The "new player" ship parts problem

In the hope we might actually be able to get something done about this, I’m going to try and bring together some key info and hash out the key problems.

 

First, let’s take a look at the new leveling rewards. Kudos to OmegaFighter for this.

 

 

Here some info you want: Amount of rewards in total per rank, if you already complain about what you don’t get, you should at least know the values.

 

Faction Rewards (All factions have same)

Rank 1 - None

Rank 2 - Engine Package, 50k Credits

Rank 3 - Computing System, 100k Credits

Rank 4 - Deflector Package, 150k Credits

Rank 5 - 8 Neodium plates, 250k Credits

Rank 6 - 2 Reactor Packages, 300k Credits

Rank 7 - 3 Exterior Structures. 500k Credits

Rank 8 - 10 Neodium Plates, 700k Credits

Rank 9 - Engine Package, 900k Credits

Rank 10 - 2 Computing Systems, 1,1M Credits

Rank 11 - 10 Neodium Plates, 1,2M Credits

Rank 12 - 2 Reactor Packages, 1,3M Credits

Rank 13 - 5 Exterior Structures, 1,4M Credits

Rank 14 - Deflector Package, 1,5M Credits

Rank 15 - 15 Neodium Plates, 1,7M Credits

Total rewards for 1 Faction : 11,150 Million Credits (11.150.000), 53 Neodium Plates (You need 32 for a rank 8 Destroyer), 4 Reactor Packages, 8 Exterior Structures, 2 Deflector Packages, 3 Computing Systems and 2 Engine Packages.

 

Take this times three…

33,450 Million Credits (33.450.000), 159 Neodium Plates, 12 Reactor Packages, 24 Exterior Structures, 6 Deflector Packages, 9 Computing Systems and 6 Engine Packages

Ship Parts in Monocrystals: 240 + 432 + 120 + 198 + 132 = 1122 Monocrystals equals 187 daily days (If you visit all 3 stations) without premium license and 125 with premium license.

 

I hope this cleans up some things, so you can imagine better.

 

 

For now, we’ll ignore the credits as that is not the key issue here (although personally, 11 million is over a fifth of my current credit stockpile!). The key issue is the ship components. Let’s see what we can build with those… over to you, Koromac!

[http://forum.star-conflict.com/index.php?/topic/29576-resource-cost-information-for-secret-project-ships-and-destroyers/](< base_url >/index.php?/topic/29576-resource-cost-information-for-secret-project-ships-and-destroyers/)

Using this information we can work out what ships, if any, we can build with this part stockpile. If we can’t build any, we can look at how much work is needed to actually build one.

 

Going through the list, bringing a single faction to R15 means we have a fairly good selection of ships. But here’s a few winning entries:

 

Empire Destroyer: Needs just 40 Monocrystals to build the internal structures. Leaves us with 1/2 Engine, 2/4 Reactor, 1/2 Deflector, 5/8 External Structures, 1/3 Computing systems and 7/11 mil credits left over from our leveling bonus.

 

The other Destroyers need a little more grind to unlock, but getting another faction to R15 will take care of that no problem.

 

What about Secret Projects? How close to bagging one will ranking a single faction get us? Well, if you want the Kraken then you’ll be pretty damn close! All you need is one extra External, and the 5 Internal structures. That’s 138 monocrystals.

 

What’s 138 mono in real terms? 69 days of single OS missions (46 with license), or 23 days of doing all three OS missions (15 days with license, plus a single OS on day 16). Add to that the occasional 1 mono from daily login and 2 mono from ship assignment, and you can potentially grab your Kraken before you hit Rank 15!

 

 

But who flies just one faction? I know I don’t! So, assuming I like to fly everything, just how fast can I get my Secret Project ship? Well, by reaching Rank 9 with two factions and Rank 10 with a third, you’ll have everything you need for the Cyning! Then you just need to find 40 monos and crafting materials to finish her off. Luckily, leveling up to get these parts also gives you 2.9 mil to buy R15 Mk II modules with, which can be salvaged for the graphite and osmium you need. Login bonuses will also help. That leaves just 20/14 days of OS missions, or 7/5 if you want to blitz the hell out of it, to get your Monos. You should be able to pick up any missing materials then too.

