Star Conflict gender confusion

False. There are two biological sexes, but gender - a social construct - is a spectrum.

https://www.genderspectrum.org/quick-links/understanding-gender/

For the sake of jumping back into an old argument…

 

No. I was correct.

 

There are two biological sexes - male and female.

 

There are two genders - male and female.

 

You can be biologically male, but identify as female. You can be biologically female and identify as male. Most people’s sex and gender match.

 

But there is no middle ground. Your gender cannot be “somewhere between man and woman”, because it’s a binary choice - there isn’t anything between man and woman.

 

Keep in mind that 99.9% of people who claim there are more than two genders don’t actually have a damn clue what they’re talking about. Medical science does not recognise multiple genders - only tumblr and gender studies degrees permit 200+ genders.

For the sake of jumping back into an old argument…

 

No. I was correct.

 

There are two biological sexes - male and female.

 

There are two genders - male and female.

 

You can be biologically male, but identify as female. You can be biologically female and identify as male. Most people’s sex and gender match.

 

But there is no middle ground. Your gender cannot be “somewhere between man and woman”, because it’s a binary choice - there isn’t anything between man and woman.

 

Keep in mind that 99.9% of people who claim there are more than two genders don’t actually have a damn clue what they’re talking about. Medical science does not recognise multiple genders - only tumblr and gender studies degrees permit 200+ genders.

Identifying as something means nothing imo. I identify as the first black president but I don’t think people will start calling me Obama…or black…

 

Male and female brains are different and you can’t really change that. But tbh, I don’t care what people identify as, so long as they make it clear. I really hate those awkward pauses when you go to use a pronoun. “he, erm, she, ermmmm uhhhh oh crap.”  And of course it is annoying when they use it for politics. Just my 2 cents. 

False. There are two biological sexes, but gender - a social construct - is a spectrum.

https://www.genderspectrum.org/quick-links/understanding-gender/

Wow mecron-tan…are you studying psychology?

 

For the sake of jumping back into an old argument…

 

No. I was correct.

 

There are two biological sexes - male and female.

 

There are two genders - male and female.

 

You can be biologically male, but identify as female. You can be biologically female and identify as male. Most people’s sex and gender match.

 

But there is no middle ground. Your gender cannot be “somewhere between man and woman”, because it’s a binary choice - there isn’t anything between man and woman.

 

Keep in mind that 99.9% of people who claim there are more than two genders don’t actually have a damn clue what they’re talking about. Medical science does not recognise multiple genders - only tumblr and gender studies degrees permit 200+ genders.

You DO need psychology lessons XD

Btw Jasan, if you care too look:

  1. Since gender is a social construct, it constantly changes, so theres nothing like male is A and female is B. You can say instead that male is currently A but will change into something else, and female is currently B but will change into something else as well.

  2. Some people think there should be no differenciation about genders/sex, just a clasification of human being.

Wow mecron-tan…are you studying psychology?

 

You DO need psychology lessons XD

Btw Jasan, if you care too look:

  1. Since gender is a social construct, it constantly changes, so theres nothing like male is A and female is B. You can say instead that male is currently A but will change into something else, and female is currently B but will change into something else as well.

  2. Some people think there should be no differenciation about genders/sex, just a clasification of human being.

I actually had to take an intro to gender studies class my first semester. It wasn’t nearly as bad as the folks who foam at the mouth at the very mention of tumblr make it out to be – mostly, it was just a study of how the perception of the man and woman’s role in a family has changed in the US over time.

 

Although there certainly were a lot of students clearly trying to push their agenda onto the professor. Seriously, one student kept the lecture from starting for like five whole minutes with her “questions” (meaning rant about early gender roles relating to modern day sexism and patriachy) before the professor managed to shut her up.

 

To be sure, the class was mostly a historical look at gender rather than a modern study of it, so it was pretty dichotomous. It mentioned gender as a spectrum, yeah, I guess. The only thing I really took from it is that gender is really and truly a social construct, in that it comprises of what people expect of you, as well as what you expect of yourself. And other stuff, I’m sure, but whatevs, yo.

 

Also, personal opinion alert: That second option (de-gendered view of society) is pretty clearly the most reasonable. I’m a firm believer in meritocracy, and gender has no intrinsic relation with ability, so it makes sense to ignore it. I could care less if this person with dangly bits wants to be called “her”. I’ll call that person “her” when I manage to remember and just… deal.

