What he said lol.
Every mode is really enjoyable when it’s played teamlike, even with all these partial downsides. For now it’s basically boring playing almost alone and a 2-man squad takes forever to start a pvp because the other team also has to have a 2-man squad as well, kinda weird.
Still destroyers in PVP
Still no Squad option
Still forced OS grind
Still limited social functions.
The patch is bad -1/10.
Bad job.
You sound like you know THE way to make this game perfect in an easy way. I dislike your evaluation of the patch by ignoring changes made and instead evaluating things missing; i could shi.t at every patch discussion rating -1/10 cause they still havent fixed the wobble…that doesnt make any sense nor helps anything.
You sound like you know THE way to make this game perfect in an easy way. I dislike your evaluation of the patch by ignoring changes made and instead evaluating things missing; i could shi.t at every patch discussion rating -1/10 cause they still havent fixed the wobble…that doesnt make any sense nor helps anything.
you cant be serious. complaining about ping is a completely different category.
he mentioned things that are missing _now_ from the game, as they were removed. things we actually DO expect to be adressed. or do you not?
he might have been angry, short, but to the point about what his expectations were, now lets think about your comment…
you cant be serious. complaining about ping is a completely different category.
he mentioned things that are missing _now_ from the game, as they were removed. things we actually DO expect to be adressed. or do you not?
he might have been angry, short, but to the point about what his expectations were, now lets think about your comment…
Or, alternatively, we can look at what he said
Still destroyers in PVP
Still no Squad option
Still forced OS grind
Still limited social functions.
The patch is bad -1/10.
Bad job.
Destroyers are Fine to Almost fine in PvP
squads were remotely fine in PvP ONLY during heavy tier mixing those in a squad, in all other times full squads in random PvP did more harm than good. Play leagues, dreads, tournaments, hold in-house games. Only tiny minority truly wants 3 and 4 man squads in random pvp.
grind is NOT forced on you, there is nothing there that MUST be obtained, it is purely optional.
overall there are no less social interactions than before, so hard to say it was removed.
so yeah, his comment is bs.
People complain and whine and xxxxx and hate on game for what it is not, everyone has own view on how they want it, what is their dream ideal game is, only devs are not making it for me, for you, for anyone, they make it for the crowd. And I sure hope that you guys are smart enough to realise how much of revenue last couple of months brought in - don’t like it? - don’t play it, yet people still play it and complain on how it is bad, than there has to be something making you play. There are even those present here that clocked thousands of hours in the game, and yet the only thing they do on forums is complain.
Like the game for what it is, stop hating on it for what it is not, and if you run out of things to like - leave, it is a natural cycle for video games.
Here people, put it on your desktops, lots of you really need it:
you cant be serious. complaining about ping is a completely different category.
he mentioned things that are missing _now_ from the game, as they were removed. things we actually DO expect to be adressed. or do you not?
he might have been angry, short, but to the point about what his expectations were, now lets think about your comment…
You’re missing the point of Papi’s post - he is simply using Gizmo’s logic to complain about another perceived problem with this game in a manner that is rightfully critical of Gizmo’s rather simplified and overly cynical review.
You guys know what i mean 
Destroyers are Fine to Almost fine in PvP
squads were remotely fine in PvP ONLY during heavy tier mixing those in a squad, in all other times full squads in random PvP did more harm than good. Play leagues, dreads, tournaments, hold in-house games. Only tiny minority truly wants 3 and 4 man squads in random pvp.
grind is NOT forced on you, there is nothing there that MUST be obtained, it is purely optional.
overall there are no less social interactions than before, so hard to say it was removed.
lol, dude, you clearly need another sign, that says
WAKE UP
whining about whining is whining²
you are a master in that.
seriously, people just ignore them, act as if it isnt there.
squads were a problem? seriously? i think you need a history lesson. removing squads from t5 was not neccessary. adding squad mm rules that made no sense and not removing them for years didnt help either. an mm which was tuned with the wrong impression that “any squad is stronger than individual players” was also a fail to begin with. no kosty, removing squads was not “neccessary”, it was “lazy”, and several suggestions were never explored, because “someone knows better”. excuses…
no forced grind - okay. true. i wasnt forced. i am not pissed about it. coz i didnt do it either. he did. but the point is valid. the design to do OS missions to get resources which are needed to unlock final stages for another game mode is amateurish at best. but congratulations, you can buy them with GS, right. It’s nice if they are magic.