 

 

 

Devs, do you see why we’re angry now? Players who are only just entering Tier 4 can potentially build a Secret Project ship before ever facing T5 in combat! They can basically skip an entire tier and jump straight to the endgame, with the ships that were meant to be included as long term player goals!

 

No Vet currently playing got their Secret Project ship, if they have one at all, before hitting Rank 15. For a lot of us, that was a requirement to unlocking the ships in the first place!

 

 

So, how long would it take a vet to build the Cyning from scratch? If we assume all they need is monocrystal, you need 424 of them to build it. That’s 212/142 days of single missions, or 71/48 days of triple OS missions.

 

 

If I want a Cyning, I have to spend most of a year grinding for it, and only Open Space counts. A new player need only do the occasional OS mission, and will get the bulk of the parts from PvP and PvE. A smart player who looked up the forums and planned ahead could easily have that ship in 30 days.

 

 

Again, let that sink in. A new player, with an account 30 days old, could have a Secret Project ship.

 

 

Do you see why we are upset? Not only are you giving endgame content away to inexperienced players for virtually no effort, you are then turning around and saying “existing players can’t have this”.

 

 

I hope this will be a wake up call for you, because it sickened me to write this out.

 …Again, let that sink in. A new player, with an account 30 days old, could have a Secret Project ship…

This is the exact reason I’m annoyed that nothing has been done about this. I spent 3 months grinding for cyning and still didn’t have all the parts and now new players get that for little to no effort.

I didnt know the rewards for new players were this excessive, but now I know if feels like a slap in the face. Why did we spend all that time in the most boring open world of all time? Saw a player with 800 games with a kraken, i got 8000+ and i barely have 2 spec project ships. Does this sound fair?

I don’t mind about wasted time - I could level up again, but all those prems I bought feels like I was tricked and stuck with my no-goods-for-you account…

Are you fckin serious? I could just create another fcking account and get WAAAAY ahead of my 3 year old one? WTF. That’s about 2-3 times more rewards they get than i got in all this time in resources.

This is incredibly incredibly stupid. And then you get 30-day-old Aces in T5 with taunts at their disposal too… And SP ships…

 

EDIT: this begs the question - if i create a new account and demand my wasted GS transferred to it from the current one, while ofc removing the stuff i bought with GS already, any chance for it to happen? cuz i’d happily jump boat in the nub-zone to get everything the game has to offer in one blow then go on for another 3 years to get something of which a new player can get in 30 days tops…

For a game no longer in alpha or even beta where big changes are expected, it’s just not right to add these things and not give the accomplishments to the people who have already achieved them.

It’s only fair that if there are materials and rewards for leveling added at this point then everyone who has leveled their ships should get the same treatment. Otherwise we would all be better off

with a full reset of everything except for premium ships and DLC’s. It sure would be easier to start over, but then again I’m not sure there is enough fun left in the game to do it again.( At least for me)

Compensate us, or provide us with the same rewards via special tasks/assignments, in order to obtain all those resources for veterans.

That’s the only fair and a right thing to do.

Doing nothing or something else is a slap in the face and just an expression that says:

“We don’t need veterans in this game anymore. Newcomers are here. The rest is unimportant. Veterans, get out of here, so that newcomers can enjoy the game and never return to spoil their fun.”

 

We do not intend to give up.

We earned this.

We deserve this.

We should get this.

Totally agree. I would create a new account if I didn’t buy all the dlcs and prems…

It is a slap in the face. I have now had premium licence for a year, and done my daily mono open space missions to 99%, and still, I am FAR from done grinding this game… I STILL have ALOT of Mk5 weapons and modules I havent upgraded,  and I STILL have 4 SP ships to make… and I dont have have a destroyer yet either. Right now I have 260 monos, not enough for next SP ship… :confused: So, how much am I suppose to grind? I mean, this is not a second job, right? And now, they give out so much free resources and parts to new accounts only by buying new rank ships? Where is the justice in this?