The only thing I really took from it is that gender is really and truly a social construct, in that it comprises of what people expect of you, as well as what you expect of yourself. And other stuff, I’m sure, but whatevs, yo.

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(knowing how you troll) hahahahahaha :smiley:

To be sure, the class was mostly a historical look at gender rather than a modern study of it, so it was pretty dichotomous. It mentioned gender as a spectrum, yeah, I guess. The only thing I really took from it is that gender is really and truly a social construct, in that it comprises of what people expect of you, as well as what you expect of yourself. And other stuff, I’m sure, but whatevs, yo.

No, Gender is not a social construct.

 

I’ll prove it to you; I want you to go around looking obviously male (assuming you have a xxxx - if you don’t, gender flip these instructions) but wear a sign around your neck saying “I identify as a woman!” and see how society treats you.

 

Answer: as a man. Gender is not a social construct because everything people pretend is based on gender is in fact based on biological sex. If you are a man, you are treated as a man regardless of how you identify, and vice versa.

 

The simplest way to understand this is that sex is what you are physically, gender is what you are mentally. This is why a “transgender” person is a man who feels they should be a woman, or a woman who feels they should be a man. A man who feels they should be a potato is not transgender, they’re xxxx.

 

Also, personal opinion alert: That second option (de-gendered view of society) is pretty clearly the most reasonable. I’m a firm believer in meritocracy, and gender has no intrinsic relation with ability, so it makes sense to ignore it. I could care less if this person with dangly bits wants to be called “her”. I’ll call that person “her” when I manage to remember and just… deal.

A “de-gendered” view of society is not in any way reasonable because we are sexually dimorphic species. Men on aggregate are stronger than women, to the point where the world’s strongest woman is only comparable to an above-average man. Men have different ways of thinking and approaching problems; men function differently in social situations; men and women experience different health issues at different rates; men and women are biologically different; and only one sex can get pregnant.

 

There’s a really good reason we don’t consider men and women to be equal - we aren’t!

 

This is why the tumblrina view on gender is so stupid. “She” designates someone as being of the female sex. That’s kind of useful information at times, whether that’s for medical reasons or  because you’re out trying to pull.

 

So yes, gender does not have any link to ability - but sex might, especially in physical work. If you need hard, manual labour done, odds are the best people for that job are men.

 

You’re absolutely right about meritocracy though; people just don’t get to cry foul when the meritocratic system keeps finding women are objectively inferior in certain roles. Alas, they do - apparently, vaginas make you super qualified for cushy, high paid office jobs, yet the damned Patriarchy just won’t listen!

Jasan you can “paint” your words with pindaric flights but that doesn’t make them less “archaic” or far far away from reality.

About this matter “black” and “white” definitions doesn’t exist. There’s a huge “grey” zone that pretty much cover all the whole thing.

Men and women are the same species, so we are biologically the same. Yes oc we have differences (apart obvious anatomic diff) mostly influenced by hormones, but apart that we share same chemical stuffs and brain process.

When I speak about “grey zones” i can make a clear exempl: yes a professional male boxeur can always win agains a femal one. Oh yeah, now you try to say to this girl she suck in what she do.

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After you recover from hospital, do you will still think that she is worst than “every” man at boxing?

I don’t think so. Actually considering numbers i think she can brutally beat almost 70% of human male population on earth. Are those men (me included) less “man” 'cause she can beat ghe crap out of us? According to your point of view : yes. 'Cause she can do something that “men” are supposed to do way better.

And no, she isn’t xxxx.

Man and woman are just words. Not saying there are no differences at all, but most of the difference we experience trough our society are imposed by the brutal influence from majors religions.

I’m not even going to attempt to correct the ignorance coming from Jasan, since this is the internet and people’s opinions don’t change based on a public forum’s posts.

On the side, I bet he also thinks that race is based on biology. KEK.

 

Wow mecron-tan…are you studying psychology?

I took a basic psychology and a basic sociology course during my junior year at my uni. One of the very first debunks that we covered was the non-dichotomous nature of gender.

 

(knowing how you troll) hahahahahaha :smiley:

If Miss Featherweight is so good, why can’t she compete against male boxers in the same weight class? Oh, right, because she’d die in the ring!

As for our differences, they are found universally in all cultures, even ones that developed on opposite sides of the world with no contact. Go find a lost tribe in the Amazon and the same gender roles you blame on the Patriarchy will be there, because apparently we set that system of oppression up 100,000 years ago and maintain it via the Illuminati.

Biologically the same? Google “chromosome” and be ashamed of yourself for failing that hard.

