Matchmaking places groups of 3+ in a higher level queue than queueing as an individual or as a pair.
eg Three people are individually queueing rank 7 ships and put into a rank 7-9 queue. When the three of them queue as a group they may be placed in rank 8-11 queue.
Is this intentional, and if so, what is the reason behind it?
Yes it is. A squad is usually more organized and stronger than the same amount of players.
Translating: It doesnt matter if you and your friends started the game together and dont know how to fly, the fact that you have friends to play with means that you should be punished and pitted against stronger oponents.
Yes it is. A squad is usually more organized and stronger than the same amount of players.
Then tell us how 4-man squads are able to stay in the same Tier as the ships they queue with?
Translating: It doesnt matter if you and your friends started the game together and dont know how to fly, the fact that you have friends to play with means that you should be punished and pitted against stronger oponents.
Yeah it kinda seems like it discourages being social. If I queue with friends I’m less likely to win because the opponents will be stronger.
Then tell us how 4-man squads are able to stay in the same Tier as the ships they queue with?
4xESB squads are not flying 16xPrem ships, they have a mix of t3 prems and R8s
They wait all the way to 15-20 minutes to get into the game
If you look at how Matchmaking works you wil see that 4xSquad is put into a queue of Maxed r9s - to low r12s and since there is next to no one flying T4+, obviously with time mm just collects maxed R9s and they get into the same game with 4 man squad.
If tiers would be locked same thing would be happening but way more often because 4 man squad wouldn’t have to wait for 10-20 minutes to get into the game even with population like this. And creating separate queues divided by ranks within a tier defeats a purpose of fixed tiers. Obviously spread of mixing ranks of T1 to T2 and T2s to T3s should be tightened up, but, again, with higher population it wouldnt matter anyways.
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Get real people, there is no way of making balanced matchmaking with low population (and don’t you start complaining about low population and why it is low, this was settled millions of times).
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Edit: and matchmaking of 0.7-0.8 era was absolutely NOT balanced, there were NO balancing whatsoever, it just put everyone and everything together within a tier it didn’t even try finding “faier” matches for anyone. The only thing was working for the game is that EVERYONE played T3 ESB/NOVA/SYN/NASA?W.E. there were no T5, T4 was abnormally expensive. There was a competitive population and that was a population that squads up together and concentrated within a tier. If you think flying mk3 R6 vs mk2 R8s is bad, you don’t remember how hard it was back then advancing t2 into t3 if you do not have maxed out ships and solo, it was ten folds harder to fly r7s vs topped r9s in squads and it was even harder to farm loyalty and reputation at some point in lower ranked ships because they had penalty to loyalty and reputation gains if your ranks is 2-3 steps above the ship you fly.
Yeah it kinda seems like it discourages being social. If I queue with friends I’m less likely to win because the opponents will be stronger.
work together
2 man working together are stronger than 3 solo players.
Then tell us how 4-man squads are able to stay in the same Tier as the ships they queue with?
4xESB squads are not flying 16xPrem ships, they have a mix of t3 prems and R8s
They wait all the way to 15-20 minutes to get into the game
If you look at how Matchmaking works you wil see that 4xSquad is put into a queue of Maxed r9s - to low r12s and since there is next to no one flying T4+, obviously with time mm just collects maxed R9s and they get into the same game with 4 man squad.
If tiers would be locked same thing would be happening but way more often because 4 man squad wouldn’t have to wait for 10-20 minutes to get into the game even with population like this. And creating separate queues divided by ranks within a tier defeats a purpose of fixed tiers. Obviously spread of mixing ranks of T1 to T2 and T2s to T3s should be tightened up, but, again, with higher population it wouldnt matter anyways.
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Get real people, there is no way of making balanced matchmaking with low population (and don’t you start complaining about low population and why it is low, this was settled millions of times).
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Edit: and matchmaking of 0.7-0.8 era was absolutely NOT balanced, there were NO balancing whatsoever, it just put everyone and everything together within a tier it didn’t even try finding “faier” matches for anyone. The only thing was working for the game is that EVERYONE played T3 ESB/NOVA/SYN/NASA?W.E. there were no T5, T4 was abnormally expensive. There was a competitive population and that was a population that squads up together and concentrated within a tier. If you think flying mk3 R6 vs mk2 R8s is bad, you don’t remember how hard it was back then advancing t2 into t3 if you do not have maxed out ships and solo, it was ten folds harder to fly r7s vs topped r9s in squads and it was even harder to farm loyalty and reputation at some point in lower ranked ships because they had penalty to loyalty and reputation gains if your ranks is 2-3 steps above the ship you fly.
Last I saw them, they had full Premium setups.
But I’m talking in general, because it’s not just ESB pulling it off, now. MANY more are doing it, nowadays. Guess since everyone found out how to abuse it, it’s time to cull it.
Last I saw them, they had full Premium setups.