wait do you even know what is meant by social features? for a fact, people cannot see anymore what activities friends or corp members are doing, because well, it was removed. “for security reasons”
because people were following players, so they can either intercept or evade them in games. which is a giant problem. but the solution is so stupid, i wont even continue, because if we really have to argue about stuff like this, i seriously think we are not on the same level of intelligence.
now instead, of course, we rather have no league games if certain people are online, at all. much better.
and leagues also collapsed to no game at all for whole leage time dimensions.
once you were one of the greatest weapons of reason in this community, but obviously, you are like a white blood cell that doesnt find desease since the body started to decay, so you just attack anything, that is remotely attackable nowadays.
it’s pathetic to watch.
but i get it, why you are so angry in the forums lately, just waiting until you realize it yourself.
You’re missing the point of Papi’s post - he is simply using Gizmo’s logic to complain about another perceived problem with this game in a manner that is rightfully critical of Gizmo’s rather simplified and overly cynical review.
i still disagree. its not the same thing. nor do i understand, what it helps to “invalidate” gizmos list of missing stuff. i can agree to most of gizmos points actually.
i can of course understand, if people feel butt hurt by his cynical and short criticism.
but for sure not because of wrong or lacking reasons, rather the way he presents it.
not sure if this isnt correlating to stuff gizmo did or say outside of the forum however either.
you should still think about what you are talking here aswell. or do you guys seriously want to say, the points gizmo said, are not true?
you agree to kosty there? truly?
lol, dude, you clearly need another sign, that says
WAKE UP
whining about whining is whining²
you are a master in that.
- Destros are fine in pvp since people got tired of them. now only 1 in 4 games is a stupid gravi lense bullshit fest and people just continue as if its not there. It doesnt even have damage on the caster. what the hell.
seriously, people just ignore them, act as if it isnt there.
squads were a problem? seriously? i think you need a history lesson. removing squads from t5 was not neccessary. adding squad mm rules that made no sense and not removing them for years didnt help either. an mm which was tuned with the wrong impression that “any squad is stronger than individual players” was also a fail to begin with. no kosty, removing squads was not “neccessary”, it was “lazy”, and several suggestions were never explored, because “someone knows better”. excuses…
no forced grind - okay. true. i wasnt forced. i am not pissed about it. coz i didnt do it either. he did. but the point is valid. the design to do OS missions to get resources which are needed to unlock final stages for another game mode is amateurish at best. but congratulations, you can buy them with GS, right. It’s nice if they are magic.
wait do you even know what is meant by social features? for a fact, people cannot see anymore what activities friends or corp members are doing, because well, it was removed. “for security reasons”
because people were following players, so they can either intercept or evade them in games. which is a giant problem. but the solution is so stupid, i wont even continue, because if we really have to argue about stuff like this, i seriously think we are not on the same level of intelligence.
now instead, of course, we rather have no league games if certain people are online, at all. much better.
and leagues also collapsed to no game at all for whole leage time dimensions.
once you were one of the greatest weapons of reason in this community, but obviously, you are like a white blood cell that doesnt find desease since the body started to decay, so you just attack anything, that is remotely attackable nowadays.
it’s pathetic to watch.
but i get it, why you are so angry in the forums lately, just waiting until you realize it yourself.
i still disagree. its not the same thing. nor do i understand, what it helps to “invalidate” gizmos list of missing stuff. i can agree to most of gizmos points actually.
i can of course understand, if people feel butt hurt by his cynical and short criticism.
but for sure not because of wrong or lacking reasons, rather the way he presents it.
not sure if this isnt correlating to stuff gizmo did or say outside of the forum however either.
you should still think about what you are talking here aswell. or do you guys seriously want to say, the points gizmo said, are not true?
you agree to kosty there? truly?
i still disagree. its not the same thing. nor do i understand, what it helps to “invalidate” gizmos list of missing stuff. i can agree to most of gizmos points actually.
i can of course understand, if people feel butt hurt by his cynical and short criticism.
but for sure not because of wrong or lacking reasons, rather the way he presents it.
not sure if this isnt correlating to stuff gizmo did or say outside of the forum however either.
you should still think about what you are talking here aswell. or do you guys seriously want to say, the points gizmo said, are not true?
you agree to kosty there? truly?
