I can’t tell you how many times I have seen pilots in t5 games running a t1 or t2 ship. WHY??? Not only is it stupid, it is also detrimental to the team. Flying your t1 in a t5 battle is a surefire way of getting slaughtered, and getting little, if any effectiveness points.
There needs to be a tier cap for the upper tiers. No ships below rank 10 should be allowed into a t5 match, and no ships below rank 7 in t4. In these tiers, taking a t1 or t2 ship into the match almost always guarantees your team to lose (especially in t5 where the matches are never bigger than 6v6), and that is assuming that the other team has at least some brains not to take a t1 or t2. The matchmaker can look at the ships the player is running and base the queue on the highest ship in the loadout. This is a great system, as it prevents people from taking t5s into a t1 battle, but there isn’t a check in the reverse direction. If a pilot is running 3 t5 ships and a t1 ship, they matchmaker shouldn’t allow them to queue at all.
If you really want to synergize your t1/t2 ships, go down to t1/t2 where you belong and synergize them there. Not only will you earn more effectiveness points, you won’t be a detriment to your team. I only bring this up because some people have no common sense or brains, if they did, this wouldn’t be an issue.
If the game restricts ship useage in PvE because people whined and complained loud enough, there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for them to not do the same for PVP. Keep it to +/-1 tier.
I agree with the OP, I am sick and tired of how games have turned out in the last many weeks.
Too many bring lower tier ships into higher teirs, and it is not that these ships are fully synergised, they are not !
I am sick of losing because of stupid choices made by my teammates, lower tier ships is one, no fecking enginer (in teambattle, combat recon) is another !!
T3 game earlier, games choice for captain picks an unsynergised T2 command ship… seriously ! stupid choices.
While I too am in agreement that there may need to be some type of restriction on rank\tier level ships you can bring into T4 + lets not be too quick to place the blame nor anger towards these players as the saying goes “they may not know any better”.
Many of the players do not have the extensive battle experience or the knowledge base to understand the requirements of having somewhat energized and tier\rank compatible ships.
We have had in our gracious evolution of this game many occasions of mixed tiers so for many of these uneducated\knowledgeable players see no reason why not. It could be their favorite or only available ship and they may need to use every available slot. Hey I have three or even 4 slots and I have enough ships so why not.
Just like there is a restriction placed on what can be brought into SEC CON … Devs may want to look at working somewhat similar thing into T4+
While I too am in agreement that there may need to be some type of restriction on rank\tier level ships you can bring into T4 + lets not be too quick to place the blame nor anger towards these players as the saying goes “they may not know any better”.
“May not know” better my rear engine, that is a blatant lack of IQ, and then some of those characters get upset when i make fun of them.
i’d say, as in the patch discussion, T4 and T5 should be only possible with fully synergized ships, if they are below T4.
we know from experience, synergizing up your last t2’s in t3 makes sense; as does jumping T4 to T5 (with current playerbase up there); bringing up t1-t3 in t4/t5 however does not.
also, i would add, that t4 pvp should require you to have 3 ship slots filled, t5 all slots (4).
no 1-ship rambos in endgame, no tier rushers who synergize their anaconda as captain, etc.
this would increase the quality of T4 and T5 and maybe bring more life into the game there.
“May not know” better my rear engine, that is a blatant lack of IQ, and then some of those characters get upset when i make fun of them.
If I’m not mistaken, although some of those highlighted ships are t3 and t4, not everyone has enough unsynergized T5 ships. I would rather have a couple low tiered ships and 1 appropriate tiered ship than just a single appropriate tiered ship just in case CtB occured.
You might argue that you should bring the maxed synergized ships but to the players themselves it just isn’t worth wasting time on a fully synergized ship when they could be synergizing another. Now it’s a totally different thing if they bring a low tiered ship that is already fully synergized. For that, they should be ashamed.
If I’m not mistaken, although some of those highlighted ships are t3 and t4, not everyone has enough unsynergized T5 ships. I would rather have a couple low tiered ships and 1 appropriate tiered ship than just a single appropriate tiered ship just in case CtB occured.
You might argue that you should bring the maxed synergized ships but to the players themselves it just isn’t worth wasting time on a fully synergized ship when they could be synergizing another. Now it’s a totally different thing if they bring a low tiered ship that is already fully synergized. For that, they should be ashamed.
Those are not T4 ships all are t3, r7-r9(prem)
I would agree if you bring couple maxed out R9s into T4 game where you have only 1-2 fresh R10-r11s, but bringing these into T5 is UNACCEPTABLE, you should have at-least couple next to maxed out T4 in the process of getting into T5. If you don’t have them you should not be playng that tier, period and you should not be allowed to play to begin with, same as PvE.