But I’m talking in general, because it’s not just ESB pulling it off, now. MANY more are doing it, nowadays. Guess since everyone found out how to abuse it, it’s time to cull it.
a) It doesn’t have to be all premiums, mix of prem or all r8s will have the same result
b) define “abusing”
b) define “abusing”
= general 4 man squads are back in the same tier = they are not 2 tiers up anymore = ‘MM not working as intended’ mkay? lol
= general 4 man squads are back in the same tier = they are not 2 tiers up anymore = ‘MM not working as intended’ mkay? lol
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Please provide a link to where it says that 4x man squads are supposed to be pushed up by 2 tiers with Latest Matchmaking implementation
I think it has to do with those +2, or +4 or other kinds of plusses (++++++) that anything in every pilot counts when putting you in the queue. Lets say that flying T3’s the max points is 100. Even if their atributes go up to 22000 the MM will only consider the 100, because theres a rule that noone should fight 2 tiers up. The problem again, as in all problems with this game is population. The vets are staying in T3, or going to T2, but never UP because theres no incentive. I would NEVER move to T4 for example if ill have to be farm material to other ppl with purples and T5’s with my humbles MK1 modules (when i can afford to buy at least the right set of modules for each of the 4 hangar ships, and the ships itself).
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Please provide a link to where it says that 4x man squads are supposed to be pushed up by 2 tiers with Latest Matchmaking implementation
it is known as ‘/sarcasm’
Please provide a link to where it says that 4x man squads are supposed to be pushed up by 2 tiers with Latest Matchmaking implementation
1 Tier, 2 Tiers, who gives a f***, anyway… The fact is that they do NOT belong in the same Tier with the current MM mechanics. YET, THEY ARE! THIS is what we’re complaining about. R8s, R7s, Premiums, it doesn’t matter!
With the previous MM mechanics, 4-man squads COULD fight against 1 Tier higher pugs. Obviously, that was unbalanced to the pugs 90% of the time, which is why the current settings were implemented. Squad vs squad matchmaking is HIGHLY imbalanced as it is, but there’s room for improvement.
Well, a 4-man squad shouldn’t be pushed 2 tiers up, but at least 1 tier, and when they aren’t, there’s the abuse… But bad-sportmanship, throwing the towel, giving up matches and plenty of etc. ain’t “bad”, “wrong” or “abuse” neither, so it’s ok.
Anyway, I love the explanations whenever somebody complains about something that can be seen and experienced with ease inside the game, yet it’s denied, minimized or the subject is changed, it’s just like they’re peeing in our backs and telling us that’s raining. Simply magnificent.
1 Tier, 2 Tiers, who gives a f***, anyway… The fact is that they do NOT belong in the same Tier with the current MM mechanics. YET, THEY ARE! THIS is what we’re complaining about. R8s, R7s, Premiums, it doesn’t matter!
With the previous MM mechanics, 4-man squads COULD fight against 1 Tier higher pugs. Obviously, that was unbalanced to the pugs 90% of the time, which is why the current settings were implemented. Squad vs squad matchmaking is HIGHLY imbalanced as it is, but there’s room for improvement.
Well, a 4-man squad shouldn’t be pushed 2 tiers up, but at least 1 tier, and when they aren’t, there’s the abuse… But bad-sportmanship, throwing the towel, giving up matches and plenty of etc. ain’t “bad”, “wrong” or “abuse” neither, so it’s ok.
Anyway, I love the explanations whenever somebody complains about something that can be seen and experienced with ease inside the game, yet it’s denied, minimized or the subject is changed, it’s just like they’re peeing in our backs and telling us that’s raining. Simply magnificent.
Seriously, how many times do i have to repeat the same thing over and over? Do you have any common sense at all?
When you queue as a solo or as a group, no matter, you are queued up into a RANGE of ranks that are valid to be matched in the same game with you, so when you queue up as 4x R8s you are in the range of Queue that starts from R9-R10s as a lower edge and goes all the way to r11-r12 as a cut off.
Now the hard part, logic, you gotta think a little bit, so try your best, please. What if the higher cut off is non existent? And all there is only low mid range of players that are still valid for your game? What will happen then? Are you seriously unable to comprehend a simple fact like this?
This is a same thing as calling abuse on players that use most effective ships with most effective builds because they know simple math, obviously, if you try to kill them with xxxx tactics or simple lack of skill and understanding of the game with xxxx builds, THEY ARE CHEATING while you are perfectly fine. (for those that lack a common sense, it is a sarcasm)
a) It doesn’t have to be all premiums, mix of prem or all r8s will have the same result
b) define “abusing”
Abusing: Utilizing errors in the game for personal, squad, and/or corporate advantage.
Premiums have R9 module slots and implant capabilities but are treated as R8 by match maker. By using premium ships squads can stay in a populated tier verse under skilled pugs and dominate despite the four man squad penalty of match maker.
Abusing: Utilizing errors in the game for personal, squad, and/or corporate advantage.
Premiums have R9 module slots and implant capabilities but are treated as R8 by match maker. By using premium ships squads can stay in a populated tier verse under skilled pugs and dominate despite the four man squad penalty of match maker.
They will dominate in R8s as hard as in Premiums ships, and so will most of the players that knows how to fly and build to ships strengths.
And than EVERY single player that fly prem ships is Abusing a system and have no rights to call “abusing” on others, which leads to a conclusion that this is a 100% pay to win game.
It’s not if ESB does it, it’s if anyone does it with that intent. If the intent is to fool match maker, it’s abuse.
It’s not if ESB does it, it’s if anyone does it with that intent. If the intent is to fool match maker, it’s abuse.
You do understand that people fly 4x man R8s/Prems not to stay within a tier, but simply because that’s the only way to have 4x man squad reliably finding a game? If there were a t4 population they would most of the time fight r10-11s, if you queue as anything r9+ 4x man, god help you finding a game. Even in r8s it takes up to 15-20 minutes sometimes to find a game. What people are suppose to do outside of a SecCon?