If Miss Featherweight is so good, why can’t she compete against male boxers in the same weight class? Oh, right, because she’d die in the ring!

 

Tell that to her face, let’s see how your chromosome Y will react.

 

 

As for our differences, they are found universally in all cultures, even ones that developed on opposite sides of the world with no contact. Go find a lost tribe in the Amazon and the same gender roles you blame on the Patriarchy will be there, because apparently we set that system of oppression up 100,000 years ago and maintain it via the Illuminati.

 

False (and this is just the wiki page about it, not “deep” at all) , and don’t let me start about that bs on illumiwhat?

 

 

 

 

 

Biologically the same? Google “chromosome” and be ashamed of yourself for failing that hard.

 

Chromosome differences affect ONLY “sexual dimorphism”. We are the same species…

Ok this is pointless. I give up on this topic.

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Tell that to her face, let’s see how your chromosome Y will react.

I don’t need to. We’ve already proven it is true.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-female-opponent/

False (and this is just the wiki page about it, not “deep” at all) , and don’t let me start about that bs on illumiwhat?

From the very same Wikipedia article:

“Most anthropologists hold that there are no known societies that are unambiguously matriarchal.[53][54][55] According to J. M. Adovasio, Olga Soffer, and Jake Page, no true matriarchy is known actually to have existed.[50] Anthropologist Joan Bamberger argued that the historical record contains no primary sources on any society in which women dominated.[56] Anthropologist Donald Brown’s list of human cultural universals (viz., features shared by nearly all current human societies) includes men being the “dominant element” in public political affairs,[57] which he asserts is the contemporary opinion of mainstream anthropology.”

You probably shouldn’t have stopped at the title, but then again it’s not like gender studies requires actual research.

Chromosome differences affect ONLY “sexual dimorphism”. We are the same species…

Ok this is pointless. I give up on this topic.

Good, because you clearly don’t understand it. We are the same species, but we are not identical. You are arguing that a Ferrari is identical to a Ford Focus because they’re both cars.

You really had to copy past the only quote from wikipedia that goes against my proof: “in your head”. Forgetting that there are/were small societies where females are in charge of their homes and families, with line of successions following only women…

 

The reason why that quote is in the wiki is to deny matriarchy as “western” concept that is deeply influenced by modern feminism who idealized a world where women are in charge of everything. Instead in those same societies men where non treated like objects with no rights and actually have some political and social power (like it happens for women in our society).

 

You can’t deny Musuo existence, or thinking they do what they do just 'cause they are perverse or for “tourism” like chinese govern says… 

 

Once again, like for biology and chromosomes, read some more: the only chromosome that differ between males and female are the Y and X which as I said, are the ones responsible for sexual dimorphisms, all the others are a combination from the kit gene by your mother and father. Yes hormones influence bodies in different ways, but chemically our brains works all the same. 

Households, yes, but not societies. Women are in charge of households because the men are always out working. Societal structure reflects our hunter gatherer origins.

Not sure if you are actually going down the rabbit hole in the middle paragraph. It sounds like you’re saying women are treated as objects in the West.

Our brains are actually very different. There are plenty of peer reviewed papers on the subject. For just one example, men have a lot more grey matter. Women have more white matter. In simple terms, men are better at working on a single task than women are, but women are better at multitasking.

I suspect you don’t understand the difference between being equal, and having equal opportunity. I’m also beginning to suspect that you would oppose true equality of opportunity, because that generally leads to a lot of women failing in careers like the emergency services and armed forces.

Here is some classic (censored) copypasta:

 

“I (censored) Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m (censored) xxxx but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.”

- Guuse 2014

I don’t need to reply since you are misleading my words. 

 

I will leave the thread with this little “though”: good luck telling your daughters that they should not apply in sports or choose some careers otherwise they will fail miserably at a certain point compared to men.

 

Daddy of the year! Actually this is a good thing: more girls with daddy issues out there for guys that will not call them back the day after. Tnx for that!  :fed012:

I don’t need to reply since you are misleading my words. 

 

I will leave the thread with this little “though”: good luck telling your daughters that they should not apply in sports or choose some careers otherwise they will fail miserably at a certain point compared to men.

 

Daddy of the year! Actually this is a good thing: more girls with daddy issues out there for guys that will not call them back the day after. Tnx for that!  :fed012:

That is implying he will have kids one day…

That is implying he will have kids one day…

To some people, having kids is a token.

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I can’t help but imagine how incredibly messy that would be.