English philology student. Not my fault. :c

Besides it was a funny pic.

/offtopic

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Do you know IF by fixed… which of the two options is closest to the best of your knowledge to what your saying there.

 

  1. Old Camera Restored?

 

  1. New Camera being tweaked again.

Second, it won’t be completely as it was, but better than now.

Russian and this forums will soon have an update in devblogs on that matter. 

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Ok, thanks for clarifying.

 

Valkyrie this is for you

 

“Your not doing what your supposed to do”

 

Don’t be a grammar xxxx. No one likes them, and it just means your life is so sad and miserable, that you have to point out the slightest flaws in everyone else’s life.