 

Oh, and btw, last night I was doing both T4 and T5 destroyer Specops mission… but found no ship part, only 20k vouchers, 2 mono crystals and 1 blueprint :confused: I really wish the loot would be better for this mission, because the T5 one is quite the challange… and summarized, that is also why people dont bother so much with this specops anymore, because assembling a capable wing is kinda time consuming (since skilled players dont grow on trees) and the work inbattle is hard, and rewards are meh. 

For all nine Secret Project you need exactly 4024 monocrystals!

For all nine Secret Project cost you need exactly 4024 monocrystals!

would take about two years of every-day grind w/o license, w/ abot a year and half…

would take about two years of every-day grind w/o license, w/ abot a year and half…

Yeah… and dont forget the Mk5 modules (I for sure dont need all of them, but at least those I like and use alot!)… AND Destroyers cost…:confused:

For all nine Secret Project cost you need exactly 4024 monocrystals!

What’s the amount with all 9 destroyers?

What’s the amount with all 9 destroyers?

Destroyers are not included at all. And did not include any T3 Destroyers.

For the rest, like T4 and T5, we do not have the numbers. They are not out… yet. xP

That’s a xxxx ton of monos that’s what it is. Holy frick how are they getting away with thi-- *muted by dev*

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I am about to post full information about Secret Project total cost of nine ships. xP

Stay tuned!

 

I am about to post full information about Secret Project total cost of nine ships. xP

Stay tuned!

 

So things like excel or google sheets are never heard of?  

On unrelated note

Here some info you want: Amount of rewards in total per rank, if you already complain about what you don’t get, you should at least know the values.

 

Faction Rewards (All factions have same)

Rank 1 - None

Rank 2 - Engine Package, 50k Credits

Rank 3 - Computing System, 100k Credits

Rank 4 - Deflector Package, 150k Credits

Rank 5 - 8 Neodium plates, 250k Credits

Rank 6 - 2 Reactor Packages, 300k Credits

Rank 7 - 3 Exterior Structures. 500k Credits

Rank 8 - 10 Neodium Plates, 700k Credits

Rank 9 - Engine Package, 900k Credits

Rank 10 - 2 Computing Systems, 1,1M Credits

Rank 11 - 10 Neodium Plates, 1,2M Credits

Rank 12 - 2 Reactor Packages, 1,3M Credits

Rank 13 - 5 Exterior Structures, 1,4M Credits

Rank 14 - Deflector Package, 1,5M Credits

Rank 15 - 15 Neodium Plates, 1,7M Credits

Total rewards for 1 Faction : 11,150 Million Credits (11.150.000), 53 Neodium Plates (You need 32 for a rank 8 Destroyer), 4 Reactor Packages, 8 Exterior Structures, 2 Deflector Packages, 3 Computing Systems and 2 Engine Packages.

 

Take this times three…

33,450 Million Credits (33.450.000), 159 Neodium Plates, 12 Reactor Packages, 24 Exterior Structures, 6 Deflector Packages, 9 Computing Systems and 6 Engine Packages

Ship Parts in Monocrystals: 240 + 432 + 120 + 198 + 132 = 1122 Monocrystals equals 187 daily days (If you visit all 3 stations) without premium license and 125 with premium license.

 

I hope this cleans up some things, so you can imagine better.

 

Some one failed the elementary math class:

Rank 5 - 8 Neodium plates, 250k Credits

Rank 8 - 10 Neodium Plates, 700k Credits

Rank 11 - 10 Neodium Plates, 1,2M Credits

Rank 15 - 15 Neodium Plates, 1,7M Credits

is not 53, that be 43

On unrelated note

 

Some one failed the elementary math class:

Rank 5 - 8 Neodium plates, 250k Credits

Rank 8 - 10 Neodium Plates, 700k Credits

Rank 11 - 10 Neodium Plates, 1,2M Credits

Rank 15 - 15 Neodium Plates, 1,7M Credits

is not 53, that be 43

True. But it’s like “The didn’t slap us in the face with a very large fish. Just a tad smaller”

True. But it’s like “The didn’t slap us in the face with a very large fish. Just a tad smaller”

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