I actually like it better. It keeps the rookies in the low tiers where they belong and lets you learn the mechanics before you jump tiers.
Some kind of grind is needed in order to make sure players progress in skill. But playing Imperial LRFs from T1 to T3 to unlock the T3 engie doesn’t do that much to improve your skills as an engie pilot. And playing a Jericho LRF doesn’t make you a good tackler pilot either.
I hate the synergy system now. It’s horrible.
I only play this game for 1 reason.
1: if I’m bored.
And that reason must be met otherwise I got plenty of older space games. No BS synergy crap.
oh I stopped playing due to the synergy BS. I had FULL synergy on all but 3 ships and now I have full synergy on NONE … not one. all time and grind for nothing. Devs take away what I worked on, took my modules and gave me no money, reduced the gold missiles and gave nothing to compensate … Fine I just payed up premium for SWTOR … they are enjoying the money I was going to spend on this game. Good job devs you helped a different game make money I am sure they appreciate your callous and uncaring attitude.
I will check these forums and see if you jack-wagons fix this. If not I will just play more freelancer mods and give SWTOR more of the money you would be getting if you cared about your player base with money to spend.
Still no word on any adjustments to the viablility of owning a Premium ship? I’ve been playing a few weeks now and really dont see any communication from anyone. Occasionally one of our fine Moderators copy/paste’s a response in here but other than that… Very dissapointed in their lack of communication of changes, upcoming patche notes, tuning ideas etc etc. Anyone considering purchasing one of the “Packs” should ask in Global to get the communities view before dropping 50+ bucks.
Still no word on any adjustments to the viablility of owning a Premium ship? I’ve been playing a few weeks now and really dont see any communication from anyone. Occasionally one of our fine Moderators copy/paste’s a response in here but other than that… Very dissapointed in their lack of communication of changes, upcoming patche notes, tuning ideas etc etc. Anyone considering purchasing one of the “Packs” should ask in Global to get the communities view before dropping 50+ bucks.
All they’ve said on the subject is they’re still discussing the situation internally, so we’ll see what happens next patch.
A lot weighs on the next patch for me. If we don’t regain the ability to fly any ship and keep progressing without GS, the grind will be too tiresome to keep me playing and paying
I’ve said repeatedly I won’t pay cash to transfer synergy from a premium ship. The devs will look at how many people have, the managers will look to see if it’s financially viable, etc, etc. I hope no one’s paying. That’s a sad thing.
I posted this in another thread, but I want to put it here too because it is entirely relevant:
I honestly think they don’t have any idea what to do. I think the Dev’s feel that if they don’t charge Gold Standards to transfer synergy, then they lose money from people because they won’t purchase DLC packs and Gold Standards. The problem with that however is that once people realize that buying DLC packs provide no real net benefit and actual hinder your progression rather than help it, they stop buying packs and persuade others not to purchase as well. I feel it would have been simple to do some of the following:
Allow Premium Ships to transfer Synergy for free and Credit Ships to transfer Synergy for Gold
Allow Premium Ships to transfer Synergy for Credits and allow Credit Ships to transfer Synergy for Gold
Allow Premium Ships to transfer Synergy for free up to their Tier of ships (so a T3 ship would be able transfer its Synergy to any other ship up to T3 and so on)
These are just some of my ideas. The fact that simple things like this were not implemented immediately given such an out-lash in the first few days and still in the week and a half it has been implemented tells me they are still thinking of ways to shaft us. The old “we are taking in all input and data and working on a solution” answer is just very tired now and tells me they did not really think about the lasting affects of this patch. Really sad too because despite what the Dev’s say about there being an increase in players, I disagree entirely. I am apart of the the Pirate Kings Corporation. Prior to this patch, this Corporation was number 3 on the Corp ranking list. They have now dropped to 10 and the CEO as well as most of the Officers have not logged in since the patch release (or shortly thereafter). Coincidence? I honestly think not, and most people in the Corp are certain they have abandoned ship due to the patch (those are the whispers anyway) and I doubt it is isolated to just this Corp.
I am willing to wait until the next patch to see what I do. I didn’t want to just stay stagnant if they are really hell bent on sticking with this Synergy business as I have already made a lot of progress and didn’t want to just presumptuously quit, but if they are just going to turn this game in to a nickel and dime operation, I won’t stick around. Shoot, I really want to buy one of the Pirate Packs and if this Synergy business is changed to make it ideal for someone to use Premium Ships, I certainly will. I want to show my support anyway I can, but only if the Dev’s are really listening to the feedback of their community.