You can agree or disagree all you want about Papi’s comment, I don’t care, but the point Papi is making is that the general cynicism that people have nowadays on the forums is neither constructive nor helpful in any form or fashion. Instead of leaving feedback that is helpful (i.e. suggestions or some form of helpful criticism), all they do is bxtch and moan about how the game isn’t the 10/10 IGN GOTY they want it to be.
As people say, the loudest people are generally the most cynical.
And the devs, me, and everyone who is okay with the changes (for the most part) in this game are tired of hearing the continual bxtchfest that are these “patch discussions”. Why do you think their interaction with these forums has been minimal as of late? Think about it.
And I do not necessarily think that Gizmo’s points are untrue, but rather I am criticising his method of criticism. He can be correct all he wants, but no one will give a flying fck about what he says if the WAY that he presents those criticisms is unacceptable and ill-received.
i still disagree. its not the same thing. nor do i understand, what it helps to “invalidate” gizmos list of missing stuff. i can agree to most of gizmos points actually.
i can of course understand, if people feel butt hurt by his cynical and short criticism.
but for sure not because of wrong or lacking reasons, rather the way he presents it.
not sure if this isnt correlating to stuff gizmo did or say outside of the forum however either.
you should still think about what you are talking here aswell. or do you guys seriously want to say, the points gizmo said, are not true?
you agree to kosty there? truly?
For gizmo DDs are game breaking in PVP. For me ping is game breaking for using any ceptor and most projectile weaponry (this has extended discussion topics), most USA players suffer this at RUS servers, many EU players dont understand this cause they frecuently get EU servers and when they play at RUS they have a decent ping unlike the rest. Ping has decisive matters in battle outcomes and strategies as well. This is a problem with possible solutions that has not been implemented, just like gizmo sees DDs (remove them from PVP: solved). I dont judge gizmo mainly for the way he presents this, but for what he means (this is related to outside-forum-stuff). Instead of raging and blaming incompetence ive tried to: 1) identify and show a problem, 2) propose hints that may lead to a solution or improvement of the situation, 3) (if this doesnt works) evaluate if i want to keep playing and if yes, 4) deal with it and find personal solutions to diminsh the impact of the problem. Gizmo has failed repeatedly in point 4.
About kost: i often find reason in his posts (not forgetting they are pretty harsh and troll), but i have to admit i fully enjoy his way to show his point.
Mecron the fact is that the time of “constructive” criticism is over since months. Now it’s just time to have fun until it last (when it happens) and being sad. I agree sometimes me or Gizmo made some outburst, but you have to recognize that people with more experience and knowledge and in the end more “titles” than me or Gizmo or you: gave up being testers or caring or just being constructive.
There is no one left here to moderate forums that’s not a signal for you?
I’ll give you a free advice: don’t act like the “defender of star conflict” as it is, 'cause you will end up in disappoint, frustration and harsh feelings. It happened already, and will keep happening.
So I agree that bitching is not the right way, but you can’t really blame people if they lost their mind, and i’m not talking about nabs not able to kill a damn bot in a pve or the others that are constantly crying against 'ceptors…
There are issues in the game like Gizmo said, but trust me: being polite and constructive will be useless as being bitchy. You will not get things fixed.
Try meanwhile you go trough your journey that will end like I told you: to not being “unfrendly” to people that don’t really deserve it.
lame pic
the most disappointing part is, that i really expected a fun picture.
it doesnt even fit, as i dont really have a “problem”, its not funny.
now i got a problem.
You can agree or disagree all you want about Papi’s comment, I don’t care, but the point Papi is making is that the general cynicism that people have nowadays on the forums is neither constructive nor helpful in any form or fashion. Instead of leaving feedback that is helpful (i.e. suggestions or some form of helpful criticism), all they do is bxtch and moan about how the game isn’t the 10/10 IGN GOTY they want it to be.
As people say, the loudest people are generally the most cynical.
