Seeing as I’m an owner of one of those “safe” sectors, I should’ve responded sooner to this thread…my bad.
You’re absolutely right Dirk, there has not been as much activity there recently, and it seems that is because people have been going after SALT and other sectors a lot more than ours and Col Hub. What I can say about this, is that no matter what the situation is, I always defend my sector if someone is attacking it. I know that the intended purpose for this sector was for us to use it without worry of being completely destroyed by you heavy hitters, and I do my best to use it for just that.
Now that it’s come to my attention that not enough people are actually _attacking _for us to defend, I’ll try harder to get more corporations to attack our sector. I’ll also do my best to prevent this issue from rising up again. I realize that we’ve essentially been taking advantage of the free rewards, and I apologize for that. It’ll be fixed very soon.
Seeing as I’m an owner of one of those “safe” sectors, I should’ve responded sooner to this thread…my bad.
You’re absolutely right Dirk, there has not been as much activity there recently, and it seems that is because people have been going after SALT and other sectors a lot more than ours and Col Hub. What I can say about this, is that no matter what the situation is, I always defend my sector if someone is attacking it. I know that the intended purpose for this sector was for us to use it without worry of being completely destroyed by you heavy hitters, and I do my best to use it for just that.
Now that it’s come to my attention that not enough people are actually _attacking _for us to defend, I’ll try harder to get more corporations to attack our sector. I’ll also do my best to prevent this issue from rising up again. I realize that we’ve essentially been taking advantage of the free rewards, and I apologize for that. It’ll be fixed very soon.
Xelavian
CEO - FDEF
I came back to see that lots of things went down, including radix/fdef holding the free sectors. What’s interesting is how few attacks there are against those sectors. Also the fake attacks are still rolling on in fed space once more.
Now that it’s come to my attention that not enough people are actually _attacking _for us to defend, I’ll try harder to get more corporations to attack our sector. I’ll also do my best to prevent this issue from rising up again. I realize that we’ve essentially been taking advantage of the free rewards, and I apologize for that. It’ll be fixed very soon.
It is definitely a two-way street. Attacks have to happen for defenses to respond.
Personally, I think we should just open up the sectors again to the heavy hitters (Arch, NASA, OWL), and just go about dreadnoughts as usual, since not much activity has happened in those sectors in the last few weeks. But, there is also the part of me that thinks it would be nice to give a week or so for the smaller corps to prove that they will actually use the sectors that have been given to them to be a battleground without worry of NASA, Arch, or OWL interference.
Any thoughts?
Also, @Shotan: Keep in mind that the “big boys” agreed to leave Vanguard and Colonization alone and let the smaller corps fight for them, and if the smaller corps don’t hold up their end of the deal (actually using the sectors), then the “big boys” have all the rights to open them up again and partake in fighting for them. Opening them up may look like meddling in smaller corps affairs or picking on you, but it isn’t. We also have every right to not stay away from you if conditions are not met.
if you screw with us we will gangbang you. we will, don’t put it past us. I know RadiX has a crapton of allies and im sure all the bigger corporations have enemies that will help us against them. It’s hard being a smaller corporation so we do tend to band together and it doesn’t help when bigger corps try to bully into our sectors and find loopholes in a treaty.
You knock on our door, we knock down yours.
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thought i should add more.
We are fine with smaller corporations attacking us. Just don’t want the bigger ones to break the treaty. We smaller corps stopped gangbanging you (NASA) because of this treaty. don’t start it up again.
Back to the subject, I think that since the original purpose of those sectors aren’t being fulfilled, we should open it back up for grabs by anyone. At least that generates activity as a whole.
But I agree with you Dirk, let’s give around a week for the smaller corps to step up their game and actually attack those sectors. That was the original plan - for an area free from interference where the small corps can have free reign.
If they don’t do anything, then it should be up for grabs.
it’s not free reign if u butt in. i think we could get 4-5 allies in the fed timezone to attack ppl. Even if we had 3, 24 is a lot to get for defence. especially if u plan on attacking.
The purpose of the safe space sectors is to allow the smaller corps to play in dread battles without fear of being put up against the juggernaut corps. If the smaller corps are attacking elsewhere, then putting conditions on these sectors is pointless.
Corps like FDEF, Ultra, SRO, CJF, Vking, Behem, MEFF, RadiX should therefore be fighting in Colonization Hub and Vanguard Outpost. If they are having trouble getting a game, then they should contact each other to set battles up.
If they aren’t using the sectors for their purpose, then someone else who can should have it.
Well I think that settles it. Small corps, you have one week to prove to us “big boys” that you will actually use the two sectors we have designated as “heavy hitter free”. By use, we mean do some actual damage, or even have a sector change hands. Doing 10% (or attempting to) once isn’t going to count. We need to see efforts being made every night, if not most nights for the next week. If we don’t see activity in those two sectors, NASA, Arch, and OWL will be free to launch attacks on those sectors.
Also, @Shotan: Keep in mind that the “big boys” agreed to leave Vanguard and Colonization alone and let the smaller corps fight for them, and if the smaller corps don’t hold up their end of the deal (actually using the sectors), then the “big boys” have all the rights to open them up again and partake in fighting for them. Opening them up may look like meddling in smaller corps affairs or picking on you, but it isn’t. We also have every right to not stay away from you if conditions are not met.
Analyse, in full description using concrete quotes, the rights given to NASA, Arkhos Core, OWL Initiative or any of the “big boy” corporations agreed by terms upon by “smaller” corporations. You may NOT use quotes from members of the corporations listed or any relative corporations unnamed.