And in this example, both of these guys brought those low ships on purpose, TITAN has 3x factions at r 15 ~800 PvP games, and Soldiers has 2200 games and 12/15/11 ranks - and yet he brings these ships into T5, extra LoL at a raptor R7 Fed Engineer, luckily for us it wasn’t CTB.
“May not know” better my rear engine, that is a blatant lack of IQ, and then some of those characters get upset when i make fun of them.
If I’m not mistaken, although some of those highlighted ships are t3 and t4, not everyone has enough unsynergized T5 ships.
Now it’s a totally different thing if they bring a low tiered ship that is already fully synergized. For that, they should be ashamed.
I’d just like to point out that my Tier 3 Blood Tormentor performs just fine in T4/5. SenC has witnessed its destructive potential once or twice in person during Team Battle. Even the Sigurdr can hold its own in the upper tiers. Why? Because they are fully synergized purple-kitted ships. I have rarely let my team down when piloting those two.
The T3 Reaper is my Speed Build Interdiction Frigate. I know it is a niche build that is only useful in detonation matches, and I tend to only fly it if I know it will benefit the team by intercepting a bomb-carrier.
I have 3 Tier 5 ships, and multiple Tier 4 ships. More than enough that I don’t have to bring Tier 3s. So why do I do it? Because repair costs on those three premium T3 ships is ZERO, unlike my Tier 5 ships. Because those T3 ships have completely purple gear, and people tend to underestimate them, much to my delight. And because I actually enjoy flying them.
I’d just like to point out that my Tier 3 Blood Tormentor performs just fine in T4/5. SenC has witnessed its destructive potential once or twice in person during Team Battle. Even the Sigurdr can hold its own in the upper tiers. Why? Because they are fully synergized purple-kitted ships. I have rarely let my team down when piloting those two.
The T3 Reaper is my Speed Build Interdiction Frigate. I know it is a niche build that is only useful in detonation matches, and I tend to only fly it if I know it will benefit the team by intercepting a bomb-carrier.
I have 3 Tier 5 ships, and multiple Tier 4 ships. More than enough that I don’t have to bring Tier 3s. So why do I do it? Because repair costs on those three premium T3 ships is ZERO, unlike my Tier 5 ships. Because those T3 ships have completely purple gear, and people tend to underestimate them, much to my delight. And because I actually enjoy flying them.
Is that such a crime?
If you bring them to tier 4 it is ok. I have nothing against people bringing tier 3 ships to tier 4 games. I did it myself when I was levelling up ships. Same with tier 4 into tier 5. In fact when we had t4 and t5 merged, I played a lot with T4 ships in T5 games. And they are quite capable of facing rank 15 ships.
But premium 9 against r15 ships? You don’t stand a chance. It is like bringing a KV1S to a Tier 10 match in World of Tanks. Surely you will be able to do something… but you would do much, much better in an IS7.
I think they should do like in PvE, and just forbid ships two tiers lower than the ships you are using top. So you can bring T2 to T3, T3 to T4, and T4 to T5. But you can bring T2 to T4 or T3 to T5.
Guys problem here tier rushers , not experienced pilots with low tier ships. I know tillowaty tear down t5 ships with t1 ship this is not the case. You may fine with t3 ships on t5 soldier cause you know what to do and when ,but I saw many newbies with unsynergized t1-2 ships they dont , they cause loose the game they dont get synergy or fun either.
I’m ok with -1 tier , this is a grind based game so you cant expect everyone to bring t4’s , you have 2 t4 ships? ok than you can bring 2 more t3 if you want , but not T2 or T1 please this should be restricted…
Another problem bringing 1 or 2 ship to beacon capture. And matchmaker puts all low amount ship players one side , full ship setups other side you can see result at beginning. Here is the solution ;
Matchmaker shouldn’t put 1-2 ship players to beacon capture games , they can continue play other respawn free skirmish modes but not the beacon capture. this game mode should require at least 3 ships.
_ impossible request lol , all games MUST update and change more or less
I like everyone else hate losing becuase my team makes bad choices.
_ so why you want keep it that way?
PVP though is meant to be fun. SC is for actual fighting.
They’r both fighting and they’r both fun but you cant bring t1 to SC can you?
This game isn’t run by the America government, people should be able to play what they want in pvp.
_ They can , if they want play with t2 ship ok t2 open for them , if they want play t5 it is open too if they have the ships , so I want play with T5 ship on T1 is it ok ? do you see any problem? But thats what I want why dont you let me now?
I’m sure I said this before, but there should be boundaries something like this:
T1 - rank 1-3 ships allowed.
T2 - rank 2-6 ships allowed.
T3 - rank 5-9 ships allowed.
T4 - rank 8-12 ships allowed.
T5 - rank 11-15 ships allowed.
This lets people who don’t have enough ships to make up the numbers with a lower tier ship, but it also outright bans anything that is too far out to be considered acceptable by most pilots.