And the devs, me, and everyone who is okay with the changes (for the most part) in this game are tired of hearing the continual bxtchfest that are these “patch discussions”. Why do you think their interaction with these forums has been minimal as of late? Think about it.
And I do not necessarily think that Gizmo’s points are untrue, but rather I am criticising his method of criticism. He can be correct all he wants, but no one will give a flying fck about what he says if the WAY that he presents those criticisms is unacceptable and ill-received.
first point, untrue, since lousy comments have been here all the time. compared to what was, our patch notes are really friendly and even to the point nowadays.
second, untrue, because to my knowledge, i have tried to give feedback and arguments since 3 years for everything, and even in this thread, given it several times inclusive suggestions. i can’t do stuff, if it doesnt get picked up.
and it doesnt get picked up. worse, the players who usually get into representative positions are usually not just established, they are often about to leave, so they dont really care, which is a bad choice for representatives.
hell, if i were kosty, i would get mad at them ignoring me on the other end, so i even respect him for pulling up with that.
third, lately it became silent, because silence in a forum is a sign of decay. i warned about that. so no, the interaction in this forum has become minimal, because the community is dying, even if kosty made it clear, he finds this is nonsense, as of course, officially, the latest actions were a success, and the game seems for now healthy. and there is concern, since being a bit more involved with software projects, it doesnt look so healthy, at all.
lets say i am concerned, gizmo is just straight pissed off it seems.
your point reminds me of the “healthy smashtalk” some people have in their jobs if they have to deal with lots of people, lots of complaints, lots of problems. i agree. a certain amount of “smashtalk” and objectification is right. some people are really just complaining, without reason, or come with completely unrelated reasons to you, and poo on your head. and even others who sometimes seem reasonable become unreasonable, and we are all just human in the end.
such smash talk helps to create a healthy barrier, in which you dont get lost in the problems of others. it can however also feedback back into starting to eat your own jokes, and you start to look down on others.
but in the end, it is their job to do it, and the moment, when they start with excuses about whiners instead of focusing on real work, they end up treating everybody badly beforehand, and ignore anything that is said; this is how corruption starts, and i am talking here out of my own experience, not trying to judge others. it’s a slippery slope, and clearly, i dont care if people are tired of complaints, it is their job to sort it out.
it is also the job of the community to elaborate, instead of building defense walls for the devs and polarize. i am also tired of wannabe knights, who come up and try to help the poor devs, because all they do is make the reasonable discussions disappear even more.
it is empty criticism, to criticise criticism, without giving constructive feedback yourself.
the reason why some are only leaving angry marks, goodbye posts, or others take up arms to defend the poor devs who are so wrongfully attacked by the mad creatures, which are so silent at the same time, is the same. think about that.
I dislike your evaluation of the patch by ignoring changes made and instead evaluating things missing; i could shi.t at every patch discussion rating -1/10 cause they still havent fixed the wobble…that doesnt make any sense nor helps anything.
“Let me complain and get my game fixed” - I paid money for something that broke
Like the game for what it is, stop hating on it for what it is not, and if you run out of things to like - leave, it is a natural cycle for video games.
Let me make a point of clarification here. I’m not the White Knight of Star Conflict or whatever funny title Sponge gives me. This game obviously has flaws. I understand that and I agree with some of the flaws pointed out on the forums.
That does NOT mean, however, the ideal scenario for us to literally devolve ourselves and our arguments into mere posts that resemble nothing more than the crybaby screaming of third wave feminist cntbags.
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If feedback is not being received, think of the reasons why. I agree that the devs should be a little more open about their interactions with the players on their suggestions (save for the stupid ones that Fox posts every day), but to abandon all pretense of maturity and turn your arguments into screaming entire-team-is-babies shxtposts is childish at best.
There is literally no excuse for turning arguments into crybaby posts no matter what the situation. You will sound like a stupid Tumblr SJA keyboard warrior. Either continue to give constructive criticism/take necessary actions like a mature, responsible individual, or get the fck out.
I’m done here.