I’ve said repeatedly I won’t pay cash to transfer synergy from a premium ship. The devs will look at how many people have, the managers will look to see if it’s financially viable, etc, etc. I hope no one’s paying. That’s a sad thing.
I have not paid any Gold Standards because I knew right from the start that this system was broken. Gold Standards to buy a Premium Ship then more Gold Standards to transfer that Synergy? On what planet does that sound feasible? I have resorted to playing with the other Ships I really don’t care to, just so I could stop playing with the Premium’s I have for a while. I am currently sitting on over 800K of Synergy to transfer. That’s pretty much a leap in to the next tier of any ship of my choosing, but that would literally require me to spend the last of my Gold to accomplish this. I have extreme faith they are going to rectify this situation, and as many of you have pointed out, the next patch will be extremely telling how they take the feedback of their community. It will be such a sad thing if they choose to not address it in a reasonable fashion or even not at all. Either way, if the system doesn’t change, I guess it will be on to another game for me. Sad too because I really really do enjoy the game, but if I’m going to spend the kind of money they are asking, I want to feel like I am accomplishing something, not throwing my money in to a pit.
- Allow Premium Ships to transfer Synergy for Credits and allow Credit Ships to transfer Synergy for Gold
This seems entierely reasonable, I bought the pirate 50$ DLC and realised this myself, i actually can’t play my Sai with out paying about 5-8$ in GS for every ship worth of synergy i transfer them off to, and because of that i only play the Sai when im low on credits, This is a system that needs to be fixed, and old players need their synergy grandfathered in.
We are still monitoring the situation and we will think about some improvements.
I have an update on the situation with premium ships:
We do understand that premium ships are not as fun in the new system, as they can be. At the moment we are discussing the best solution to improve the situation. At the moment I can state clearly that the amount of generated free synergy will be boosted.
We are also planning to add some other modifications to them, as we see that our players want additional changes to premium ships. Yet you must understand that as we do not pursue the P2W model (nor do we plan on doing so), the choice of balanced parameters takes some time. Please, be patient, the situation will soon be resolved!
I have an update on the situation with premium ships:
We do understand that premium ships are not as fun in the new system, as they can be. At the moment we are discussing the best solution to improve the situation. At the moment I can state clearly that the amount of generated free synergy will be boosted.
We are also planning to add some other modifications to them, as we see that our players want additional changes to premium ships. Yet you must understand that as we do not pursue the P2W model (nor do we plan on doing so), the choice of balanced parameters takes some time. Please, be patient, the situation will soon be resolved!
If this statement is in fact true, and you are not seeking a P2W model, then I have to imagine you are seriously giving thought to any of the above suggestions . Because as it stands now, paying for a Premium Ship then paying to transfer the Synergy from that Premium Ship is mighty P2W right now.
the grind on the first T3 Fed Covert Ops Interceptor (Hawk Eye?) is awful
I have seriously played this ship for weeks now trying to get lvl 8 synergy and its taking way way too long. I can level up other ships so much faster
and yet I play this one as my main ship
the grind on the first T3 Fed Covert Ops Interceptor (Hawk Eye?) is awful
I have seriously played this ship for weeks now trying to get lvl 8 synergy and its taking way way too long. I can level up other ships so much faster
and yet I play this one as my main ship
I just did the same. Just completed it over the weekend, and thank god the grind on the next T3 Cov Ops only requires Synergy level 6 because I would lose my mind if I had to max it out. It goes much faster after that, but you still have to make it past 3 of them in T4. Also dumb IMO.
““I have an update on the situation with premium ships:
We do understand that premium ships are not as fun in the new system, as they can be. At the moment we are discussing the best solution to improve the situation. At the moment I can state clearly that the amount of generated free synergy will be boosted.
We are also planning to add some other modifications to them, as we see that our players want additional changes to premium ships. Yet you must understand that as we do not pursue the P2W model (nor do we plan on doing so), the choice of balanced parameters takes some time. Please, be patient, the situation will soon be resolved!””"
I am failing to see how paying cash for a ship, playing it as normal, then having to pay again to receive the benefits you earned flying said ship is a hard concept for Gaijin to grasp. Currently there is no reason at all to buy a Premium ship. Outside of emptying your wallet on a recurring basis.