Analyse, in full description using concrete quotes, the rights given to NASA, Arkhos Core, OWL Initiative or any of the “big boy” corporations agreed by terms upon by “smaller” corporations. You may NOT use quotes from members of the corporations listed or any relative corporations unnamed.
'Let the smaller corps have 1 or 2 sectors that will be free from Arch or NASA interference. This includes NASA and Arch helping with attacks and defenses, unless the smaller corps on both sides agreed it fair to let them attack or defend with them. (Maybe dedicate Vanguard and Colonization for this, so they have a GS and an iridium sector to fight for without interference). The sector(s) would only have the safety net IF and ONLY IF all the smaller corps involved can agree to ensure that at least one battle per night can occur (or at least have an effort made)."
These were some of the terms I laid out earlier on in this thread. No one opposed this, so they became part of the terms accepted for dedicating Vanguard and Colonization to be “safe” sectors. Since no activity has been occuring in these sectors, the conditions for them staying safe haven’t been met, so therefore, they qualify to be opened up again to “heavy hitters”. However, we are being nice and giving 1 more week for smaller corps to prove that they will use these sectors, instead of letting them sit there. If we (the heavy hitters) don’t see activity in those sectors in this week, we will begin to attack them again. If smaller corps show activity this week, but then slack off, the same conditions will still apply.
“Colonization Hub and Vanguard Outpost are up for grabs by all smaller corps and defenders/attackers can have up to two mentors from big corps.”
This is a quote from Kazumi_. Where he was restating the conditions for the sectors to remain safe.
If you don’t like it, that sucks, but you can’t stop us unless you use the sectors.
If they aren’t using the sectors for their purpose, then someone else who can should have it.
I get iridium, i would say i am using them.
There isn’t really an Arkhos core anymore. it will soon be merged into owl probably.
OWL, NASA, if you screw with smaller corps, i am warning you, we will overwhelm you with sheer numbers.
there are 2 sectors that are off limits, there’s plenty others that you can attack. Better 2 off limits sectors than getting gangbanged. This is why this whole agreement was started, NASA was crying because of the gangbanging it received.
Oh, we were? Last time I checked, we didn’t care about the Zergrushing.
come in zerg come alone - w/e, we have perfect counter to your zerg and we can take you one 1 on 1
Sarcasm aside,
I really don’t care about the zerg rushes, as it gives games, but I doubt that the zergrushing will persist because if these terms are implemented, the small corps will fight in their allocated sectors because they’ll have a chance to win.
Such big talk from such a small child, ArcTic.
Aside, it would be nice to have an updated stance from the CDF alliance guys, along with BEAST and SALT. They implicitly agreed to these terms Dirk laid out, but a reaffirmation and acceptance of these new conditions we just talked about would do well.
Instead of mincing words, how about we just ask these guys directly?
That isn’t what we mean by “use them”. We mean actually carry out attacks there. Those sectors aren’t meant to be free resources for whatever corp holds them. There needs to be some effort put in to defending them (and attacking them), so the resources are actually earned.
there are 2 sectors that are off limits, there’s plenty others that you can attack. Better 2 off limits sectors than getting gangbanged. This is why this whole agreement was started, NASA was crying because of the gangbanging it received.
They were set off limits provided that they were actually used for battles. Not farmed for free resources. We are being generous and giving 1 week for you to prove that you will actually do battle in these sectors.
Also, you are wrong in why this agreement was started. If you recall, I am the one who started this thread. The reason I created it was to end the pointless bickering and “war” that was happening between Arch and NASA.
OWL, NASA, if you screw with smaller corps, i am warning you, we will overwhelm you with sheer numbers.
We aren’t “screwing” with smaller corps. We are simply acting upon the terms and conditions that were set for those two sectors to remain “safe”.
Man, while I do agree with the smaller corps about noone actually writing in with agreement, that does not excuse and name calling or insults. I would suggest you all return this to a civil discussion so something can actually be worked out.
Aside, it would be nice to have an updated stance from the CDF alliance guys, along with BEAST and SALT. They implicitly agreed to these terms Dirk laid out, but a reaffirmation and acceptance of these new conditions we just talked about would do well.
Instead of mincing words, how about we just ask these guys directly?
Most of SALT joined RadiX. Also, BEASTS and RadiX are allied and I believe FDEF and RadiX are too.
Also, nothing in this treaty that i read said that if we don’t attack each other, then we lose our special sectors. Trying to add on after doesn’t work. So in other words, you’re trying to break the treaty.
Im not trying to make this personal but if we are attacked, we will gangbang. it’s the only way to keep a presence in dreadnoughts.
I can guarantee a NASAless sector , but there has to be a reassurance that there actually will be games held, I am not reserving a sector for 1 figth a week. How many corporations actually want to play dreads AND capable of playing in our time zone?
We’re not interested in your “nobody opposed the terms” bull. We want to know who agreed to them.
Ok, so if nobody actually agreed to the terms, then they were never actually set aside for small corps. So us “big boys” can just roll in and take them right?
A week is plenty of time to get something going. If the current sector holders can get activity going before their sectors go down after the week expires, then the big corps can step back and leave it be.
The whole point behind safe space was not so that small corps could get sector rewards. It was so that small corps could play in dreadnought battles without having to face the juggernaut corps as their only opponents.
We don’t have to be at each other’s throats for this. If the small corps aren’t active enough, then returning to the original status quo isn’t a bad thing. More sectors to fight over means more chances for everyone to play. It just means that the smaller corps are at risk again. I’d like to avoid that, but that’s only if activity supports it working out.
We can make progress on an issue without hating each other in the process. Can we do that, please?