For gizmo DDs are game breaking in PVP. For me ping is game breaking for using any ceptor and most projectile weaponry (this has extended discussion topics), most USA players suffer this at RUS servers, many EU players dont understand this cause they frecuently get EU servers and when they play at RUS they have a decent ping unlike the rest. Ping has decisive matters in battle outcomes and strategies as well. This is a problem with possible solutions that has not been implemented, just like gizmo sees DDs (remove them from PVP: solved). I dont judge gizmo mainly for the way he presents this, but for what he means (this is related to outside-forum-stuff). Instead of raging and blaming incompetence ive tried to: 1) identify and show a problem, 2) propose hints that may lead to a solution or improvement of the situation, 3) (if this doesnt works) evaluate if i want to keep playing and if yes, 4) deal with it and find personal solutions to diminsh the impact of the problem. Gizmo has failed repeatedly in point 4.
About kost: i often find reason in his posts (not forgetting they are pretty harsh and troll), but i have to admit i fully enjoy his way to show his point.
We “EU” players DO understand what a xxxx ping is, 'cause having to deal with high skilled ceptors russian pilots on their server is not easy at all when you have 100 ping and pck loss. That is even more bad when 'cause of your rating you will end up against a couple of those without backups in your team. There is a huge difference between 35 ping and 100+ packet loss. Ceptor’s movements fail to respond as it should and more likely you will miss with your gun in a dogfight more ofthen
Sure it’s not that bad as you that live in south america but still is not so easy to handle in a competitive environment.
“Ping issues” can be solved only by increasing population on your timezone. That can be achieved with advertising. To do more ads you need money and to gain money you need a bigger stable paying population in the time-zones close to your servers region.
But if you fail to achieve that 'cause you mess things by: removing squads, never fix the dread battles, remove/never add social stuffs, add insane grind to achieve end game contents…
You will never have enough money to promote the game in the time-zones with less players.
Instead what we got here? The money milking behave: trow in game some ridiculous unbalanced “paytogetthemfaster” content, wait a little since pvp is full of that things so more people will hurry to spend money for them, then after a while trow in something even more unbalanced and gs related content: repeat until it last.
That’s not a long term strategy: this is “take the money and run”. And it makes so angry to see this game where i found friends and fun being treated this way.
The reason I’m still here? I still have fun with my friends sometimes, but instead of being a daily occasion now it’s really rare.
Why? Gizmo wrote why. Those are mainly the reason people that where here since forever are giving up. Call them whiners, that’s your problem. When you will realize after the " dessie storm" the people that will be here still playing will be more and more like “yummytummy” and less “tillowaty” you will regret having said this to people that wanted things to get better:
“Are you smart enough to understand how many money they made tnx to the destroyers?”
Or the really bad and low profile though : “lower your expectations”
Being jerk with people leaving 'cause they don’t find anymore fun doesn’t makes you gain points.
Looks like we need to nerf the amount of flame in this thread. Maybe someone wants to tell something else about last tweaks?
Oookay people, can we skip this personal stuff and focus on constructive and short critics, nobody will go through this for real.
I like the nerf on the halo launcher, it’s a lazy long range gun with too much aoe damage, now its okay. Lets try squadding with 4 players in the next patch to see how it goes. Additional tweaks to other ship classes are needed though, maybe start with guards giving them just a bit more hull/shield points so they can survive at least a bit against a destroyer, its a guard after all.
The current situation is okay, new modules from weapons to active ones and back to the passive ones would be awesome, but that’s a whole different story.
maybe start with guards giving them just a bit more hull/shield points so they can survive at least a bit against a destroyer, its a guard after all.
Yep, I also want movement in this direction.
That’s not personal stuffs, it’s a discussion about how game and community were treated during last months. If you don’t know what we are talking about just skip the topics. Like most of us do with new people like you in those days. That’s not meant as an offence, it’s just that you ignore mechanics and history of this game.
About buffing the guards: it’s a 'no". Before destroyers there were reasons why they were balanced like that. Buffing them 'cause “they are guards after all” have no sense at all. They need to die fast if they are out of position, otherwise the whole game became a standing fights without so much happening.
Sitting in multiple guards guarding beacons or behind rocks shooting with long range weapons should not be that rewarding as it will happen AGAIN if they buff guards, since in random pvp you don’t have enough focus fire.
It’s already bad that trying to balance things with destroyers they buffed anomaly and nerfed doomsdays ('cause in case you don’t get it, now doomsdays have less agility and hitting something smaller than a destroyer or a sitting slow guard it’s not that easy).