A ship earning extra credits above and beyond its tier-mates is fine. Im not really in a better ship, Im still flying and participating. I just earn more credits for the cash I spent buying the ship. No different than if a player bought gold standards and converted them to ingame credits. Atleast Im filling a que and playing the tiers instead of just jumping past them. Its been 2 weeks now since the initial uproar. I would hope they soon make an acceptable change, or offer returns for changing the products we all spent money on. Id probably return the two Tier 1 ships I bought to fly with my rookie friends. No reason at all to even own them. The Desert Eagle and SuperKite were part of a package I bought, so Id probably hold onto them as some of the other benefits were nice in the kit. but its still not the benefit that was advertised.
""I have an update on the situation with premium ships:
We do understand that premium ships are not as fun in the new system, as they can be. At the moment we are discussing the best solution to improve the situation. At the moment I can state clearly that the amount of generated free synergy will be boosted.
We are also planning to add some other modifications to them, as we see that our players want additional changes to premium ships. Yet you must understand that as we do not pursue the P2W model (nor do we plan on doing so), the choice of balanced parameters takes some time. Please, be patient, the situation will soon be resolved!"""
I am failing to see how paying cash for a ship, playing it as normal, then having to pay again to receive the benefits you earned flying said ship is a hard concept for Gaijin to grasp. Currently there is no reason at all to buy a Premium ship. Outside of emptying your wallet on a recurring basis.
A ship earning extra credits above and beyond its tier-mates is fine. Im not really in a better ship, Im still flying and participating. I just earn more credits for the cash I spent buying the ship. No different than if a player bought gold standards and converted them to ingame credits. Atleast Im filling a que and playing the tiers instead of just jumping past them. Its been 2 weeks now since the initial uproar. I would hope they soon make an acceptable change, or offer returns for changing the products we all spent money on. Id probably return the two Tier 1 ships I bought to fly with my rookie friends. No reason at all to even own them. The Desert Eagle and SuperKite were part of a package I bought, so Id probably hold onto them as some of the other benefits were nice in the kit. but its still not the benefit that was advertised.
I don’t really want ‘changes’ to the Premium Ships. What I mean to say is, I don’t want you to make a change that justifies the recent changes you have made in the game to say that if you bought a Premium Ship, you are still going to have to spend more Gold on top of that to free up that Synergy. In no way will you charging Gold on top of Gold make anyone happy. Even if you try and make the Premium Ships earn more free Synergy, or earn Synergy at a higher rate. Regardless, it is still expensive to free up that Synergy. Premium Ships should be considered, ‘paid in full’. It’s the whole point of buying a Premium Ship or a DLC pack.
“Premium Ships should be considered, ‘paid in full’. It’s the whole point of buying a Premium Ship or a DLC pack.”
Exactly.
The simplest solution is to allow all synergy transfer for credits as well as balancing credit income vs prices to match desired progression rate. (i.e: more expensive ships). Premium ships’ credit boost will once again be useful, and people don’t have to stick to one ship for days/weeks on end without being screwed over.
Make it ‘pay to grind less’ instead of ‘pay to not grind with just this one ship’!
The simplest solution is to allow all synergy transfer for credits as well as balancing credit income vs prices to match desired progression rate. (i.e: more expensive ships). Premium ships’ credit boost will once again be useful, and people don’t have to stick to one ship for days/weeks on end without being screwed over.
Make it ‘pay to grind less’ instead of ‘pay to not grind with just this one ship’!
I really hate having to fly ships I don’t like/don’t fit my play style in order to reach the ones that do.
I completely understand the synergy system is a time sink to slow down players. But the people at the top are already at the top, and as a beta game I don’t imagine there are a whole lot of new players. this is essentially punishing the players in the middle ground and in a harsh way.
Time sinks are fine, but don’t force people to play what they don’t like. When synergy maxes out, at least allow users to transfer it either for free or with credits to another ship. AT least with the previous system, i could just bide my time, play the ships I liked as I slowly earned rep until I could buy my way through the tier to the one I want. It isn’t particularly balanced considering mid/lower tier players will be disadvantaged to those at the end of that particular tier no matter how you frame it- and forcing players through those middle tiers is extra brutal.
Perhaps some other game modes/activities/character professions could be used instead as time sinks rather then punishing the middle guys [or at least do as lemon suggests and allow synergy to be moved and gathered no matter the ship you play].